Mamba Tennis

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  1. levy1

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    thanks, I would like to know how you arrived at the numbers for the different size rackets? I need to dial this in for customers.
     
  2. mad dog1

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    through lots of trial and error. i've found that these are the tensions that work for me for open patterned sticks. i tweak my tensions slightly depending on the power level of the stick, the stiffness of the string and string pattern. i started out using the stringway tension advisor and tweaked my tensions as i went to the JayCee method and then the JET method trying to maintain the same feel and stringbed stiffness.
     
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    Thanks, I am stringing with the mini Jet and I would like to know what Jet method you are using. Could you copy and past it here.
     
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    Received my order of Supra gut and ItB yesterday. Upon Ray's advice did the free shipping and delivery only took 2 days. Included with string was a mamba dampner, sticker and hand written note thanking me for the order. Ray was also super helpful on tension suggestions, as it turns out we play with the same stick and string set up. God I hope this stuff plays half as well as the customer service from those guys. Would love to continue to support them.
     
  5. tennisinoc

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    I had the same experience. Customer service is great.
    But unfortunately, their Gut product isn't as great.
    They arrived a bit dry and brittle. Guage runs thick -more like a 16g or even 15L in some spots. Definitely not a 17g.
    My set of Supra Gut couldn't handle 54lbs of tension and snapped while stringing. I never have snapped any higher quality name brand Babolat, Head, Wilson, etc. Gut, even at 62lbs of tension! But I contacted Ray and he sent me a replacement set. I'm hoping to try stringing again tonight and see if it was a bad batch or not.
    I would put the quality of this Gut comparible to Guacho & Unifibre.

    On another note, ITB is a Poly that feels elastic and softer than most i have tried in the past. As far as playability and tension maintainance, I will have to see as soon as i can get their Supra to make it thru stringing!
     
  6. mikeler

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    Aw man, I thought I was the only one special enough to get the handwritten note!
     
  7. mad dog1

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    it is indeed, but it's not elastic & springy in the string bed like BHBR so it offers amazing feel and directional control.
     
  8. Power Player

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    Damn this is a bummer to hear. I hope I have better luck..havent been able to hit much so I still have not strung up the Supra.
     
  9. TheRed

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    I have found Supra much better than gaucho. A little more pop but no premature breakage. It seems a bit more coated. I string at 58 lbs on a dropweight so I don't think tension is an issue.
     
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    Sweet..I am stoked to try it out.
     
  11. Korso

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    Eager to hear your review. Mamba is in my price range and would love to get back to hitting with gut/poly.
     
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    possible black ionotec hex solution

    I see alot of guys asking for the Ionotec black version of the earthworm colored hex string. have you guys thought about doing a hybrid of 1.23 MSV Hex with a cross of 1.20 ItB? I find the two strings to have very similiar properties with ItB having a bit more power and MSV Hex having a bit better spin. I have used both MSV Hex and Itb and think they are both fantastic feeling strings with good ball cupping. If you just have to have a textured string this might be a good alternative. Just a thought.
     
  13. BlxTennis

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    Tennisinoc, I had an issue with the Supra gut initially on 1/2 of the set. I strung it at 57lbs. After hitting 2 balls, the string snapped. So on the 2nd half of the same set, I strung it even more careful by pulling string through the grommet one grommet at a time. Meaning, I pull the whole string through one grommet before feeding it into the other end of the grommet due to the thicker gauge in some area of the string. So far I am on 8th hours of the string and still going strong. Feeling and control of this Supra is great. It really is worth it. No other high end/expensive multi comes even close.
     
  14. Korso

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    Mamba black and all the natural gut are sold out. Does anyone know if the salmon plays as well as the black?
     
  15. mad dog1

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    Salmon seems to feel just a tad more crisp than black, otherwise i think they play the same.
     
  16. tennisinoc

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    This is what concerns me the most. If 1/2 of each set is defective, paying $22 for 1/2 set of Gut is not a really good deal. Especially if you can buy a set of Superior Babolat VS or Wilson Gut for $40/2 = $20 1/2 set. You know what I mean? Plus the hassle of restringing the racket due to premature breakage isn't good for anyone's time and stringing business.

    Any Gut string will feel great compared to any other Multi string out there.
    Natural Gut is what these synthetic and multi strings are trying to emulate.

    So, I just opened and strung the replacement Supra Gut Mamba sent me due to my original test set not making it through the stringing process.
    This replacement set had a slight smell to it and was better coated and not as dry and brittle as the original set. It was like a whole different product than the first set. So, quality control is a concern for me. I don't know if if was due to the coating or what, but this set was much stiffer and had crazy coil memory. I actually tried pre stretching it to help get rid of the memory, but it sprung back like a poly string would! Weird. So stringing this up was going to be a challenge to not kink the string. Also, the gauge of this string is inconsistent and measures more like a 15g 1.32-1.35 rather than a 17g 1.25 as advertised. I don't know why they label it as a 17g when clearly it isn't even close. I decided to try 54lbs again to see if it could withstand the tension. This time around I took much precaution and strung very slowly (I can string mains in under 10min using poly/syn/multi mains & 20min with Quality Gut strings. With this set, I took every precaution possible and time to ensure no problems on my part, 40 min! It made it through the stringing process this time though) I was right about them being stiffer. They didn't stretch as much as expected from stringing Gut. A string like Gosen Micro has more stretch than this string. Also due to the inconsistent and thicker gauge of this string, it was being caught up in the grommets at times and I had to forcefully pull them through carefully not to damage or tear the string apart. It was a slow and tedious process but at least it survived for now. Let's just say, I was very happy to tie down the last main string and move on to the crosses.
    I put the Iontec Black on the crosses and will give a lot of props to this co-poly since it strings up really easy like a Synthetic gut vs. a co-poly. It is very soft, pliable and easy to work with. Not hard on the hands like many other polys are. I was surprised on how much elasticity this string has for a co-poly. Almost as much as a synthetic gut. I just hope it doesn't loose tension fast due to it's elastic nature. Only time will tell when I hit it on the courts this week.
     
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  17. lynnbart

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    I received a set of Iontec Black and Hexa today,,,,along with a handwritten note and dampeners.

    Also noted that the strings shipped the same day I ordered. Haven't hit with them yet, but I already like them !
     
  18. Power Player

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    Ok I finally got a chance to string up some supra. The first half set unfortunately could not go through the grommet without shredding. :( I basically ruined it before I even got to string it because it was too thick for my grommets. Not a good start.

    Set 2 was better.still not easy..this is a very hard gut to string compared to something like pacific or babolat. It takes longer. Mine felt like it was coated with wax as well, but that's a non issue. This was not a dry string, which is good because I had to really get lucky on the string fitting through the grommet and then pull really slow (56#s) and hope it did not break.

    Good news is that it did not, and off I went to hit with this setup strung at 55#s with cofocusl. the supra looks different compared to pacific. Its like a wheat spaghetti look compared to the normal stuff.

    The feel is awesome and the stick played great. I logged 2 hours and the setup hit like I expect gut poly to play. So this is a winner if you can get it strung up without an issue. Gut poly has really improved my game so much that any inferior string setup really bugs me. This does not disappoint. I felt very good out there. Let's see how it goes and how long it lasts.
     
  19. mctennis

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    Power Player, my stringer had the same problem with the gut initially. I got a replacement set and the second time went easier for him. He stated he thought the string strung up thicker than a 17g of any other big name gut. I haven't tried hitting with it yet due to some wrist issues so I can't comment on how it plays yet.
     
  20. tjwalker097

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    Is their gut made in India or Pakistan? If so, do not expect a miracle.
     
  21. BlxTennis

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    Agreed and Understood. However, it seems like if we slow down and pull through each grommet carefully, the string may not snap. The 1st time might have due to going through grommet a bit too fast that the thicker part of the string had a hard time making through the grommet without falling apart.

    I have the 16g but it feels more like 15g in some area too.

    I felt exactly the same. I was so happy when I got to the last 2 mains on each side. I just hand tie the knots and was worry about loosing tension on the last string.
     
  22. Power Player

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    Yeah that is my main issue. I get 1 set out of 2 sets because 1 is way too thick and gets messed up going in..ill be honest I am still thinking I may just stay with Pacific classic because it is so much easier to string. I want to see how the string lasts though because it plays rather well.
     
  23. tennisinoc

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    So my intution was correct. After having a light hit (1.5 hour rally), according to my Racquettune app, my tension has already dropped 14% or 7lbs!!! The elasticity of the Iontec Black was questionable regarding tension maintainance. Hopefully this will stabilize and not drop too much more tension in the days to come. Otherwise, it will become unplayable to me. Overall feeling so far is good as expected with a Gut/Poly hybrid. Good spin and comfort. I prefer a true 17g string on my mains for better spin and control potential. This thicker 15 gauge isn't my preference. I feel a thicker guage loses playability to me.
     
  24. lynnbart

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    I strung a racket this evening with a set of Iontec, not the black but just the natural? not sure what the color is.

    It uncoiled very easy and there was no problem with kinking. The string feels pliable, elastic, and yet is just stiff enough to handle grommets easily. There was no friction on the crosses and was very easy to weave.

    It didn't feel like a normal poly string. I played alot of tennis back in the 80's and the game has really changed for me. I've been searching for something modern, yet still trying to find a feel that I'm comfortable with. Maybe I'm closer.

    Strung up at 52 lbs in a Radical MP,,,,probably won't get to hit tonight, but I'm looking forward to how it plays.

    My son is playing with the new Pure Drive and I'm going to put a set in his racket later tonight or tomorrow. Not sure what tension yet. He is hunting a control string with spin similar to RPM Blast.
     
  25. BlxTennis

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    Power Player, have you try Klip Legend Natural gut? How is that compare to Pacific or Supra?
     
  26. Power Player

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    No, so far just Pac Classic and Babolat VS Touch
     
  27. alidisperanza

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    I'm seriously considering writing a Stringing Econogut 101 thread... some of the things I read here make me wince.
     
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    lol. You should. Kinda like a pro player reading the tennis techniques forum here.
    you don't want to know how I string up vs gut/rpm hybrids. Just a mess. I'll miss a weave... And realise after I tie it off. Kink the gut all over. Gouge it. Etc... Not pretty.
     
  29. Ramon

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    Here's how the tension is holding up with my setup.

    Strings: Mamba Premium Gut 16g (mains) / Iontec Salmon 1.25 (crosses)
    Machine Type: Dropweight, fixed clamps
    Tension Setting: 50#/50# (seems to be roughly equal to 53-55# on a lockout)
    Racquet: Pro Kennex Ki 5x (16x20 pattern, 100 sq in)
    All measurements done on RacquetTune app. Strings factors have been calibrated for accuracy.

    Fresh: 52.8
    Day 1, no play: 49.4
    Day 2, no play: 48.6
    Day 3, no play: 48.4 (8.3% loss with no play)
    2.25 hrs: 47.2 (10.6% loss after first day of play)
    1.00 hrs: 47.8
    1.50 hrs: 45.7 (13.5% loss after almost 5 hours of play)

    So far, not bad for a poly hybrid. I've seen worse. My theory on the gauges is that the thinner ones tend to be more elastic and have more spin, but the thicker ones hold tension better and keep their playability longer. My guess it that you've been using Supra 17g and Iontec Black 1.20mm?
     
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    Am I the only one playing with O-power? Haven't seen it mentioned much on here. I have it strung up in a low tension hybrid with Spiral Flex syn gut in the crosses and really like it for spin and comfort. I have to agree with others about Iontec in a hybrid with a syn/gut or multi, I didn't find it best suited for that. If I were going full bed of poly, I would have probably gone the Iontec route.
     
  31. tennisinoc

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    Yes I have been been using Supra 17g and Iontec Black 1.20mm.
    It looks like we have the same 13-14% tension loss with the biggest difference that you have 5 hours of hitting time vs my 1.5 hours.
    If my string keeps loosing tension and doesn't stabilize over the next few hours of hitting, it will become unplayable for me. I even pre stretched the gut too.
    My guess is that the Iontec is loosing most of the tension fast being elastic, soft and thin. With a VS/Gosen Micro 17g hybrid, I get about an initial 6%
    tension loss the first few hours then gradually gets down to 9% for the duration of its lifetime (appox 36hrs)
    I might have to swap out the Iontec crosses if this happens to see if my theory is right. More to come soon....
     
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    It's very difficult when you are used to a steady gauge, I can tell you that. I was so bummed when I heard the shredding sound of my Supra stripping. Had to clean out the grommet with a grinder and then pray to the gods of tennis for luck on the second 20 foot roll.

    Some things I did off the bat..clean the clamps and gripper (I do this routinely anyway), drop the weight very slowly. Handle string with care and watch for kinking. Don't string over 56. More prayer.

    String crosses properly by pulling woven cross down to bottom of racquet before pulling it through grommet.

    Hand tie gut knots and be gentle and kind (while praying).

    Do not cut gut lengths too short.
     
  33. alidisperanza

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    Lol, I guess I'm the only one that isn't bothered by the gauge issue-- if anything I'm getting more gut for my $$ :p The only time it bugs me is if it's thinner.



    I might just do that though-- I'm going to string a gut/poly hybrid now and shoot pics of it as I go-- see how it comes out.
     
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    I like that it is thicker in gauge..when it gets too thick for the grommets only in certain areas is where I was not prepared.
     
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    ItS 1.25 seems to hold tension better than ItB 1.25.

    also when tensioning your crosses, allow the string to sit tensioned for 20 secs so that tension stabilizes before you clamp off. not sure what machine you use to string, but in this case CP works alot better than a crank for this.
     
  36. Ramon

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    That's exactly how I string, and my machine is a dropweight. I took it straight out of the JET handbook.

    From my experience, the drop in tension I'm seeing is not alarming. So far, it's actually quite good for a poly hybrid. Maybe my technique is helping it a bit. I'm wondering if any other Mamba poly holds better at higher tensions. Maybe O-Power?
     
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    given that OGSM/Iontec and Iontec/OGSM didn't work out as well as a full bed of Iontec, i haven't bothered to try Gut/Iontec hybrid yet. IMHO, i don't see Iontec as being a good match w/ Gut or softer strings. i like to use iontec to make a stiff string more comfortable. i tried TB 16L/ItB 1.25 and thought that was a nice combination that provided huge amounts of topspin and very good pop while greatly improving touch, ball pocketing and feel. i generally prefer gut hybrid'd w/ a stiffer, crisper string as gut is pretty soft and powerful. O-Power is certainly stiffer and crisper than Iontec when i tried it in a full bed so i could see that working well.
     
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    At over 2 hours I was only at 10.6%, so I think you probably have more to go, unfortunately. I'm pretty sure the Supra isn't the problem. Some soft poly strings are known to lose over 30% tension (TW and RSI data supports this). This may be a case where we have to make tradeoffs between softness and tension stability.

    BTW...I went through older data on RacquetTune. I may have gotten better tension stability with RIP Control 16g mains and MSV Focus Hex 1.18mm crosses. The total loss was only 12% after about 8 hours, but my first reading was a full 2 hours after stringing because I didn't do my own stringing at the time. Focus Hex is the shaped version of Co-Focus.
     
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    I still think tension stability is most important. If the tension drops off a cliff after 24 hours but then remains there until death, I can deal with that by altering my starting tension.

    Ramon, I see you updated your sig.
     
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    You can up the starting tension to get to where you want to be if: 1) it stays level after the initial drop, and 2) the higher tension doesn't cause a premature loss of elasticity (like stretching a piece of twine). Should I try pulling the poly at about 62 pounds to see if it settles around 50? Something tells me I shouldn't try it. Iontec is still a very good string. If you have a soft poly that has better feel and ball pocketing than most, and tension maintenance is average, you still have a very good string considering what your other options are.

    Regarding Discho Microfibre, I think it's the real deal in multifilaments. Even if I find an econogut/poly combination that I like better (and I think I probably will), I'll keep a backup multifilament racquet in my bag. It's nice to have at least one racquet in which you don't have to worry about rain or about it dying and killing your elbow.
     
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    I finally got to play tonight with the Iontec salmon. I thought it played fairly lively. I was playing with Black Magic and I noticed more power immediately.. My old 1hbh had more zip and volleys were easy. I had to dial in my forehand some but the power is there if needed.

    For someone who may feel like they are between a multi and a stiff poly, this will be a good choice. Haven't played long enough to notice tension loss or durability issues, but this sure may be a nice choice..
     
  42. davedomart

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    is black ion rough in the iontec family and play similarly or is it a completely different string?
     
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    I was not thinking poly when I made that comment.
     
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    Uh oh, I've hit a snag. I don't think I like fresh Iontec Black...I had a rather unsettling experience last night. I epicly tanked a match 1-6, 5-7. It felt like I didn't know what I was doing and the response I normally get from my string/frame setup just wasn't there. Yes, it could have been the jitters but I noticed the same from the ItB bed I strung up @ 48. It played much better when settled/ played a bit
     
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    My first match with Mamba Premium/Iontec Salmon was not that great. I didn't have the confidence to swing away, but it got better after that. After the initial break-in ItS seems to soften up and have better feel. The measured tension loss concerns me, but there are no signs of that in the way it plays, at least not yet at the 5 hour mark.
     
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    After another 2 hours of hitting in with my Mamba Hybrid, to my surprise, my tension only dropped .5% according to my Racquetune app!! Has it stabilized?! If it has, this is the craziest set up I have hit with that has a STEEP initial tension loss then NONE?! Weird. Anyhow, hopefully it stays stable because it is playing well. Strengths: Comfort, power, control.
    Weaknesses: Steep tension drop, average spin (15g string), poor durability (lots of fraying already). If this set up can make it past 24 hours of play for me it will justify my money I put into it.

    But the big question is: would I put more money into continuing this set up in the future?
    Unfortunately, most likely NOT.

    Overall, I prefer a TRUE Gut 17g main ie. Pacific, Klip, VS (better gauge consistency and worry free stringing experience) and a better tension maintenance soft co-poly (I am open to recommendations because I haven't found one yet. MSV Co-Focus is next on the testing blocks for this solution)
     
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    I have the same issue. My supra gut dropped in tension last night. I adjusted but it was a ton of power for a PDR and in a match it can be tough to play that loose.

    I have a feeling I am in the same boat which sucks. I just like to string gut up higher than the mid 50s. Gut really plays well at 58 or above IMO.

    I was going so western that I was framing more than usual . Backhands were actually fun because I could slap them over deep..I can still play with this stringbed, but compared to the initial day it just dropped too far. the initial day with this stringbed was excellent though.
     
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    I really liked the MSV with gut.
     
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    Yep, Pacific Classic/MSV CoFocus is awsome. Deep penetrating shots that just drops at the last minute and jumps up like crazy. I am also testing Mamba Supra with CoFocus and Supra with ItB.

    Tom
     
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    What tension are you using?
     

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