Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

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  1. Topspin Shot

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    In all fairness, Pacquiao was hurt seriously enough that he now needs shoulder surgery. But I still think Mayweather is the better boxer.
     
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    Pacman threw 236 power punches and only landed 63. what does that tell you ?
     
  3. Ronaldo

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    Hard to catch that Powerpuff Girl
     
  4. King Fed WW

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    Pac Man out for 9-12 months...

    I can see a rematch next May


    revenue from at least three million customers who paid $100 to watch.
     
  5. Bad_Knee

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    Can't see the point in Pacquiao fighting any more, surely that was his last fight.
     
  6. jga111

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    Mayweather out-boxed Manny. But he never hurt him, he never 'fought' him. Boxing needs to reward the aggressor then we would see more of a fight. Defensive boxing, while itself is an art form, its just not entertaining. Ducking, weaving and running...its not what people want to see zzzzzz.

    Despite my feeling here, Mayweather is the best 'boxer' I have seen in my lifetime by a country mile. (And I'm living my 4th decade!!).
     
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    he needs urgent ear bitting

    Luis Suarez should come on duty
     
  8. hollywood9826

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    Some people have different styles that others may not like. I thought Roddick matches were boring other didnt watch much. But he was still one of the top players in the world for a long time making maximum use of his tools.

    Some people dont ilke Nadal becuase its the same thing over and over. He Imposes his will and wears you down with the power forehands. You know whats gonna happen and you prepare, but most of the time he will prevail. He is still an all time great operating withing the rules the governing body has decided upon.

    Money is the same way. You know hes going to keep distance and evade and counter punch. You can prepare all you want but at the end of the day he will prevail.

    If I was Money why would I risk opening myself up to get KO'd by an inferior opponent. Dont make sense when the first priority is to win, and you know that you are better and will win more rounds when its all said and done.
     
  9. hollywood9826

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    Watch these if you want to see two people standing in the pocket exchanging blows. Dont buy or watch Mayweather fights. EVER

    Tank Abbot Fights
    Cabbage Correia Fights
    Kimbo Street Videos
    Bonner vs Griffin TUF finale.
    That dude vs Korean Zombie.
     
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    It isn't really pure evasion that sets Mayweather apart. It is how he clinches (which IMHO is cheating), but they never warn him for it. He is a master at understanding the rules of the game (largely because of his father) and he exploits it to the maximum.

    Let's be clear on when clinching is supposed to occur. It was supposed to occur when a boxer is totally overwhelmed with punches or totally exhausted. But Mayweather is different. He is one of those guys who will take two or three offensive jabs, closing the distance the distance the whole way, while he does it. Then he clinches his opponents right after he jabs. So now his opponent can't do anything but wait for the ref to break them apart... because if the opponent tries to push or punch out of the clinch, Mayweather will fire a couple more jabs. Scoreboard.

    It's a pretty dirty tactic. But it has been used in the lighter weight classes for quite awhile now. At the lighter weight classes, boxers who can successfully defend against a guy who is a skilled clincher is honestly a very rare breed. It takes a guy like SRL or Duran to do it.

    IMHO, the clinching rule needs to be changed to say that a boxer cannot clinch after throwing an offensive punch. That would neutralize fighters like Mayweather or Ward or whoever. It would force them to go toe-to-toe much more.
     
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    Floyd operates withing the rules of the game and how they are enforced. Just like how Nadal and Djok take way too long to serve the ball.

    Its hard for me to fault a guy for that.
     
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    Pacquiao did pretty well considering how old he is. Everyone knows he's always lied about his age and is much older than Mayweather
     
  14. jga111

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    In tennis two 'counter-punchers' playing each other will still give a contest involving rally's and competitive points, a competitive match. With unforced errors but still, you will have winners.

    In boxing, two counter-punchers fighting each other, say money vs money...you have the dullest affair with few exchanges.

    Boxing point system needs to change to promote attacking styles and actively prevent clinches and headlocks (that forcibly tire the opponent). In every sport we want to see good entertaining attacking flair.

    In soccer, away goals are worth 2 when it is draw for this very reason.
     
  15. Russeljones

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    There's MMA for people like you. Boxing doesn't need to be dumbed down.
     
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    If you do not think hugging, clinching and headlocks need to be dumbed down fair enough. But I'd rather fighters focused on the boxing more rather than repeatedly and surreptitiously employing ILLEGAL counter-boxing measures.

    Otherwise it would seem you're happy with fighters to employ such strategy in which case, MMA would certainly suit your interests here - Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a proponent of such exciting maneuvers.
     
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    ^^You also forgot Mayweather punching Pacman in the balls,.



    But yeah, it's all about UFC now, no running or hiding in that ring.
     
  18. Ronaldo

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    Notice comments on Money being trained by his father but his uncle was his trainer for a long time. What has happened?
     
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    Except for maybe all the wrestlers who lay n pray. Or Frankie Edgar when he fought BJ Penn.

    There were a couple shots on both sides that appeared to be below the belt. Bayless for the most part let them go at it. Floyd played it great. He noticed the ref was waiting to break it up so he used that strategy to his advantage. Some other fights hes noticed the ref was not allowing that to happen and takes advantage. He is simply just a step ahead.

    Its like a Greg Maddux pitching performance. He starts nibbling at the corners and if the ump is giving him that pitch two inches off the plate (an illegal strike if you will) he will take it all day and have an easy complete game.


    Freddie Roach in my opinion let Manny down in this fight. They prepared for Floyd to be running, and when he stood right in front and jabbed (not really something floyd does alot) a bunch and threw right hands he didnt even try to offer a plan B.
     
  20. hollywood9826

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    Roger trained Floyd while Floyd Sr. was in jail. After Jr. beat Cotto a few years ago he brought Sr. back. Speculation is it was because Jr. was visibly hurt. I think this win vs PAC was fight #5 since Sr. came back.

    There are some other issues for sure. But they have done a pretty good job of keeping them private
     
  21. Gonzalito17

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    Good performance by Floyd but it looked like he boxed knowing he would win if he just managed to go the distance. No risks, just smart defensive boxing running and holding. Finishes the last round and is assured victory. The way it looked to me. Pac would do better in a smaller ring.
     
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    I think amateur boxing will be more to your taste then. Professional boxing has always had holding. To wish for it to disappear is frivolous.
     
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    Lot of hypocrisy going on in so called style discussions

    Not long ago the sport was considered too savage and reform was sought and many even advocated outright ban of the sport on grounds that it was too brutal and medieval for the 21st century

    But then when we have a modern clean and calculating and less-bloody way of boxing (championed by Mayweather and the Klitschko brothers) then that's too boring and bla bla bla & we need to go back to the good old days of nail (and ear) biting suspense
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    Of course it has. I am referring to the frequency and different types of 'holding' that is acceptable. The headlock form of holding should never be allowed. The clinch, fine - but frequent uses of it should see a point deducted. Floyd relies on all these types of holding to preserve his defense and tire out his opponent. This is not a sign of strength but weakness. Dirty tricks in professional boxing deteriorate the very art form it represents.
     
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    Hypocrisy?

    K brothers are class. Granted their size is huge, but they have the finest jab in boxing and they implement it as a sweet science within the rules of the sport. I won't be complaining about them.
     
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    Who's talking about (just) you?

    As if there is shortage of complainers about the Klitschkos' style of boxing
     
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    Klitchos have the added advantage of being bigger and taller than almost everyone they fight. So its jab city and clinch/hug when the smaller guy gets inside range. Pretty much what floyd did to manny.

    But becuase Floyd is the ultimate bad guys and manny and his poeple have done a great job of making manny the patron saint of all times floyd gets lambasted. And Klitcho is P whipped by the little girl from remeber the titans and goes to save the dolphin rally he is class and you dont complain.
     
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    Money takes all that lovey dovey to another level. Combine that with defensive counter punching style (which is why he probably does it so much) and yeah...I will complain.
     
  29. heninfan99

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    Well, he quieted all the naysayers for sure. Even has them giving him compliments now. :)

     
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    Does anybody remember Kansas City center Joe Merri- Wheather?
     
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    I'm sure anyone would be devastated to lose Mayweather's respect
     
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    As for rematch, I don't think Floyd owes him one, nor does he owe the fans, etc. He won fairly and cleanly.

    That being said, it's pretty comedic to call a dude a coward in the same statement during which you explain why you AREN'T going to fight said dude
     
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    Does anybody care?

    There is no desire from the public to see a rematch. These guys are just trying to generate interest for another payday. Manny 'thought he won the fight', had an injury...Floyd would be willing to fight him again, but now isn't because Manny is a coward. Boxing is the ultimate con game.
     
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    It is pretty funny. but at the same time you get beat and the excuses start coming out. That is pretty bush league.

    I agree nobody wants to see a rematch. I disagree Floyd is trying to generate hype for it. After that fight there was no way he was fighting him ever again. Anyone thinking otherwise was not thinking very much.

    Manny, Roach and Arum want it bad because they will never get close to making that much money again. Floyd and haymon will never agree to a co-promotion deal again.

    Manny had his chance and did nothing. There were expecting floyd to run and when he stood in front and jabbed and stuck manny with some counter rights manny stopped trying to fight. Injured or not he fought timid and did press which is what they were saying he had to to and was why he had a chance to win.

    Then after the fact they say his shoulder was hurt but did not make the comission aware of the injury. And then when they wanted to take some drugs to help the pain the commission denied them because they did not disclose the injury when they had the chance. Its why people suing Manny now. He may be able to use an out of court settlement as a way to evade more taxes.
     
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    I don't think there is any value in a re-match. As a fan I wouldn't be paying to watch it. Mayweather showed enough that even if Manny was injured, he would still be schooled. I used to love JM.Marquez and thought he'd be a great opponent, similar warrior type of fighter to Manny. But he was schooled in the same way which is why I wasn't surprised when I saw similar on Saturday.

    Despite Floyd doing the holds, etc - for me he is the best technical boxer I have seen in my lifetime. He buys time and space - that is just genius. I would like to see less headlocks and hugs from him, he doesn't need to do that, he is that good - but of course I understand the tricks and if he can get away with it then yes - I guess that in itself is a skill, knowing how much of the dirty tricks you can utilise before you're warned/penalised.
     
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    After May 2nd will anyone pay to see a re-match or either fighter again?
     
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    Do either of them really need another payday? How many millions does one need?
     
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    for Floyd, at the rate he literally burns money, a billion might not be enough :p

    for manny, the question seems to be, how many more millions of people can I help if I fight again. (donated earnings, inspiration, etc...)

    that said i wouldn't order it again.
     
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    Don't know. I've never made my first million. I hope I can answer that question for you one day.:)
     
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    I actually would like a re-match post-shoulder surgery.
     
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    Fixed fight. Floyd controlled the entire promotion, set all the demands and terms, Pacquiao had to agree to everything. Floyd got 3 American judges and boxed not to win but to last the distance, as if he KNEW just go the distance and the judges were in his pocket. Also, it's been revealed the punch stats by compubox were corrupted to make it look like Floyd threw and landed more, when in actuality on the slo motion recount, Pac landed 30 more. Just a total inside job fix, Pac never had a chance outside of a knockout but Floyd fought in such a way to prevent that. Also the TV braodcasters seemed to be manipulated to favor Floyd's style. Sports By Brooks revealed a story years ago about Al Haymon controlling the HBO broadcasters of Floyd's fights, instructing them what they could say and not say about Floyd. The crowd cheered Pac as the winner at the end, and booed Floyd. Also Floyd has made two public appearances since the Pac fight and he was booed loudly at both NBA games he attended in Golden State and Atlanta. Rematch merited. Should be held outside of Vegas with 3 NON AMERICAN judges.
     
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    Cliffs for people that don't want to read
    -gonzo has an unhealthy hate for floyd. Needs to see a therapist for help
    -conspiracy theories that floyd has fixed everything ever. There is no proof and gonzo will never post proof
    -pac won becuase fans boo Floyd
     
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    That was a bit harsh...
     
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    Do your research, Haymon paid Canelo a $5m bonus to go soft on Floyd, it's documented. Victor Ortiz took a dive vs. Floyd. Maidana was forced to wear pillows and even said before the fight, that the only way he could beat Floyd was by KO and even if he did KO Floyd they'd do the count in decimal points. These are facts. Marquez was cheated at the scales, Floyd came in way overweight. Floyd is a very good fighter but he's protected by the politics and Vegas establishment. Pacquiao was robbed.
     

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