MacEnroe is right, Federer isn't the best volleyer in the top 10.

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  1. norbac

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    I remember a simple forehand volley yesterday (or maybe in his first round match) that bounced on his side before getting over to the other side.....Fed was miserable today as well....
     
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  2. TeflonTom

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    nadz has the best drop-volley on tour. mac has a massive hardon for drop-volls so no wonder he sprogs all over nadz.

    nadz also is great at picking when to come to net. always approaches very smart - never comes to net unless he is in a dominant pos so he always hits very easy volleys. makes him look great

    technique wise tho i think fed and tsonga both have better hands at net generally. stick all 3 at net and pepper em with passes, nadz comes off a distant third

    fed and tsonga would both be pretty ave volleyers in any previous era tho. fact is atp players cant volley for ****
     
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  3. TheF1Bob

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    Djokovic top 5 for best overheads, no doubt.
     
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  4. TeflonTom

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    and karlovic has great serve

    relevance?
     
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    Delete...!
     
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    Delete. Rock it like this!
     
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  7. paulorenzo

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    agreed, have them play out a point when two players are both at net under neutral circumstances and nadal wouldn't do as well as the other two in that instance either.

    still, federer can learn a thing or two from nadal when it comes to approaching the net more intelligently.
     
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  8. Sid_Vicious

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    I agree with you. Federer is not among the greats when it comes to skills at the net. Before his match with Federer at Wimbledon 2001, Henman said that Federer was a solid volleyer but nothing compared to the likes of Rafter and Sampras.

    You know what's interesting? I was watching TTC's list of 100 greatest players, and when they got to Tony Roche on the countdown, many of Tony's peers like Laver and Newcombe praised Roche for his outstanding net game; Roger, who was coached by Roche in 2006-2007, said that Tony volleyed much better than him and helped him improve his volley technique. However, under Roche's coaching,Federer's net game got worse while his baseline game became amazing.
     
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  9. fhdowntheline

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    To my mind, NONE of the top ten players today come up to the net as part of their PRIMARY play. It is often a chanced approach based on a good FH/BH from baseline or mid court. In case of Mac, Edberg and Becker and (to a good degree) Sampras, the volley was their PRIMARY shot after the serve..There is simply no comparision..
     
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    yeah i saw that, guess that's what happens when one doesn't hit a good approach shot coming into the net. they get passed, and rafa is no different.

    to nadal's credit he was trying to hit his approach behind rosol by hitting down the middle. to rosol's credit, he has great presence of mind to not commit to a side before the opponent's approach is hit.
     
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  11. TeflonTom

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    edberg, prolly. mac, maybe - he still played a lotta backcourt esp off grass. others - no, or perhaps only in wimby service games

    sampras and boom boom both relied on their fh way more than their volls. if they had an off day with volls then they would be okay coz their serve set up easy putaways most of the time
     
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  12. anantak2k

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    BELLUCCI is absolutely the greatest vollleyer in the game today!
     
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  13. KineticChain

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    The guy has one bad day volleying and this thread pops up. Never change TT... never change.
     
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  16. Nathaniel_Near

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    Suggesting that Nadal's volleys are the best in the top 10 is borderline disgraceful, lolz.
     
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  17. Tennis_Bum

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    Agreed. Just because Johny Mac said so, didn't mean it was true. Nadal usually came to the net to put away weak replies. Whereas, Fed was trying to force issues. It is a lot easier to make put-away volleys on weak replies.

    Still, I think Fed volleys can be better but he's getting older and slower too and his approach shots are not penetrating and/or deep as they were so that make him work harder and the net and sometimes make him look like Roddick. Sad but true.
     
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    well but you can't take 1 sample and use it as a standard. It's like taking Fed's forehand when it's off and saying that he can't hit a proper forehand these days
     
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  20. Swissv2

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    I love how you all are arguing about this like children, yet no one has any stats to show. Well, continue arguing, monkeys. I will continue laughing at this thread.
     
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  21. *Val*

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    lol Tsonga's a way better volleyer than Rafa... Djoker is probably better too
     
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    Especially when the experts could possibly be a 12 year old or a weekend hack with a beer gut and garage sale racquets.
     
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  23. mcenroefan

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    Agreed. Tsonga has great hands and Nole is a very good volleyer by today's standards. Nole closes very well, hits the standard low and high volleys well and hits some great drop volleys.

    Fed has pretty volleys and pulls off some miracles but he muffs his fair share of easy ones. A number of players have better instincts on closing to the net to make the resulting volleys easier. Fed puts himself in bad position at the net too often and also tends to over-slice the volley at times (instead of a more simple punch).

    I will say that Fed's overhead has improved considerably in the past several years and that he has one of the best, if not the best, backhand smashes in the game (probably because he uses his wrist better than anyone in the game).
     
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  24. dennis10is

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    Federer doesn't deserve to benefit from the wisdom of the TT boards.
     
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  25. big_bill

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    Federer's volley is average at best.
     
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  26. Bobby Jr

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    Federer showed yesterday in his match with Malisse that his volleys are much better than Nadal's. He did a pile of kamikaze approaches and still won most of the points.

    Nadal almost exclusively hits volleys which come off desperate running shots from his opponents. If he was hitting volleys where his opponent was steady and had plenty of time you'd see how average he really is.
     
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    hahahahahahahahaha


    dumbass.
     
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  28. egn

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    Tsonga.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0iKmRkgbA

    Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Fed and Nadal are equal in volleying skills. Federer however is far more comfortable there, hence why he approaches a lot. Nadal approaches only if he feels he will win the point there. Federer will actually go to construct a point.

    The argument that percentage is evidence of volley skill is stupid. Sampras was a lot of times in the 55-65 range at the net. It's not because he was a bad volleyer, its because his game involved net play. If you try for more volleys you have more chances to look silly on some, and go for much harder volleys.
     
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  31. TigerTim

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    Federer was a great volley back in the day, still is. I was at Wimbledon to see Henman vs. Fed and Fed attacked the net on serve most of the time. And most of the time was successful. He's not as good as McEnroe etc obviously but it is a good component of his game. As for Nadal.............
     
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  32. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Mac is smoking dope sometimes (or a lot of times, depending on how you call it)! Don't put too much weight in his comments! Usually I split his comments in half. Toss away 1/2, split the remaining 1/2 in another 2 parts. Toss away the new 1/2 (now 1/4 from the beginning if you follow me), and split the new 1/2 in another 2 parts. Repeat until you're satisfied:)
    Seriously, Fed volleys are as good as anyone's. The problem is for a number of years, he neglected that part of his game. Kinda of why bother if you can blast winners from the baseline, you know? Although now as he ages, perhaps Annacone and Fed himself realize that it's best to keep the points short against all those youngster ball-bashing baseliners. Kind of not letting them impose their baseline rhythm. IMO.
     
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  33. Dreamcastin

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    I have to agree that saying nadal is a better volleyer is laughable at best. I also agree with the other poster, that Tsonga is the best in the top 10 right now.
     
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  34. Gangsta

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    ^ It might be too strong a statement to make, but not laughable by any means. You can only go by what you see. The fact that Nadal does end up making a higher percentage of volleys is a testament to his skills. If you ask me whether 90% of 10 approaches is better than 60% of 30, I'd have to say yes.
     
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    ****s are breaking their own logic of "quality", does quality matter or not?
     
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    Sampras rarely bricked volleys the way Federer does almost routinely at times. As I've stated before, Federer's overall "allcourt" game is severely overrated.
     
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  37. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    Federer has lost a great deal of ability on his volleys due to his mind more than anything. Ever since AO 08, he always doubts himself. You can almost see a hesitation in his movement from time to time. If they had a tennis skills competition like they do for the NFL Pro Bowl, I would only take Tsonga over Federer out of current players. Nadal makes most of his volleys but they aren't very challenging ones.
     
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  38. Alchemy-Z

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    Mac says a lot of dumb stuff...but I will not challenge his assessment of volleys. He would know best
     
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