Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

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  1. Hot Sauce

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    Manny gets way too much credit for beating mediocre, disadvantaged opponents. Pac is a great fighter, and his fans are straight retarded.
     
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    Whoa, and what does being a fan of Floyd make you?


    The only way Mayweather is going to beat Pacquiao is dress Manny like a woman.............
     
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    Let's try another one........

    Mayweather has done a lot of running away from the fight it actually improved his footwork.
     
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    ^Case in point.
     
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    Good of you to manipulate my words, but this is how you should've quoted it.

    You: Mosley never went in for the kill
    Me: Here's video, clearly shows Mosley going in for the kill

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    Edit: Gah, I just realized I'm getting trolled by Pactards on a tennis forum.

    You: 984912
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    I guess it's good that someone is sticking up more Mayweather, otherwise this thread would be one-sided.
     
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    Anyone see the Pacquiao / Margarito fight? Brutal!

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    Pacquiao / Mayweather would be a great fight but Mayweather's likely to spend most of the fight running around the ring but he's not going to want to end up looking like this:

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    I watched it. It was brutal!
     
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    I'd really wanna see how a conservative counter-puncher tries to outpunch someone who throws 100+ punches per round and who connects at 40+%.

    People has to realize that Manny is a way better boxer compared to how he was during the Marquez fights.

    I also don't see Floyd's shoulder rolls working against Manny - who punches at different angles and moves laterally combo after combo.

    So many reasons why Floyd is afraid to sign up for the fight. When was the last time Floyd's been impressive against a decent opponent in the ring? The Castillo fights?
     
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    That fight wont come, Mayweather want none of it!.
    He didnt wanna fight Magherito, the whole boxingworld thought that Magherito was too big and powerfull for Manny, but again he proved everybody wrong. Manny dont back down from fights like Floyd thats keeps ducking. Floyd has never boxed a guy like Manny, he too fast and explosive for him. Please dont bring up that Mosley fight, that old guy was just a shadow of himself, so slow and didnt go for his punches.
     
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    It was a great fight, I just wished Manny would have continued to go all out even in the 11th and 12th round. He easily could have knocked him out.
     
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    Dude, mayweather is literally scared of Pac. He even dodged questions about him on ESPN before the Mosley fight. Mike Wilbon even called him a coward after the 2nd negotiations fell through. Mayweather camp lied and said no negotiations took place. The first negotiations were a trick also by mayweather using the drug tests as his out. Mayweather is a spoiled punk who never had to fight the best, he always picked his opponents. He ducked Margarito in 2006, COtto in 2008 and got lucky that Mosley was 38 this year. Now he's trying to duck Pacquiao but there's too much money involved and HBO wants it. HBO is unwilling to play mayweather for any more easy setups. Mayweather ducked Cotto and Margarito and now after seeing those two got slaughtered by Pac Floyd is totally completely psyched out. He doesn't want to take a fight he knows he will get slaughtered in. He's hoping HBO backs off and pays him for easy fights. Mayweather is a total fraud who only looks great vs. his picked opponents. We do not know how his skills will look when they are matched against the best of the best.

    Floyd's lack of confidence to fight the best speaks volumes. Pac will absolutely slaughter him if HBO can force the fight. by taking away all floyd's other options.
     
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    Let's do a poll.
    Posters in this thread, raise your hand if you're Filipino.
     
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    Not only I'm from the Philippines (naturalized US citizen), I speak the same dialect as Manny. Bisayang dako!!!!!
     
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    Case in point? His replies were humorous. Made me laugh...then laugh at you for your response.
     
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    Mayweather would demolish Pac easily.
     
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    I think if this did ever happen, regardless of how good the fight turns out to be (probably great), I think it would be the most anticipated sporting event in the history of sport, the amount of money generated would be unimaginable.

    Millions of people that have never seen a boxing match would probably watch it just from word of mouth. Just thinking about watching those HBO 24/7 programs about it gives me goosebumps.

    I think it's a 50/50 fight if it happens.

    The brilliant tactical boxing of Mayweather vs the brilliant speed and aggressive style of Pacquiao.

    Mouthwatering.
     
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    LOL. You clearly, don't know much about boxing or either one of these fighters if you think it would be an 'easy demolition' Mayweather's a defensive boxer. He spends most of his time going backwards and picking his shots. He doesn't like getting involved a fight. It's the complete opposite style of Pacquiao. Mayweather's also been ducking this fight for the last 1.5 years and waiting for signs of Pacquiao slowing with age so that he can't use his hand speed, strength, high number of punches thrown per round etc. Mayweather doesn't have a very good chance if he fights him now.
     
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    So you automatically assume destroy = KO ?

    No.

    He would dodge most of Pacman`s punches, like he does everybody else's, and hit Pacman with most of his punches, like he does against everybody else.

    He would thus win most rounds.

    I just dont see it for Pacman in this one. He usually wins because of his speed and stamina. Floyd has just as much if not more of both, and has the physical edge on top of it.
     
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    Mayweather has never fought a faster fighter than himself, but pacquiao has superior speed with both feet and hands. Mayweather relies on being able to back away whenever he wants with his speed, but Pacquiao would simply not allow this, with Tony Roach in his corner giving sound tactical advice, it takes away Mayweathers best chances....Hence why he is avoiding the fight.

    If Mayweather was not undefeated he would have taken on the fight by now, but he is close to finishing his career undefeated (though Pacquiao has done great things, this is something he can not claim himself), you can understand his reluctance to fight the pacman.
     
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    it is so clear mayweather is ducking pac so bad lol

    i can see why though beause 1 he would get destroyed, and 2 he wouldnt want to lose his undefeated record.

    think about it if mayweather really thinks hes better and will win why is he coming up with excues after excuses lol

    would you make up an excuse not to play someone if you knew you were better and will win? ie you playing a 5yr old in tennis or something
     
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    Lol he's a boxing coach now? A man of many talents....
     
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    Guilty of being black in America!
     
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    lol indeed. who else can claim that he has coached 2 GOAT candidates of 2 different sports?
     
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    Yes Tony Roach is an amazing boxing coach.... Pacquiao faster than Mayweather ? I beg to differ. Mayweather is faster and has greater reach, as well as a much better defensive. Pacquiao has superior power.

    Floyd is a pure boxing genius who has never lost.

    Pacquiao is a boxing machine, but he's been beaten before. He's been knocked out before, and in my opinion beaten twice by Marquez.

    I like Floyd's chances, Freddie Roach or not.
     
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    yeah, pure genius at cherry-picking opponents and ducking matches, hence the undefeated record
     
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    Lol Tony Roach, my bad, I was tired.
     
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    yeah right:rolleyes: the only thing hes guilty of is being a complete ass:evil:.
    ***** Mayweather got the biggest mouth, but he cant back it up!. He wont fight Manny. Martinez would spank his little ass too, but Floyd wont fight him either..
     
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    You coach boxing. How do you see the fight at a technical level? It's obvious you are not impressed (at all) with Mayweather's boxing skills. I'm curious what you see that makes him so weak.
     
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    You cannot be defensive in all 12 rounds. Defense does not win boxing matches. How can you be on the defense against someone who throws punches at weird angles... throws them at bunches... throws them 100+ per round .. and throws them accurately??? Do you seriously think that his shoulder rolls are going to work against Manny? Roll that shoulder and a hook will get you from nowhere.

    Floyd a pure boxing genius? Not really.. he's talented for sure. He's got exceptional defensive skills. He's an amazing counter-puncher. BUT! There is a reason why FLOYD will not sign the contract. He knows Pacman will neutralize his defense. Floyd without defense is not Floyd at all and Manny will most definitely break down that defense.

    And again... I'd like to see Floyd counterpunch a hundred punches thrown per round.

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    Agreed Manny has been beaten before.. but that was before he developed his defense - his right hand. That was before he became a complete boxer. Manny now is nowhere near Manny was before the DIAZ fight. He does not look for that straight left anymore.

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    As far as the JMM fights, he didn't lose both fights. I'd say he lost that first one even after the 3 first round knockdowns, Marquez did a great comeback. But the 2nd one he definitely won. Regardless... these fights happened when Manny just had that left hand to depend on... the right was non-existent.
     
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    Those PEDs have really helped Manny.

    Sincerely, Manny Ramirez
     
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    Maybe Ramirez is talking about and to himself..........


    LOL looks like you created a different screen name for this thread.....
     
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    Nope, just new to this site. Both Mannys cheated with PEDs and anyone who denies it has their head in the sand.
     
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    Hold on........PED's are cheating?
     
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    Registered to a Tennis site to comment first on a thread about Boxing? really now.
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    The first person to accuse Manny of PED's was a drug-trafficking crackhead.

    I'd rather believe Manny than to take a drug pusher's word.. unless of course you also believe that cocaine is a vitamin.
     
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    My first post wasnt on this one about boxing Mr Einstein. It was on a tennis threrad.

    Mayweather and his camp refused to fight Manny in the past because Manny refused to the drug testing. Manny wanted to only do the **** test instead of the blood test just like the cheaters in baseball because they all know the drugs they are using wont come up in urine tests. You one of those guys who actually believed Barroid Bonds and Roidger Clemens were clean even though their head sizes were growing into their 40s?
     
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    those women on PEDs too?lol
     
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    Yeah... checked your first post on the LEGS thread.. LOL. My Bad.

    Manny didn't want to do the blood test because of how it affected him during the Morales fight. Yet, now that he has agreed to do the tests, what's stopping Floyd from signing the fight contract? Floyd had 2 weeks to sign it yet he never did.


    This steroid thing never came into the surface until PBF's crackhead of a dad opened his trap to defend his son's cowardice. And you people would rather take the crackhead's word than Manny's who has never failed to display such sportsmanship and grace. I don't get it.

    The fact that MANNY has agreed to submit to all the testing PBF demanded greatly shows and proves his integrity. What did PBF prove so far... what has he done lately? Oh yes.... assaulting the ex-wife, threatened his children, intimidating security guards, etc.. such character.

    Seriously, I'd rather believe a guy who builds schools and hospitals.. gives an average of $3K/day to strangers who needs help than these Mayweather lowlifes.
     
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    A small breakdown from my point of view:
    Im very impressed by Floyds defensive skills no doubt!, but the fact that he wont fight the best fighters in their primes really ticks med off. The few times he faced very fast offensive fighters he were in trouble (like first half of the Judah fight), this fight is different because Pac got so much firepower and will box in the same tempo from start to finish and never back down. I follow boxing very closely, watch all the fights and analyse them. Judging from Floyds latest fights hes clearly not as good as he once were. Pac just seems to be getting better and better. Theres no doubt in my mind that Floyd will lose that fight by KO, hes a match spoiler but he will not be able to pull those tricks against an extremely offensive fighters as Manny.

    Personally I hate fighters that keeps avoiding the best fighters and tries to handpick their opponents. If you are that good and believe you are the best then sign the contract and get it on!. The problems is that Foyds a "talker" were Manny is a "doer" (quote boondock saints). Manny is a true warrior that will fight anyone even at their own weightclass, thats why hes the king:).

    Bold part: I dont coach boxing at the moment, but I did for quite some years at one of the best clubs in my country. Just cant find the time after getting divorced and now living alone with my two kids.
     
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    I sure hope Pacquio is clean because he is phenomenal, but it seems that every single athlete whos done something out of this world has been proven later to have cheated. The fact that he avoided the testing to begin with had to throw up a red flag but I agree with you, Merriweather is the one keeping the fight from happening now.

    I played basketball in college so I saw what PEDs can do for guys, so if Floyd really thought Manny was cheating, I would have demanded the testing as well but now it just looks like FLoyd maybe doesnt want anything to do with Manny.
     
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    Manny has already agreed to submit to all the tests PBF demanded. He was supposed to fight Floyd instead or Margarito. The contract was presented to FLOYD with a deadline. Floyd never signed. Then - they made some stories that no negotiations ever took place. Golden Boy Promotions claimed that no type of negotiation whatsoever ever took place - even after De La Hoya stated on TV that the fight is almost a Done Deal! .... A HBO sports exec finally stepped in to clear the issue and said that negotiations DID take place and Floyd chickened out.

    Look.. there was never any Steroid issue brought up against Manny until a fight against PBF was proposed. And FLOYD's camp are the ones who started this whole issue. It clearly shows that Floyd is desperately dodging Pacquiao. Why the hell would they start accusing someone who has never failed a drug/PED test all his life?
     
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    Exactly! as much as the whole world would love this fight to happen Floyd wont!. He comes up with lame excuses every time: want more money than Pac, want Pac to be tested before and after every meal etc etc. He has run out of excuses and its clear to everyone that hes just letting his big mouth run and cant back it up, chicken:evil:.
    Pac is a humble guy that do the talking inside the ring, thats how you earn respect, watch and learn Gayweather!.
     
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    off topic:
    pro boxing is in serious decline, fighters/promotors just want to hang on to their titels and fight handpicked opponents. Super-six was the best (on paper) way to let the best fight the best, but look how that went:roll:. Too much money involved so it became more of a tactical game between the promotors. Half of the original contestants dropping out and then we had to watch nobodys like Green in a tournament that should have become legendary..
    I do look forward to the Abraham-Froch fight next weekend, not the most skilled fighters but a guarantied war and KO..
     
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    I think this will be the greatest fight that never happened.
     
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    Well, he's a congressman now. It's good that he isn't resting on his laurels - he can see that there is more to life than boxing and retiring in comfort.
     
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    Well, aside from boxing, Pacquiao appears to be a class act. He appears genuine in caring for people in his charity work and dealings with those who are less fortunate. And he comes across as humble in the way he carries himself.

    PBF is another story entirely, and one only has to do a google search on his various extracurricular activities.

    Of course, all that is irrelevant to performance in the ring. But it's good to see nice guys do well occasionally. As all things sports, it won't last, but it's heartwarming while in the meantime.
     
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    if floyd had your confidence we'd have seen the fight. but floyd is smarter than you and knows his skills will be annihilated by Pacmonster.

    brutal devastating decisive knockout win for Pac. Floyd is beaten in the mind without even taking one punch.
     
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    Interesting article on Pacquiao from today's Observer:-

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/dec/05/manny-pacquiao-profile

    If you ask me, Mayweather's only ducking Pacquiao because he knows that he can't match him when he's at his peak. He's just trying to wait for Pacquiao to slow down with age and wear and tear. They fight now, and Pacquiao wins.
     
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    Or maybe not necessarily win but wait for Pac to slow down so Floyd will not get beaten into pulps that bad.
     

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