mains/crosses breaks, can I keep the other?

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  1. tlm

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    hey vegasg, i really dont think there is much difference if you just changed the crosses. But i would suggest you cut the strings out + start over doing the whole racquet, the practice will help you get better at stringing.
     
  2. kimbahpnam

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    When breaking a string, is it best to cut out all ASAP or is it okay to leave it like that for a couple days before it can be restrung? Is it worth it to carry around string cutters just in case a string breaks?
     
  3. YULitle

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    It's best to cut them out ASAP. But, if you want your stringer to see where it broke to possibly suggest a solution to extend the life of the strings, this is ok.
     
  4. ey039524

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    How much extra stress on the frame would you place if you:
    1) clamped off the second cross from the top;
    2) then cut the first cross;
    3) restrung the first cross; and
    4) worked your way down to the throat in this manner so that the frame only had one cross unstrung at a time?

    This doesn't seem any worse than breaking a string. When I used multifilaments in the crosses, they used to fray and break before my mains.

    I don't plan on trying this because I'm not cheap enough, but if I had VS gut mains, I might understand why someone would.
     
  5. paperduetoday

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    No, mainly because it will twist your frame.
    USTA stringer told me this.
    When you leave either the main or cross on without the other string, the racquet will have too mch tension on only two areas instead of uniform all over the racquet.

    THINK OF IT THIS WAY.. DROP 50 LB PLATE ON YOUR TOES. OR DROP 5 10 LBS all OVER YOUR LEG.
     
  6. asintu

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    i personally don't think why it's not advisable to do this.
    for example, I had full gut , i clamped the racket in the 6 point mounting system, cut out the crosses and put a poly instead. i don't see the problem.
     
  7. YULitle

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    As it's been said countless times before: just because you can't "see" problems, doesn't mean they aren't there.
     
  8. asintu

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    conversely, just because u think there's problems, doesn't mean that they are there
     
  9. Mansewerz

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    So it's a bad idea to just cut out crosses/mains even if they don't break?

    I was wondering if I could cut out the crosses of my bro's full pro redcode setup and replace the crosses with syn. gut.
     
  10. Zhou

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    Same thing, bad idea.

    Cutting out your strings is just like breaking them. If you want to do that, you need to redo the entire stringjob, not just the crosses.
     
  11. Steve Huff

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    Can someone make this thread die and go away?
     
  12. YULitle

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    Hahhahhaa. It was stickied when I started posting earlier this year I think. It comes up a lot, is what they said. I think that a lot of topics like this come up a lot. We don't sticky those... Like, "how bad is a misweave?", "is it possible to automate stringing?", "what are the benefits of lower tension?", etc...
     
  13. SOY78

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    Because I am cheap, l I actually did taboo according to this thread. I had some German Gut in the mains and some syn. gut in the crosses. I couldn't control any of my shots with this setup so I put my rackets on the stringing machine and cut out just the crosses and right away I strung some CF crosses and it made a huge difference on my shots going inside the baseline, before the taboo restringing my shots were landing in the back fence. I swear this will be the first and last time I string like this.
     
  14. jiericji

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    well the thing is when you use expensive strings, sometimes it really matters. idk i guess you could argue that if you cant afford the strings, dont use them but what the heck:):):)
     
  15. 5263

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    Breaking them has to be worse than cutting them out once mounted securely in the stringer.
     
  16. madayan

    madayan New User

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    To TLM

    What type of machine do you use? Also, do you think it's possible to string just the x's on a basic stringing machine (think klippermate or Gamma X-2)?


    Thanks.
     
  17. Bud

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    Cross-only Replacement

    I've also performed cross-only replacement a number of times on my own racquets (with gut mains). The racquet plays much better, IMO when the gut is nicely broken in. My most recent transplant involved replacing kevlar crosses with gut crosses. The kevlar crosses felt horrible with gut mains and I saw no sense in wasting a virtually new set of gut mains.

    It's amazing the number of people in this thread (and on this board) who profess and claim certain things with absolutely no personal experience. I think this is because they primarily string for customers. If I was stringing a customer's racquet... I'd never replace the crosses (only), unless they specifically requested it.
     
  18. v205

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    Isn't a 2 piece strung from main first and then crosses?

    By cutting out cross from the centre in this order: assuming 16x18

    17
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    .
    3
    1
    2
    4
    .
    .
    18

    And then restring the cross as if the main had just been completed.

    I wouldn't recommend this to be a regular practice, however, I'm in the process of trying diff strings to find a cross to match a main and this would be ideal. Or maybe someone was unlucky to break the cross quickly for some reason and the main is still in very decent condition. ie. natural gut main users with synth crosses.

    * Also, this would be more practical for rackets with no shared holes.
     
  19. MuscleWeave

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    Pro stringers advised us against this practice in earier threads.

    The problem is that when your crosses are removed, the face of the racquet becomes a bit more round, because the racquet has no pull inwards from the sides. Installing new crosses doesn't solve that problem. Over time, you will be playing with a deformed racquet. Early on, the feel of how the racquet plays will be inconsistent. And it's more likely to break at any time. Just to save $5 worth of poly each time?
     
  20. airman88

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    You can combat this by mounting the racket on your stringing machine before you cut out the string to maintain the shape. Though I do agree it isn't worth taking the chance.
     
  21. MuscleWeave

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    Even then, the shape you maintain will not be the original shape, especially over time.

    MW
     
  22. jk175d

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    Just to add my 2c to the matter...

    There are many debates over this subject. Most people are adament that you should never do this. However there is a vocal minority who say they have done this for years with no problems.

    I too had reason to want to just change the crosses and not the mains. (trying out a new frame and still experimenting with strings/tension, like my mains still working on dialing in the crosses) So I went ahead and did it. Worked out great for me! Two things I did though, the 1st is no doubt very important: mount your raqcuet on the stringer firmly before cutting out the crosses! The other thing is the mains definitely will have less tension than the first time you strung them, so to compensate I ratcheted up the tension on the crosses by 2 or 3 lbs.

    Might be a different story if you break a cross and therefore can't mount the frame before making the tension all uneven. But if you are experimenting with cross strings for a hybrid, I say go for it! ....carefully
     
  23. diredesire

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    It's fine (to me) if you want to do this, but for the exact reason you state, you run a higher risk of distorting your frame AFTER stringing. If you take a look at tension loss data, you'll notice that you lose ~10% tension overnight, and a steady (but less exaggerated) decrease over the life of the strings. Lets say you've lost 20% of your tension of the string job, then you cut out your crosses and then string with an INCREASED tension... the differential is presumably in the 30-40% range at that point... do you at least see why it's discouraged? You could warp the head of your frame (more oval)
     
  24. Rafa'sWatch

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    This all sounds very risky to a newb stringer. But if one was to do this with the x's where would one start, I saw a comment earlier saying to start in the middle of the crosses and not the top of the racket. Also when you do a natural gut main and syn x's how long does each string typically last? ps. I just ordered a stringway stringer, can't wait to start stringing.
     

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