Mamba Premium Natural Gut - Review

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  1. jim e

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    Exactly
    VS gut 16g. has a limit of 32kg. which is just over 70lbs. I have yet to see a cheap gut able to take high tensions as such, as a quality gut being strung at high tensions allows for increased control and plays very well at high tensions.

    This is why a gut is not a gut, as there are differences.

    I have strung VS and Wilson nat gut at mid to high 60 lb ranges many times over not only for me but many clients as well, with no issues.You basically get what you pay for with Nat. Gut.
     
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    That is true, but for people who doesn't play at 65lbs and above, it may not matter as much?
     
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    Does that mean that Mamba can be strung at 64lbs? or 63, or 62??
     
  4. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Higher tension, satisfied?

    That means MPNG (cannot?) should not be strung at 57lbs, 58lbs, 59lbs, 60lbs, 61lbs, 62lbs, 63lbs, 64lbs, and certainly not at 65lbs, 66lbs, 67lbs, 68lbs, 69lbs. And most certainly not at my previous tension of syn gut 70lbs.
     
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    It's not an argumentative point. Jim is saying that a full gut job is really better at 60 or higher. It's just how it is, and why people still use full gut. Ideally for a full gut job you want to string over 60 pounds to really bring out the positive qualities of the string.
     
  6. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah, and I'm saying for people who don't string at a higher gut tension, they may not see the benefits of brand name gut.

    Econogut does annoy me though, especially when they start unraveling pre-maturely.
     
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    I have a feeling that the supra will come back and be more $$..so you will spend like $5 more for Pacific classic..IMO a much better option. That being said, I think the Supra is doing a fine job for me once I get it strung at a lower tension.
     
  8. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    It's on my mind to try brand name gut. Namely Klip Legend or Pacific Classic. But I'm holding back because MOST of the time, econogut strings fine, plays fine for me, and I don't exceed econogut's recommended tension limit. So, I don't know if I can justify spending the extra $ on brand name gut.

    BUT, if I have anymore pre-mature explosion because of unraveling gut, I will try brand name gut. I'm not exactly saving money if the gut snaps at odd places under 10 hours WITH string savers..
     
  9. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    MPNG 16/Tecnifibre X-Code 17, 15+ hours, #!$#^%$!$%!!!!!!!!!

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    Tecnifibre X-Code 17 as a cross is disappointing on various fronts, I was mad weaving them, and I stay mad playing with them:

    1) It's $16 a pack. I'm glad I only got half a set at a cheaper price. Because I don't know who in their right mind would spend $16 on a set of (crap) polyester.

    2) It doesn't string on well. The coating has a texture consistent with semi-dry paint. It's rubbery, almost sticky to touch. Imagine what that's like when you're weaving the crosses on gut.

    3) The semi-dry paint/rubbery coating doesn't seem to facility the sliding and the snap-back of the gut mains. It doesn't take a lot of strokes for the mains to get all bent out of shape. It's almost as if the rubbery coating is "trapping" the mains in place.

    4) It frays like a cat would lose fur.

    5) It actually plays less stiff/softer once the sweet spot starts fraying. I'm telling you, the coating absolutely kills the strings.

    6) Probably the most important point. The premise of the Tecnifibre X-Code is to bridge the gap of multifilament and polyester: providing the softness/arm safety/comfort of a multifilament construction with polyester playability. But it fails miserably. It's soft but it's not the softest by far. Polystar Energy and MSV Co-Focus are both softer and they're half the price.

    7) Lastly, it retails at a ridiculous $16!!! :shock:

    This is seriously one of the worse strings you can buy from a economical and performance standpoint. That stupid coating ruined the strings. It doesn't do anything a polyester is supposed to do from my experience. It does one thing that's just OK: being soft. But it's not even that sof. There are a ton of strings that'll fulfill that requirement and less expensive too.

    It does have a good function. If you ever want to know where your sweet spot is, these strings will tell you. But then again, you can get Tecnifibre E-Matrix for $5 for that purpose.
     
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  10. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    MPNG 16/MSV Co-Focus 1.18, ~5 hours

    Someone made a request for the pictures of the MSV Co-Focus, here they are:

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    I have already commented on how they play. But to sum up, in this hybrid, MSV Co-Focus 1.18 plays as soft as Polystar Energy 17, but adds a little bit of crispness.

    And I absolutely love them.

    Side note, this time around, they were surprisingly easy to weave. :confused: I don't know what to tell you. Last time it was a nightmare but this time they were easy. Probably has something to do with the inconsistent coating of the MPNG.
     
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    I just tried a full bed of Klip Legend today at a one hour practice session. Wow! This stuff is sweet. It will be awfully hard for me to go back to multis. Even if my gut/poly experiments don't work out, full gut is an amazingly good option. The spin is not as extreme as gut/poly, but the feel and dwell time make up for it. It's almost like I'm using a lacrosse stick and placing the ball where I want.

    The only negatives are a bit of a surprise. According to RacquetTune the tension loss was about 11% after only 3 days of sitting around and 1 hour of tennis. Prince Premier Attack lost only 10.3% tension after 14 hours of tennis over a 16 day period! I also notice a little fraying after only one hour. It's hard for me to imagine that this string will last longer than the most durable multifilaments. I certainly hope it does.
     
  12. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Oh I'm looking into Klip Legend. Because of quality control, and the availability of 15 gauge!

    When I was using the Gaucho stuff, I was using 15L and I loved the lower power, the added durability was a bonus too. To me, the less power I can get out of the frame, the better it is. I will certainly try Klip Legend 15 soon.

    Yeah, Klip is more expensive than econogut, but the added durability of 15 gauge should make up for it.
     
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    I think you should consider moving your string savers' position. They are near sweetspots, where the balls strike the most, so you don't want to increase sliding friction at that spot with string savers. That's why the mains in your rackets are not straight. The strings are not sliding back giving you the extra spins after hitting the ball, also it'll also make your topspins inconsistent.

    I would recommend doing what Federer does, string savers at 4 and 6 cross and spaced out. That setup increase the tension in the strike zone, making the string slide back faster when strike high in sweetspot. Make those balls dip in on a running forehand or backhand.
     
  14. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I think the gut mains are not sliding back because of the rubbery/sticky coating of the X-Code. I haven't had this problem with other polyester crosses. The more X-Code frays, the better the stringbed plays.

    Federer uses string savers? I didn't know that. But I'm not using the string savers to increase the tension. I'm using it to prolong my stringbed. If I want a higher tension, I'll string them higher. But I can kind of see how that would work.
     
  15. 2Hare

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    Both of your pics above shown some really "off" mains. Mines are totally straight and I have the same rackets and similar setups, so just make me itching to straighten those mains for you haha. You might want to put some lubricants on them to make them slide easier. But definitely take those stringsavers off. Put them in only when a particular string is unravelling.

    Just increasing the tension doesn't work the same way as string savers. It's kind of like fingers on a guitar string. It changes the characteristics of the stringbed in ways that's just hard to describe. It just give it extra spin when hit in the right zones, make those forehands dip just right!
     
  16. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I don't need to change the characteristic of my stringbed and I don't need to increase the tension. I just need my gut to last longer. I'll rely on my strokes to make those forehands dip just right.
     
  17. 2Hare

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    I see. After trying the setup for years, here's what I found that would make mine last longer.

    What I do is that I coat the gut strings with baby oil first for hours. Gut drying out is as bad as wet gut as it makes the gut brittle.

    Then wipe off the excess off the strings and coat the strings with babolat's thermogut wax.

    After the wax dries, apply some lotion/vasaline/Finger ease to decrease the sliding friction as friction notches your gut.

    Reapply if necessary after a hitting session. That help me cheap guts to last longer! Good luck! :)
     
  18. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    ~30 hours, gone!

    So the Tecnifibre X-Code finally snapped at about 30 hours, with string savers.

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    At $16 retail, far from worthwhile.
     
  19. filphil

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    I wish mamba could get the supplier issues resolved. It's too inexpensive to not give a try.
     
  20. LanEvo

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    Anyone try a full setup? All I am seeing are gut/poly setups.
     
  21. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I think I am done with econogut :(

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    Less than 10hours.

    As you can see, the gut is shredding/unraveling on multiple mains. It's really annoying and in a way, a waste of money because I'm nowhere near popping these gut. They're just shredding away and eventually break away, not a clean snap.

    This is the 2nd example I'm showing pictures of. However, virtually every single sets of MPNG had shredding/unraveling issue. Quality control aside, I think another contributing factor is the excessive dryness of these gut.

    On a clean set (with the Tecnifibre X-Code), I had 30+ hours until the crosses gave out. But from my sample size of ~ 8 half sets, 1/8 isn't exactly high %.

    They play good, far better than what they're charging you. But they just can't stay on the racquet long enough. And when they go, I can't help but to feel I didn't actually pop them. They just broke down on their own (pre-maturely I might add).

    I think I will go and try Klip Legend when I need to buy gut again.
     
  22. TenFanLA

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    If I can get 10 hours out of ANY gut, VS, Pacific, MPNG, etc., I'd be happy. I don't know how people can get 20, 30 hours out of gut mains. Maybe they hit flat??? In any case have you tried applying baby oil to keep the moisture in? I've tried it with VS Team and I got extra ~2 hours before breaking it.
     
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    Klip was to stiff for me. PMaxx 17 Wisper Touch feels great. I have some Mamba on order and Ray said it should ship Tuesday.
     
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    Dude you should never put stringsavers side by side. It creates so much local tension it will just kill the strings. Give them at least 1 space.
     
  25. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Thanks, now I know. But how though? How does it work?
     
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    hmm, space them out so 1 saver, space, 1 saver. then go up or down two crosses, move one main over, then repeat the pattern.

    Try googling Federer string savers. His pattern is pretty good.
     
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  27. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Right, but I want to know how and why this is "better" for the strings. I'm not going to do something I can't understand.
     
  28. 2Hare

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    well, it will create a more distributed local tension/stiffness increase. When you put a stringsaver in a stringbed, the area around the saver is increased in tension and stiffness. So they will wear out faster than usual. That's why if you put a string saver near your strike zone, the spot with the string saver would be fine, but area around it will notches faster than usual.
     
  29. UCSF2012

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    String savers displace the mains from crosses. Instead of the mains physically touching the crosses, the string savers wedge them apart by a fraction of a millimeter. When you pull on a string, it increases the tension (ex. when you pull the twine on a bow to shoot an arrow, the tension on the twine increases).

    Thus, string savers increase the string tension by pulling on them sideways. The more savers you put on a tennis string, the higher the tension. By putting that many string savers on 1 string, you probably increased the tension on that particular string by 20lbs (a guess).
     
  30. UCSF2012

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    As a side note, see how the gut strings that are unraveling are also strings with 2 string savers? You inadvertently increased the tension on those select mains by adding string savers, so those strings are starting to snap under tension.
     
  31. TenFanLA

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    Anybody play with MPNG Black and Natural? Any difference besides color?
     
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    It just came out a few days ago. Give it some time and someone will chime in.
     
  33. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Thanks UCSF, that made sense. I'll make the adjustment and what's good.

    I just got my batch of MPNG 16 in black. However, the package says Supra Natural Gut 16, so I don't know what's going on there. :confused:

    Regardless, I should be able to post a review later tonight.
     
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    How does it feel and string up compared to MPNG Natural? The gauge about the same?
     
  35. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'll tell you in a hour or two. There's nothing like stringing a tennis racquet and watching Scrubs on TV. :)
     
  36. filphil

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    Best show ever.
     
  37. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    ?MPNG 16? Black stringing impressions...

    Indeed! Even season 9 was worthwhile! I miss Ted...

    So, I just finished stringing up the supposedly black version of MPNG 16. Again I'm slightly confused because the package reads "Supra Natural Gut 16". Also, if I'm not allowed to play with it, the stringing process alone tells me it's a different string than MPNG. Here's why:

    1) I pre-stretch everything aside from polyester strings. A simple yank around the doorknob tells me this string has WAY LESS "give" than the natural version of MPNG. With the natural version, I could take a step or two back during the pre-stretch. With the black version, I held my ground like taking an offensive foul.

    2) The black version is far easier to string than the natural version. Looks like Mamba listened to mine and others criticisms of the gut being excessively dry, well no more! It feels very soft at hands and didn't kink. Finally, I did not have to lotion up the strings to tie knots.

    HOWEVER, all is not well. Maybe I pulled out a bad half-set, but there was a lot fraying/unraveling. The good thing is, most of them occurred on the ends of the strings (away from the sweetspot).

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  38. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    ?MPNG 16? Black/MSV Co-Focus 1.18 White

    Also, the black gut and white Co-Focus looks dynamite on my BLX90! :twisted:

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    That doesn't look too well. I really want to give the budget gut a try but I probably won't with the luck I've had on my set of supra and the look of the black gut unraveling.
     
  40. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Also, it looks like the black stuff will wear off over time, and most likely mark tennis balls and turn them into tiger balls.

    I was waxing the strings with my leftover car wax, and it stained the application pad a bit.

    Yes, I use car wax to seal and protect the strings from moisture. In case anyone is wondering, I use Meguiar's NXT wax to seal the gut. Works great and I don't notice a change in playability/durability in waxed and unwaxed sets.
     
  41. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Played the black version last night and it plays GREAT! I almost want to say it's even softer, and pockets the ball better than the natural version.

    In the ~ 1 hour and a half of hitting, there was hardly any string movements. I think it has something to do with slicker surface of the black version. If you guys have been keeping up with this thread, the natural version was very dry and it just gets "stuck".
     
  42. filphil

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    I wanted to string at above 60 for the premium gut... but...

    From ray -
    "We recommend no higher than 56, but let us know how it goes."
     
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    Hi Say Chin,

    Which one would you say is the most powerful: MPNG black, MPNG natural, or the Supra gut? And roughly by how much? Thanx.

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    I was just stringing the black premium natural gut, and it broke when i was doing my third main.:cry: I did see a little tear on the string when i tension it.
     
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    Thanks for the review

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  46. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I've never played with the Supra gut, so I can't comment on it.

    It's really hard to say which one is more powerful, both versions are neck and neck. But if I have to pick, the natural is ever so slightly more powerful.
     
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    MPNG (natural) was so dry and stiff. after reading some comments on this thread about spraying silicone spray on the gut. all i can say is wow. it produces a lot of spin where my opponents says my shots were so heavy and spinny.
     
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    Today i played with my first natural gut string (mamba premium natural gut).It was strung a 54lb (which is what they recommended) and i hated it.I think it is because i have always been a full poly user,rmp blast,luxilon alu rough , then later switch to bhbr 16g at 55lb.

    I use a blx six one 95 16x18 with a semi west forehand ,which is more closer to western.
    The first two ball i hit during the warm up go straight down to the net. I feel that the string can not grab the ball at all.
    I think the string is too soft.

    After 5 min of playing the worst tennis i ever play in a while, i drop the stick and pick up another racquet which has a bhbr that i strung two month ago.
     
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    I hate to hit ground stroke with the the full mamba premium gut, but it is a beast for serving , and has really good feel for volley.
    Once i got home, i cutted off the cross and restrung the cross with bhbr16g. I hope i can play better with it tmr.
     
  50. TenFanLA

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    Going from full poly to full gut is drastic. It is not surprising you hated it. I think gut/poly will give you a better balance of power/spin/control/feel/comfort.
     

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