Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

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  1. aceX

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    Manny about to fight Shane Mosley.

    They're talking about a Juan Manuel Marquez rematch next.

    Mayweather fighting Victor Ortiz on the 17th of September.

    I don't think the Manny Floyd fight is ever going to happen but would like to be proved wrong.
     
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    Floyd won't even negotiate with Arum or Pacquiao, this is how scared Floyd is about the fight as he knows Pacquiao would knock him out. Floyd's a coward who has handpicked every opponent in his career and ducked and dodged every opponent that could have beat him - Miguel Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams, Martinez, Casamayor, Vivian Harris. Kostya Tszyu.
     
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    I wouldnt get into the round with the guy if I thought he was cheating with PEDs either. Pac has refused to do many of hte drug testing that FLoyds camp has agree to do so if Pacs cheating, why would a clean fighter get in the ring with him?
     
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    Pac Man hasnt exactly been fighting talented fighters recently either.

    Both of these guys want to keep winning so that eventually they will make the huge payday.

    I think once Floyds legal issues are wrapped up this fight will happen.
     
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    Nope. Floyd first tried to rush Pac to accept the fight after he beat Cotto in Nov. Floyd demanded Pac accept to fight on March 13 2010. With short recovery time Pac did agree. When Pac agreed Floyd was silent for about two weeks then came out with the drug testing demands. It was all a scam to get out of the fight. He knew Pac wouldn't agree to give blood the day of the fight. Why the hell should he? Floyd wanted to go above the Nevada Commission laws which is basically saying Nevada is corrupt or incompetent.

    Then when scientists were brought in to tell Floyd that 14 days was enough to catch Pacquiao if he was cheating, Floyd ducked the fight and biggest payday of his life. After Pac beat Clottey they tried to negotiate again but of course it fell through because Floyd didn't want the fight. HBO said they had negotiations with Floyd's camp but then Floyd camp called HBO's Ross Greenburg a liar and that no negotiations ever took place.

    Pac has since agreed to any stupid testing but Floyd won't come to the table and sign the contract. Floyd is clearly a coward here and doesn't want the fight. Floyd also was scared of Miguel Cotto and Margarito and ducked them and when he saw how Pac destroyed them both it put even more fear in his head.

    Floyd fake retired so he didn't have to fight pac, now that he is broke and taking huge loans of between 10 and 20 million from his mgr, FLoyd needs to fight again and he wants it to be easy fights, not with Pacquiao.

    Floyd has no plans to ever fight Pac, he even said he was hoping Mosley would beat him this past weekend and advised Mosley to go back on PEDS which he accused Mosley of using before they fought last year.

    Bottom line is Floyd is a coward and a liar and many people have fallen for his deceptiions. Pac is 100% clean has never tested positive or been linked to anything, and would never shame his people or God by cheating with drugs. he is an amazing fighter, so extraordinary that Floyd Mayweather is walking away from $50 million because he knows he will be knocked out.
     
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    Floydie will keep infringing the law and rather deal with litigations than go in the ring with Pac, at least he can keep talking trash from a distance away from Manny's punches.
     
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    From what I understand, the last time Pacquiao lost a fight was when he had blood taken within a couple of days of the fight. That was part of the reason he was reluctant but he also eventually agreed to whatever Floyd demanded but the fight still didn't go ahead.
     
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    LMAO!

    montrealforum, did you actually wrote that Mosley was told to "go back" to PED on the advice of Floyd even though the same Floyed had accused him of cheating?

    Stop being a silly fanboi and try to be more adult and coherent the next time you decide to make stuff up lie thru your teeth in the name of supporting your hero. Believe it or not some of us are adults here.
     
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    Floyd sure did suggest Mosley used PEDS to beat Pacquiao.

    here is the link:

    http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content9859.html

    sorry, typed that previous post a lil ragged as was eating a ham sandwich and chips for lunch at my desk while typing.
     
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    If anybody thinks Manny can beat Floyd Mayweather, put down the crack pipe. Manny is an excellent fighter, and the man of the moment. But Floyd Mayweather is unbeaten, is EXTREMELY fast and hard to hit. How can a boxer be scared to fight another man? Are you kidding me? These are guys who have been boxing their whole life, they aren't scared of anybody. Just because you don't LIKE Floyd's personality, don't get confused and think he's gonna get beat. Floyd is either bored, has too much going on or, more than likely, is waiting until the right moment so he can have the MEGA payday of a lifetime. I really really hope this fight happens. I can't wait to see all the Manny lovers crushed.

    Here's some advice for you from Wesley Snipes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTDeOPFr9e4
     
  12. Kevin T

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    I guess most of the world smokes crack. Manny's only rated best pound for pound fighter by every major boxing/sports site, including Ring, BoxRec, SI, NBC, ESPN and was named fighter of the decade by Ring. First ever fighter to win 10 titles and hold titles in 8 divisions. Pretty much beat up Mexico's entire stable of fighters. Dominated Mosley, Hatton, a much bigger Margarito, De La Hoya and twice avenged his only loss in the last six years (Morales). Mayweather had a split decision against De La Hoya, was actually hurt early on against Mosley (who ran from Manny all night) and needed 10 rounds to put away Hatton. Add to that the fact that Manny's a congressman while Mayweather sits around waving money like a fool and he's just a better all-around human. Mayweather may be faster, but only marginally. If Mosley can get through Floyd's armor, you better believe Manny will pick it apart.
     
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    I did actually see the Mayweather / Mosley fight. I wouldn't exactly say that Mosley "hurt" Mayweather or was ever in danger of winning. Mayweather always starts "slow" and seems to be feeling out his opponent and trying to understand what strategy they are going to use. As such, he often loses (or nearly loses or draws) the early round(s). He even seems to be willing to take a few punches. In the Mosley fight, after the first round, he never even came close to Mayweather.

    I see Mayweather as a "boring" fighter. Much like Roy Jones Jr. was in his prime. Maywether is a very technichal fighter. The contrast in styles between Pac and Mayweather could make for a great fight. The potential is certainly there. Alternatively, Pac could knock Mayweather out in the early rounds. He certainly has the power to do it. If Mayweather has his way, the fight could be a snooze fest with Mayweather defending well and "pointing" Pac round after round (sort of like what Roy Jones Jr. used to do).

    Basically, I see the fight as quite even. It would be interesting who would be able to control the style and tempo of the fight. If I were betting, I would usually bet on the defensive fighter (Mayweather) because that style is easier to win with IMO. Boring as hell, but "winning boxing" nonetheless.

    The fight could be like the Sugar Ray Leonard / Roberto Duran fights (minus the "no mas" of course). If you got tagged by those "hands of stone", you were going down. Fast.

    Actually, reading the linked article, it really was just the first fight that was "epic". I knew what happened in the second fight. The third fight is what I would expect Mayweather to do. If he succeeds, it would be the classic "boring" fight, with the slick, defensive boxer winning and the aggressor ending up frustrated.

    http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing-article/Sugar-Ray-Leonard-Roberto-Duran.html
     
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    I also saw the fight, R2, and Mosley connected a nice right hand in the 2nd round that stunned Mayweather. Mosley was too old and over the hill, IMO, to be able to finish such a skilled/fast/defensive boxer. That won't be a problem for Manny. I do agree that Mayweather is very boring fighter. A supremely skilled fighter but certainly not exciting. Manny won't get tired in later rounds like Mosley, De La Hoya and others. I honestly think Floyd has been running from Manny.
     
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    ^ Was it the second round. I forgot. I just remember that after that punch, Mayweather tightened everything up and just "cruised".

    I'm not really sure what is going on to be honest. It looks like he's running but the politics of boxing are complicated and shady of course. Mayweather seems to be more in control of this fight (or at least wants to be). It's hard to guess exactly what is going on.
     
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    Manny has certainly fought everyone possible. I haven't liked Manny all along but he's made me a believer. Early on, I thought the faster/defensive guys would give him trouble but he handled them all. Then, I was sure the much bigger, stronger guys would knock him out but he ended up knocking them around. I respect Mayweather's skill but there's no bigger fool in all of boxing. He acts like a complete moron during every interview, particularly if you've seen him on HBO's '24/7' series.
     
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    Agree on both counts.
     
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    And this is why Boxing will continue to die. Two best guys who are around the same weight class will never meet. This is why organizations are so important. As long as everybody has their own promotions their will be guys ducking each other. This is one of the few things MMA has gotten right. Sign everyone to an org and then let the top guys fight each other. Its much easier then the crap boxing does.
     
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    ^^ True.

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    Completely agree. Professional boxing organizations are a joke. I wish someone could just buy up every organization and sort it out.
     
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    KevinT:

    Whoopty do about Pac's record against the same fighters. I noticed that you did NOT mention Marquez, who Mayweather beat unanimously and who Pac could only manage a split decision against one time and a draw the other. Did that match happen to slip your mind?

    Forget outpointing Pac in a fight. IF this fight ever happens, Mayweather just might knock Pac out to teach the world to keep their mouth shut and respect the skills.

    I've watched both fight. Pac is darn good. The speed and defense of Mayweather is well well above ANYTHING Pac has ever faced. Anybody has a fighters chance, and I certainly would give Pac some percentage to win, but I would feel confident with money on Mayweather.
     
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    Mayweather doesn't fight that way. I thought he could have easily knocked out Mosley anytime he wanted, but he seemed perfectly content to "just win".

    Not saying he couldn't do it (he does have punching power). It's just not his style.

    I think that is exactly what Sugar Ray Leonard tried to do to Duran in their first fight. He leared his lesson. I don't think Mayweather is "foolish" enough to try to go toe to toe with Pac or go for the knockout.
     
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    Pacqy - Floyd:

    Cuando, cuando, cuando....

    the bread's getting stale...
     
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    Mayweather thinks he is protecting his legacy by running away from this fight but in truth he is hurting his legacy.
    This would be a great one for him to go out on. Mayweather knows the power pacman has for all rounds, so do the people around him.
     
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    seriously? those fights were at featherweight & super featherweight! may as well bring up manny's losses at flyweight while you're at it.
    manny is now a natural welterweight. For Marquez' safety I hope he doesn't agree to another fight with Manny, he cannot compete at that weight & this isn't the same Manny he fought in '04 or '08, not even close. Natural welterweights are so freaked out by Manny's power that they are just trying to survive 12 rounds with him, not even attempting to engage. Unreal.
     
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    I know, because records against common opponents never matter in sports. :) Seriously? And how long ago where those Marquez fights? He won the recent split 3 years ago and got the draw 7 years ago, not to mention Moose's excellent point about weight class.
     
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    Also, when Pac fought Marquez, Marquez was at his prime around age 30 at his strongest weight. When Floyd fought Marquez, Marquez was 37 and Floyd forced him to move up two weight classes. On top of that Floyd did not honor the contract and entered the ring over the contracted weight. It was totally set up in Floyd's favor. Totally misleading.

    If you want to compare, look at how Pac wrecked Oscar and Hatton while Floyd struggled with both. Also, Floyd totally ducked Cotto and Margarito though Pac fought and destroyd them both.

    Floyd is 100% intimidated by Pacquiao, to such an extreme degree, that he is walking away from a $50,000,000 payday, even tho he is rumored to be broke!!! He's that scared!
     
  28. Ronaldo

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    Forget Floyd, Sergio Martinez for the Middleweight title!
     
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    Floyd has been a protected fighter from the get-go. No doubt he was superb at 130, 135 but ever since 140 and 147 he's been totally protected and ducked and dodged the dangermen like Cotto, Margarito, WIlliams, Martinez, Tszyu even Cintron. It's all been smoke and mirrors. We really don't know if Floyd is great because he has never had the confidence to put those skills against the best, he always made excuses or fake retired to duck the best. People see his skills defeat secondary B level opponents and think he could do it against A level, but Floyd himself does not have the self belief to face the A level best. Ducking Pacquiao like he is now is clear evidence.
     
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    Like tennis, boxing is about all about matchups. Comparing common opponents can be very misleading.

    As for Floyd ducking everyone because he is scared......maybe. I think what is more likely is that Floyd fights guys that he feels he can beat, will generate revenue, and most importantly, where he will get the largest cut of the revenue.

    When you fight bigger name guys, they "deserve" more money. Floyd doesn't like to share that much as far as I can tell. Maybe other things are said in the media (drug tests or whatever), but I suspect it basically comes down to who gets what percentage from the fight. In other words, who is the "mack daddy".
     
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    It's almost like their styles in the ring are the same as their approach to their careers.

    Margarito was something like 158 on fight night. Manny seems unafraid to accept challenges even if it means fighting above his weight.

    Floyd on the other hand seems to have all his fighters hand picked so he can keep his undefeated record.
     
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    If this fight happens, you wait to see what the Vegas odds makers make the fight. They aren't stupid. I bet you won't see so much Manny love from them. Manny is a great fighter and so is Mayweather. Manny IS a nicer guy, HAS fought tougher opponents and WILL fight anybody- I can't argue that. Despite all that- I still think Mayweather is better. You can kid yourself all you want- Manny has NOT fought anyone at Mayweather's level- not even close. Boxing is about skill - and Mayweather has more of it. Maybe not a LOT more than Manny, just more.
     
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    The odds are just based on the action. Vegas ideally wants even money on both sides. All they want is "the juice". They don't want to "gamble".

    From what I can tell, more people would have their money on Pac. Mostly because they just don't like Floyd. Of course that is just the general public (which may or may not actually put any money down). I don't really know what "serious" gamblers are thinking.
     
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    Nah Marine. Floyd's skills are fraudulent. They look good against B level but he was scared to put em in with A level like Cotto and Margarito. Margarito accepted 10% to 90% for Floyd, Cotto never cries over %s. Floyd is a clever con artist who has deceived the public into thinking he's some kind of technical defensive genius. Marine you bought the hype.

    $50,000,000 is flapping in his face to put those skills up against Manny Pacquiao and Floyd will not come out of hiding. That's the tell all about how good Floyd's skills really are.

    There is real and there is counterfeit and often it's hard to tell the differennce without a magnifying glass. Pac is the real mccoy and Floyd is the counterfeit.
     
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    I wish they would have a fight to make it clear who is right but I don't think it will ever eventuate :(
     
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    Mayweather is afraid. He is probably the favorite, but there's something about Manny that's got him shook. He's waiting for Manny to get even more distracted by politics, lose half a step, then fight him. This would be the fight of the century for boxing. I say that because far as I'm concerned, it's a dying sport.
     
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    from watching them skip rope, floyd has better "hops" than manny. agree, disagree? floyd has vince carter hops. pacman has yao ming hops.
     
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    May help Money deliver that Superman punch.
     
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    I agree. Floydie has been hopping away way to well not to face Pac.

    For all the ignorant things the Mayweathers have said, I hope this fight will happen.
     
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    Is it tru Money's Dad and Uncle are training MMA fighters?
     
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    Its never going to happen. Better for us all to simply forget about it.
     
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    this fight not happening would be like Federer and Nadal never playing. Like Ali and Frazier never fighting. Like Bird and Magic never playing in the playoffs. Shame on Fraudweather for ducking this fight.
     
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    When Money needs Dollars, this match-up will make sense and happen.
     
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    I think it would be hilarious when Money is broke for Pac to walk away from boxing and never fight him. After all the crap he was put through to try and make it happen I would never fight him now.
     
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    I agree - that would be a beautiful thing. Unfortunately, my friends in The Phil say Manny throws his money around like candy too - so he may be looking for one more payday in the future too.
     
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    Only heard of one fighter who retired, did not come back for money, and was rarely heard from again.......Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
     
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    and lennox lewis, though not as classy or great as MM, but still not bad
     
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    Seemed Lewis was in semi-retirement nearly as bad as Mayweather. Btw, does anyone ever defend the Heavyweight title? At least Jean Pascal/Bernard Hopkins is on tonight.
     
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    Just saw a story on one of the UK sites I peruse that claimed he had a very solid net worth.
     
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    Read 90M euros or as high as 145M $$$$$, found that land of critical mass.
     

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