Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

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  1. Raul_SJ

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    Everybody wondering why Pac didn't come out more aggressive in the final rounds, since he was clearly behind on points and needed a KO.

    Then in the post-fight interview, Pac says he thought he had won the fight on points.

    What a joke. He can't be that stupid.
     
  2. Nathaniel_Near

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    Pacquaio was not the true aggressor, only in bursts. Mayweather controlled a lot of this fight with his pawing jab. He also landed more shots than Pacquaio so he ended up producing more offence by the numbers.

    Pacman was outclassed.

    In short, May didn't actually (only) run and defend for 12 rounds. Ludicrous notion. He's a quite complete boxer. The only thing he really lacks is serious power, which is partly down to his brittle hands. In lower weight divisions he showcased plenty of power.

    Yes, that was quite ridiculous. He didn't win by any measure.
     
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  3. spinovic

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    Absolutely outclassed. If it took this fight for anyone to realize Floyd Mayweather was a notch above Pacquiao, they had blinders on.

    I can't believe anyone would have paid $100 to watch that.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Early reports indicate at least 4 millin PPV buys. Naturally, I'm sure most of us used online streaming. :twisted:

    So who beats Mayweather now?

    I'd personally like to see Keith Thurman have a crack at him. He has serious power and ambition and he's young and fresh. Mayweather is old.

    Nice one, smartass. :lol:


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    Pride was getting in the way during that post fight interview. Carl Froch was nearly ****ing while he was talking about Floyd's Performance. Amazing to Hear Froch put somebody over that is not himself. Floyd has never been about ruthless aggression.He is the master of the ''sweet science''. I think that checkers/chess comparison is spot on.

    No idea who the next victim will be.
     
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  6. Midaso240

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    How about Klitschko? He'd KO Mayweather in the 1st round.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Now all we need to wait for is Stephen A.Smith and Skip Bayless to go ham on ESPN First Take over the next few days.

    It's going to be absolutely EPIC — count on it.
     
  8. spinovic

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    He's boring. Like watching paint dry. The most exciting moments in all of his fights are produced by his opponents.

    It doesn't matter if he finishes undefeated or night. He will never be considered the greatest P4P because of that.
     
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    Sure, why not? If he hangs around long enough, he will eventually lose. But, I have no interest in watching him fight anyone.

    The only reason I watched this is because I checked this thread to see what was being said, found a link that worked and figured why not watch the most hyped boxing match of all-time for free (even if the audio wasn't working).:)
     
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    I believe he said, "I though I won the fight. He didn't do nothing."


    Too bad you were in a boxing match Manny. Floyd won the boxing match.

    There was no fight. Neither guy looks like they got hit.:)
     
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    Let's be honest here:

    - boring fight.
    - no true winner (no way was Floyd a winner, nor Manny. A clear, clear draw. Nobody stood over above the other. But of course, Floyd will not lose on points with three American judges and the fight being in the USA. This just can't happen).
    - as good as Floyd is, he will never be even close to the real big boxing legends (no hating, he is a great fighter, but not a legend).
     
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    Sergio Martinez vs Mayweather in 2009, 2010 or 2011 would have been very interesting.
     
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    He's not even in the top 10 P4P all time. Same for the other undefeated champion Marciano. Weak era then, weak era now.
     
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    Interesting post match comments from Pac. I've never heard a boxer be so ungracious, especially in a fight he had clearly lost.

    I'm beginning to think Pac really believes he had won the fight.

    Either that, or Pac is just trying to set up a re-match.
     
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    Ok...you first.

    That's your honest opinion (I suppose), but it shouldn't be confused with honesty.

    There's always a winner or a loser or it's a draw. There's no such thing as a "true" winner/loser. (still waiting for honesty)

    Floyd is a master boxer/tactician. He's not a slugger, never has been. A lot of people dislike Floyd's fights for that reason, and that's perfectly fine. But some admire his tenacity, precision, and masterful defensive skills. It's really that simple.

    Ah, playing the nationality card, I see. So three Yugoslavians would've saw it differently? Still no honesty yet, but definitely misguided conclusions based on...well, it's obvious.

    As for points, the way it works is if you hit the other guy more than he hits you, then you amass more points than your opponent. Wasn't sure if you realized that. ;-)

    No hating, but no truth either - more opinion, which again, you're entitled to.
     
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    By the looks of things, Rocky had more taxi driver opponents to inflate his record. I'm not sure if LeeD was one of them.I wouldn't say Floyd Mayweather is the greatest ever, I never really think of that. All I know for sure is that he is the best there is today.
     
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    No,the best today is Klitschko. Mayweather couldn't last more than a few minutes against that giant. I see no difference between this and men's/women's tennis.
     
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    The list is long of boxers from similar weight classifications that would have handled Mayweather routinely if they fought in the same era...Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Benitez just to name a few. Sad that this "fight" got so much hype.
     
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    Klitschko gets often gets undersold in America. He is only slightly less boring than Mayweather, IMO, and he absolutely is Mayweather's peer as a boxer. They are very similar in their ability to control range, avoid damage and dictate the pace of their fights. The differences, as I see them, are that Klitschko can do more damage, while Mayweather is more elusive.

    I couldn't honestly say either is clearly better than the other.
     
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    That's not entirely true. While it is the one that carries the most weight, landing clean punches/inflicting damage is only one aspect of boxing. Scoring also entails who is the aggressor, who controls the fight and defense.

    Casual watchers don't understand this. And, that's why its paramount that you understand the styles of each boxer.

    Neither guy did any real damage, so that's a wash. Mayweather landed more clean shots. Pacqiaou was the aggressor. Mayweather was, as usual, great defensively. And, Mayweather controlled the fight.

    It's unfortunate that boxing matches are called 'fights', because that's not what they are, IMO.

    If you never watched Mayweather, you come away saying things like, "How did he win? He wouldn't even fight." If you have watched him before and was familiar with him then you know that the 'fight' was conducted on his terms. He controlled the pace and basically did what he wanted.

    Manny being the aggressor was negated by Mayweather's defense.
     
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    I think that was it for boxing as a big-time, wide appeal sport. At least in the US. I like boxing, but at this point it's not a sport for people who aren't really into it.

    Feel like a whole bunch of people tuned into this thing who either hadn't watched boxing in years, or who really never had, and on the whole those type of casual fans were pretty bored I think. The watch party I was at had a pretty good sampling of people - really hyped and excited before it started - but then what happened was a fairly technical boxing match, and they just never got into it.

    I thought Mayweather was excellent, but the people at said party all thought he didn't do anything the whole fight.
     
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    Fight of the century? Not even a good fight. Expected much more. Mayweather too defensive, too scared to get punched. No wonder he got booed in his own country. Manny should have gone for the KO in the last 2 rounds. That way Mayweather would have been forced to fight instead of running and hugging his opponent. I know he did what he had to as that was the only way he could beat Manny but it was highly boring for the crowd, for the fans.
     
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    This match was suppose to lift the sport of boxing. Instead it freaking put the final nail in the coffin. This match was D.O.A.
     
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    Sergio Martinez in his best moment would have beat Mayweather. I heard him in an interview saying a possible fight between him and Mayweather would be a long, boring, tactical fight.
     
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    The first half of the fight was actually good. The Mayweather masterclass late on made it seem boring. My only problem is his constant fouls at the start.

    People need to see the difference between an anticapated fight and a great one. You will see cracking fights in small halls but you won't see genious. I enjoyed the full 10 week build, fight week etc. It wasn't just 48 minutes of entertainment.


    NN, I struggle to see anyone beating Floyd. But I would like to see Khan get a shot. Floyd has screwed him over twice already. Hope Pac Man retires, glad he got his day in the sun but he has too many hard fights. Hopefully he has a healthy retrement.

    Edit: Kevin Mitchell of the Guardian things Manny got a raw deal from the judges.

    VanioMan, why did you have it a draw? Do you think Pac got 6 rounds?

    Backspin, Defence is FM's strenght plus he does not want brain damage, this is boxing not tennis. Although retirement would be the best solution for that.
     
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    I only care about Deontay Klitschko now...if it happens.
     
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    What are your views about the shoulder injury claims?
     
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    Yeah really disappointing fight, unfortunately it went the most predictable way, exactly how Mayweather planned...The hype beforehand was fun at least, but that could well be the death of boxing, most casual fans will feel ripped off and never give it a second chance, can't say I blame them.
     
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    Two possibilities:

    1. Pac really thought he was ahead in the fight (as he stated in the post match interview).

    2. Pac didn't want to take the risk in the final two rounds and was happy going home with the loss by decision.

    Either way, it reflects badly on Pac.
     
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    Doesn't matter what Pac himself thought, that's BS...Roach would have known 100% he was behind on point and would have told Manny, why he didn't go for the KO we'll never know...
     
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    Pizza Boston was charging $20 cover fee! We were walking by and there was a crowd outside watching across to the patio Tv to avoid the fee and we joined in. People were climbing the walls to get a better vantage point. The fight was boring I thought but the camaraderie that developed between strangers was awesome. Had good laughs and made some new friends.
     
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    Pac wasn't gracious in defeat but Mayweather was terrible in victory, just because it was expected doesn't make it OK, imagine Federer or Nadal did his celebration on the turnbuckle.


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    I hate this d-ouche

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    I figured his corner would have told him he was behind (unless they were afraid to)...

    Assuming that Pac knew he was behind, his strategy in the final rounds makes no sense. He's a big underdog and already down in points, so why not take a chance in the final two rounds? He's got nothing to lose.

    Would have made for a more exciting finish. But he didn't go for it.

    Another reason for the decline in boxing popularity.
     
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    I have seen some say they felt it was close going in to those rounds, but FM took them.

    But yeah, Manny was maybe fearful. Can't blame him. Who really wants to get their brain smashed about.
     
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    The failure of these guys to fight each other in their primes (several years ago) is a stain on both their legacies, especially Mayweather. I would flat out refuse to consider Mayweather the best ever purely for this reason. 2nd best fine, but not best. Based on what I saw I think Pacquiao would have beaten him 5-6 years ago.

    What other all time greats have avoided each other whilst in their primes?
     
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    CompuBox Statistics Floyd Mayweather Jr Manny Pacquiao
    punches thrown 435 429
    punches landed 148 (34%) 81 (19%)
    jabs thrown 267 193
    jabs landed 67 (25%) 18 (9%)
    power punches thrown 168 236
    power punches landed 81 (48%) 63 (27%)
    punches thrown x round 36.25 35.75
    punches landed x round 12.33 6.75

    still can't see why people think manny won or even like the scared sore loser. ducks floyd when both are in their prime (only takes the fight now cuz he owes the irs money and isn't making any fighting cans in Macau) makes up pathetic excuses why he can't fight floyd (only mexican fighters are allowed to fight on cinco de mayo and a bs hand injury) and now makes up shoulder injuries after getting schooled all night.
     
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    i didnt watch the fight but given the amount of money, its a joke
     
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    Not very exciting. Mayweather spent most of the fight going backwards and staying out of range.

    As Lennox Lewis predicted before the fight - 'How can you win against a guy you can't catch?'
     
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    Now for a real fight, Money v Rousey!
     
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    Manny said he can't believe he lost to a pusher.
     
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    Hi Ronaldo, what did you think of the fight?



    What a crap night, i lost money on pacquiao (haha no pun intended), money on the black jack tables and lost interest in boxing; It's all about UFC now, no hiding in that ring!
     
  46. Ronaldo

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    Actually fell asleep during the fight. UFC handles old fighters well.
     
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    Pretty much this. People who haven't watched enough boxing wouldn't be able to appreciate Money's performance.
     
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    This was your typical tennis equivalent of a pusher vs. basher matchup. Pusher always ends up winning.
     
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    "Fair enough, but I was making a general point in response to what I thought was a mindless comment. If we're talking specifics here, it goes like this:

    - Clean punching,
    - "Effective" aggression (rather than aggression for the sheer sake of aggression)
    - Ring generalship (the category controlling the fight falls under)
    - Defense"


    Exactly. Exactly.

    Anyway, just watched this again and had Mayweather winning easily, 117-111 or 118-110, with Pacquaio only definitively claiming rounds 4 and 6 (had it 116-112 live but ****** streams are problematic).

    Mayweather not only controlled the fight and showcased better defence and effective aggression for most of the fight, but he actually instigated at least as much offence as Pacquaio did.

    Mayweather didn't run, he just put together a complete performance that bamboozled Pacquaio, and Pacman couldn't deal with it.

    Nobody was good enough to make a fight with Mayweather truly explosive and interesting (for the casuals).

    Except for Castillo.

    Bottom line: Mayweather was absolutely brilliant last night. His proactive footwork feints confused the heck out of Manny and his jab controlled the fight. He was almost always one step ahead, the faster thinker. He froze Manny Pacquaio.

    Khan would bring the volume, but the chin is always the question. It's as good as anything else that might be on the cards. I'd like to see Thurman face Mayweather. In fantasy land, I'd like to see GGG face Mayweather and hand him a loss... or would Money make a miracle happen? Fact is, Money has slowed down a bit and I doubt his endurance is as good as it was when he was 28. If Khan could withstand Mayweather's power then he might swarm him and snatch a decision, but I think Mayweather ends up forcing Khan to respect him and then out-boxes him.
     
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    Spot on analysis Spinny. Agree with your assessment completely. Manny had no answer and once Plan A didn't work, there was no other plan. This fight went exactly like a computer generated version of it would have went. Even though Floyd never seemed to hurt Manny, he kept him at bay the entire fight using his longer reach and defense abilities. Manny got tired out throwing all this punches in the middle rounds with Floyd using Ali's "rope a dope" strategy even though he wasn't always on the ropes.

    The boxer beat the fighter....end of story. Fight of the decade? Hardly. Decent fight though. Glad I didn't pay to watch it :)
     

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