Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tennis_pro, Jun 21, 2011.
Is he the last man standing who had his major success on grass?
There is a guy called Federer...
He can't be much of one if he can't get out of the first round at Wimbledon.
Watch out for Raonic in the years to come, He will spoil the parties, He is the one I'm gonna pick to win next year, even though this year he can still go far and may as well take Nadal out.
the definition of grass specialist is someone who only has good results on grass & does virtually nothing anywhere else. fed really doesn't qualify.
someone like mahut does(queens final, newport final)
or say alexander popp.
so I guess Nadal isn't a clay court specialist.
Karol Beck has his best results on grass as does Oli Rochus, arguably Karlovics best surface.
^not many specialists of any kind today, most do well on all surfaces.
I remember the years it was a rare to have just one player make the qf at the french & wimbledon in the same year(or the french & uso in the same year)
it was almost like there were different tours.
now it will be a major surprise if we don't have the same semi lineup as the french at wimbledon this year. so weird, still can't get used to how predictable men's tennis has become.
If there aren't surface specialists anymore, its because the tennis powers have decided it wasn't desirable and have manipulated it their way. Players don't have much choice, whatever their natural gamestyle and talent was, they can only do whatever they can to win, which is to say whatever game works best under these present bland and blended almost same surfaces and conditions where the QFs and SFs are therefore almost always the same people, irrespective of surface. If you think about it, the Isner/Mahut match (today) is pretty ridiculous, seeing their respective strengths and weaknesses and playing styles.
As for Mahut, to h@ll with it, he's going to serve volley every point because he likes to.
Yeh he may as well. I mean if it's not too out of his way or anything. If he can be bothered. May as well.
I think they just call Nadal a "Natural surface" specialist
he's 0-2 vs Isner @ wimbledon
I'd love to see what Mahut could do on the fast grass of the 90's...and if he could stay healthy. As soon as I got a look at his knee today, I knew he didn't have a chance in this one.
Daniele Bracciali was sort of a 'grass specialist'. Nowadays he only plays doubles, which is a shame. It is so rare to find a player that actually thought HIS FAVOURITE SURFACE is grass.
I think they just call him a tennis specialist.
I was surprised to see Arnaud Clement is 3 or 4 on tour with most grass court wins
Llodra is an amazing indoor player. I dont know why but there seem to be a lot of players that play better indoors. Its crazy.
>mfw a grass court specialist loses 1st round at Wimbledon two years in a row
A "grass court specialist" doesn't mean "an elite grass court player." Just that he's really only any kind of threat on grass, which is true, as he hasn't done anything anywhere else. It's like how, say, Jose Acasuso is a clay court specialist. He was never a big force at the French Open, per se, but he was a dangerous, under-the-radar player on that surface.
However, he had championship point against Roddick in 2007 Queen's, reached the 3rd round of Wimbledon in 2006, losing to Federer (and he was the only guy besides Nadal to force Federer to play a tiebreak in a set that tournament), he was a Wimbledon juniors champion, and his game is suited for grass.
He definitely has the talent to do a R16 or QF at Wimbledon. Whether he has the durability or the mental toughness is another question.
Grass or clay court specialists do not really exist anymore. Surfaces, balls, strings and styles have all merged.
Remember Paul Chamberlain? Chip Hooper. Eric Korita? Richard Matuszewski? Tim Mayotte? Kevin Curren? Chris Lewis? Vlad Voltchkov of Belarus? These guys salivated when it was grass season. I think Henman, Flipper and Roddick liked the old grass and the livelier ball, too.
Now, maybe you could say Llodra, Mahut and a few others. But it is no longer in anyone's interest to be a grass court specialist.
he was very entertaining in that roddick wimbledon match from a few years back.
Some of who prefer grass courts the most and other names I see only during grass season:
Mahut, Brown, Benjamin Becker, Kohlschreiber, Lu, Lopez, Petzschner, Baghdatis, Haas, Tursunov, Grosjean, Malisse, Muller, Ancic, Stepanek, Llodra, Roger-Vasselin, Istomin, Darcis, Stakhovsky, Sijsling, Ward, Schuettler, Clement, Dolgopolov, Florian Mayer
Randomly put. Not even sure if all of them are playing currently.
Didnt know he preferred faster surfaces. I should probably add him to my list!
Don't worry guys, I'll come on tour in a few years and only play grass court tournaments and boycott every other surface. Someone has to keep the tradition alive. And no, Federer and Raonic ate not grass court specialists. They are attackers don't meet rush is the same way guys like Mahut and Ram do.
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Agree mostly, but Kolschreiber and Haas are all-surfaces players, and Baghdatis's and Dolgopolov's best surface is probably hard.
Agree about Kohlschreiber and Haas. They have got slightly better win % on grass, so may be justifies my placement. Same for Baghdatis and Dolgopolov. They are very close on both surfaces.
Of course Mahut is the only remaining grass court specialist in the men's game. Never mind he's never come close to winning Wimbledon. Oh yeah, and what about whazzhisname... the dude that has won 7 Wimbledon's?
In any case, Stepanek is the only guy who plays old school grass tennis.
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