Mamba Premium Natural Gut - Review

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  1. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    You know you're not supposed to string JUST the crosses, or JUST the mains right? It's not the best for the frame.
     
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    yea, i know its not so good for the frame, but i just dont want to cut out the full bed after 5min :-?
     
  3. jk175d

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    It's not a problem, many people do this regularly without problems. You should be sure to have the frame securely clamped on the machine before cutting out the crosses though.
     
  4. tomseek

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    I agree with this. I do this all the times and have seen no ill effects to my racquets. I must have done this more than 50 times already. One set of my guts will last several CoPoly restrings. I bought a reel of MSV CoFocus and each restring, being only a half set, costs me less than $3. Every 4-5 restrings, I put in either a half set of Pacific Classic at $15 or a half set of Mamba Supra at $11. My arm thanks me for this.

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  5. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Aside from the unnecessary stress on the frame, the stringbed won't be consistent. It won't have the tension of a freshly strung string, gut or not.

    The "half" string job won't have the same tension of a fresh string job. You can't re-pull strings that are already on the frame.
     
  6. UCSF2012

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    Except the stringbed doesn't have to be consistent. It plays nearly the same as a freshly strung frame. When you string up a fresh set on the mains, pluck the strings, and you'll hear that they're different pitches. Even a fresh string job isn't consistent. I'm on my third or fourth poly crosses now, and it practically plays like the first poly set. With the amount of money saved from restringing only the poly crosses, you can buy 3-4 new rackets.
     
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    It doesn't sound the same because the mains are different lengths, not because of inconsistent tension. Quite the opposite. If they all sounded the same, only the pairs of mains would be the same, such as the first two mains, the two second mains, etc. would be the same tension.
     
  8. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I doubt we can ever agree upon something as habitual and unscientific as stringing methods. I bet we can get a 30page thread on knots.

    Let's get back to the strings themselves.

    I'm really interested in hearing people's opinions who have order Mamba's latest batch of MPNG but in the natural version.

    Pre-mature shredding and fraying are unfortunate drawbacks of "econo" gut, sometimes you'll get a perfectly clean set and sometimes you won't. However, the latest batch of black gut strings superior compared to the previous natural version. I also think they play slightly softer than the previous natural version.

    I want to isolate the cause of the change. Is it the result of the "black process"? Or is it because the latest batch are of higher quality.

    Thanks!
     
  9. levy1

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    No problem if you remount the racket in the machine before you cut out the crosses. You can do it over and over as I do when playing with gut and poly crosses.
     
  10. levy1

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    I just received my natural gut. Silver package was open. I have to figure where to string it at so it will be a minute as I am in the middle to testing two rackets.
     
  11. levy1

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    I am doing the same, PMaxx natural gut with MSV Hex, no problems at all.
     
  12. UCSF2012

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    I've taken music theory and physics. I know how to compute the expected pitch based on length and tension. (after digging through a ton of old textbooks, of course)

    String up the mains, pluck center out, and the pitches are all over the place. No real pattern at all. String tensioning isn't an orderly craft where you could get a consistent stringbed to begin with. Too many sources of tension loss.
     
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  13. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I just got back from another night of ball pounding, 3/4 of the night was spend on volleying.

    I am really happy with this batch of MPNG. "Black process" or not, not only do they string a lot better, they PLAY a lot better. Playability to me is soft, comfortable, good ball pocketing, feel.

    In every way possible, the latest batch MPNG (black) is the superior to the previous batch.

    On a side note, I had a racquet strung with a full bed of Tecnifiber XR1 17. I don't understand why these cost as much as $12. They were comfortable, but felt terribly stiff. If you like to hit with a frying pan, get these strings. Maybe I'm used to gut/poly hybrids, but even compared to my go-to multifilament: Head RIP Control, the Tecnifiber XR1 17 disappointed me.
     
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  14. jk175d

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    so you're saying the you bought the exact same string and it was vastly different than the last time you bought the same string? That would be reason enough for me to stay away. You're not going to be saving any money over the more premium brands over the long run if you can trust QC and consistant feel/performance so what's the point?
     
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    What is the highest you guys strung with this string?
    I only strung it twice , both are 55, the first time is fullbed,and the second one is hybrid it with bhbr16g cross(the only poly i have:-?)

    I want to strung it fullbed at 60, and dont know would it work or not.
     
  16. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yep, that's pretty much what I'm saying. It's not a BIG deal to me. As long as I get the softness, comfort, and feel from any gut, I'm happy. I'm not a picky gut user (yet). At $15, I'm not complaining.

    I have not strung these at 60lbs yet.
     
  17. MambaT

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    Shall we not improve our products in order to maintain consistent quality? :)
     
  18. UCSF2012

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    I'm at 58 for the first test batch. Will try 60 once I know how it handles 58 on a 6.1 95.

    There appears to be some clear coating on the Premium Gut, so the string isn't "dry" as others have noted. But I've never used Mamba before this. However, the string does stick to the poly crosses, so the string may move over time and I'd have to adjust with my fingers. At least, that's what I'm expecting.
     
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  19. CRWV

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    Nope, you should have a larger stock! :)

    (ps, will contribute soon as I just handed over one of my sticks to be strung with mpng black/WC scorpion (see my sig))
     
  20. MambaT

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    Well, that is certainly true and something we are continually fighting.
     
  21. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    OMG... are you guys out of stock AGAIN?! ...

    I love the gut, but it's sort of annoying having to ration my gut so my pile will last until your next re-stock.
     
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    Are you guys expecting any new stock soon?
     
  23. CRWV

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    Got my racquet back strung with MPNG black at 54 in the mains and WC Scorpion in the x's at 52.

    I'm assuming the guy who strung it hit with it a bit because he 1)told me he didn't know how I dealt with such an overly powerful stick (see sig) 2) there was already a bit of fraying in the sweetspot. He must have hit with it for about an hour (kind of a dick move).

    No hitting partner available so I went to hit serves for an hour or two...

    -ridiculous spin, awesome feel, didn't strike me as insanely soft but did feel quite lovely.
    -Sweetspot feels higher up the stringbed than before...feels kinda odd...
    -...really ridiculous spin...mind flashes back to the gut/msv cofocus playtest thread...he miswove a cross...(bout 5ish up from the throat, right at the bottom of the sweetspot) Not only did he misweave that cross, but he missed the hole of the grommet and wove it in the hole just outside of it (see:exo racquets).

    20$, half a pack of Scorpion 16L and a half pack of MPNG wasted...I should see him tomorrow and I'm expecting him to redo the job with his own string. (If he offers something like Tonic/hurricane I'll be pleased and all will be well, If he offers something like full poly or multi I'll be not-angry but will not use him again, anything less and I'll be ::insert words you can't use on this forum:: )

    Frustration aside, I think I've doomed my wallet to using gut :lol:
     
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  24. davedomart

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    Your stringer sounds like an *******/idiot. Find a different one.
     
  25. mad dog1

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    Are you positive? if he hit w/ it there'd be felt stuck to the string, but you only mentioned fraying and not tennis ball fuzz. i string for others and there's no way i would hit w/ their new string jobs.
     
  26. CRWV

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    no, but unless he knew the racquet itself and guessed wrt the strings themselves why would he tell me he didn't know how I hit with such a powerful stick?

    Frankly that doesn't bother me, it's the misweave (which he either didn't notice - sloppy work, or decided not to mention and still charge me 20$ - dbag) and the missed hole. Not like he missed all of them, just the one. I'm beginning to think he's not an idiot, just an ahole...
     
  27. Ramon

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    You know the guy better than we do. If you think he's enough of an a-hole to hit with your racquet, then maybe he did. I will say, though, that Mamba gut is very fragile as far as stringing goes. It's completely possible that the fraying might have been purely through negligence.

    A misweave and missed hole is very sloppy work. Sounds like an idiot to me. If he noticed the mistake and still charged you money, then he's an a-hole on top of being an idiot.

    I've strung Mamba gut myself, and it's no walk in the park. If you gave it to me to string up, I would charge $15 extra for labor (due to extra time and care required) and warn you beforehand that I'm not responsible if the string breaks while pulling tension. You would essentially be better off giving me Klip Legend or Pacific Classic. If someone treats it like any other string job he's doing, with the objective of getting the job done quickly, I guarantee you that he's doing damage to your strings.
     
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  28. mad dog1

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    the misweave and missed hole are unacceptable.

    i tell one of the guys i string for i have no idea how he can hit w/ his stick strung at 60#s because i know the power level of his stick and i've seen his strokes, etc. if it were me, i'd be dumping every ball into the net at that tension because the string bed would feel like a 2x4 to me. point is, i don't have to hit w/ his racquet to know how it plays because i'm already familiar with it.
     
  29. CRWV

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    fair enough

    fair enough

    I stand corrected. :D
     
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    My first outing with Mamba gut/iontec hybrid I produced almost violent shots that had a lot of spin. My eyes had trouble seeing the ball because of the amount of vibration the ball had in mid air.
     
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    Few days ago i recieved the replacement black premium natuarl gut they sented me, because the previous black premium gut snap when i was tensioning my third main.

    I was planing to strung it up in full bed at 60lb, because i hated it at 55.The first half snap:( when i was pulll my second main.
    I successfully strung the other half set @ 60lb, and hybrid it with nxt cross.

    So, i bought one set of black premium gut, half set broke, they sented me an full replacement set,and the half set of the replacement set also broke.
    I got what i paid for:-?
     
  32. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    ... It's not like they don't warn you to not string above 56lbs...
     
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    Indeed but why would anyone listen?
     
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    No, gut is not gut, is not gut. And I guarantee I could tell you the difference; maybe I'm just part of the 1%

    All of those complaints are ABSOlUTELY unacceptable as a stringer. You pay good money to have a FRESH racquet strung. He/she has no business playing with what's yours. Secondly. a misweave merits a free job or compensation. It's a botched job. Period.

    I understand how sometimes it doesn't pay for the stringer to cut the strings and re-do it but in such a case, he should comp you the job-- strings and all.
     
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    How much fraying are you talking about?
    I just strung one yesterday and not yet hit with,and there are few fraying on the string.
    This happended to all three mamba natural gut i strung.
     
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    He told you how could you dealt with such a powerful racquet, maybe it is just this assumption, maybe he hit with this racquet before.

    Are there ball fuzz on the string bed when he gave it to you?
     
  37. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah they to fray a lot. Luckily, most of mine are on the ends of the string, and when it's on the frame it's away from the sweet spot.
     
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    That's why I'm so glad I got my own stringing machine. I just can't trust anyone else to string my racquets.

    For anyone out there with similar experiences, who is considering getting a machine just to do their own strings and do them right...get it! Even if it's under $200 for a Gamma X-2 or a Klippermate, you'll be better off with that than handing your racquet to an incompetent stringer.
     
  39. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    [​IMG]

    After ~ 30hours

    Not bad at all. :)
     
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    if you can't string over 56#s I don't see the point .it loses tension
     
  41. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I dont like gut above 56lbs, so I don't see the point. It's unplayable to me.
     
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    I just tried a set of Mamba Premium NG. I received it a week ago so this is probably the "newer" version. This is also the natural color, not black. I usually play with Pacific Classic/MSV CoFocus at 54/50 on a 98 sq. in. racquet.

    I strung the MPNG/CoFo at 55/50 b/c Say Chi says that this string is powerful. Man is this string powerful. I am going to have to restrung that racquet, but I think MPNG has to be strung around 60# to be equivalent to Pac Classic at 54#.

    I've read multiple post here saying that people have snapped Mamba guts in their bag, while stringing, receiving it in the mail, stringing over 56#, etc. Personally, I haven't seen it, and I've strung up a lot of Supra gut. I've played with it quite a bit and I think Mamba guts are quite resilient.

    I am going to string up MPNG at 60# to see if this thing will snap during stringing but I don't anticipate any problems. I will report back if it does.

    By the way, I tried Mamba Supra NG/CoFocus at 54/50# & I can say that Pacific Classic is very slightly more powerful then Supra gut.

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    Ok, so I decided to string MPNG at 59# instead of 60. Feels tight, but no problems stringing at all. I did have to use some baby oil when I was cinching up the knot.

    This string is indeed dry.

    Tom
     
  44. levy1

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    Tom, I just received some Mamba natural gut 16G. What is a good tension so it is not to powerful and how did you like it compared to the supra?
     
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    haven't had a chance to hit it at 59# yet. I can only make the comparison of Supra/CoFo 54/50 VS Premium/CoFo @ 55/50. I can't really control the MPNG at all. The ball flies on me when I try to take a big swing. I really have to tone down my 1st serve to keep it in. It feels really soft, like a pillow on my arm. Keep in mind that this is not a fair review b/c MPNG @ 55# is definitely too low for me. I probably will hit with MPNG/CoFo @ 59/50 on Thursday. I'll let you know then.

    Tom
     
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    This doesn't make sense. Premium gut is at it's best above 60#s. Thats common knowledge. I know you have a 90 so you can get away with lower tension, but didn't you say you have not used premium gut, so therefore you wouldnt know how amazingly awesome it can be at that tension?
     
  47. 2Hare

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    Hahaha that's funny. Thanks for the laugh.
     
  48. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Alright, then tell me what am I missing out on if I'm perfectly happy with MPNG strung at low tension compared to the big daddy brand?

    I understand the promise the brand name gut, they can be strung at higher tension. So for someone like me who cranks it at 55lbs, tell me what I'm missing out on as far as brand name's promise of higher tension.

    If you say so and so gut plays softer/crisper/stiffer/durable and etc., that's a different story. But if you're coming at me regarding tension, I just don't get it.
     
  49. 2Hare

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    hey man, one thing I've learned from internet is: Don't feed the troll!
     
  50. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I try not to make negative assumptions, there are enough self-righteous idiot players who do that for the rest of us.

    But your advice sounds wise.
     

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