Mantis PRO 295

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  1. Anton

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    Ran into this little pro stock wannabe from Mantis while browsing:

    Head Size: 98 sqi
    Color: Matte Black
    Strung Weight: 11.1 oz
    Strung Balance: 6 Points HL
    Strung Swing Wt: 299
    String Pattern: 16x19
    Stiffness (RDC): 60
    Beam Width: 21/21/21mm
    Length: 27"

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    Interesting....Any plans from TW to carry this one?
     
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  2. seekay

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    I got to hit with one of these a few weeks ago, and it was promising -- very solid and stable. The stock weight was a little light for my preference, but f course that can be fixed.

    I also heard a rumor that there's a heavier version of the same frame in the works.
     
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  3. Anton

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    Thanks for your feedback,

    I really like rackets that have a solid, firm feel throughout the loop, like Tour 90's. How was the upper loop on this one?

    As far as adding weight, this racket is pretty much made for that.
     
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  4. seekay

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    I can't say for sure; I traded racquets with our local Mantis rep for a few minutes' of warm-up hitting before a clinic, so I was only hitting moderate groundstrokes. I don't recall any shots that felt unstable, so it's pretty likely that the upper hoop is going to do what you want. Definitely worth a demo when they come out.
     
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  5. BORG

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    Comfort feedback

    I am really interested in this racket, the specs sounds promising.

    Have you any comments on the comfort? I have a sensitive elbow so I.m a little worried about stiffness.

    I´m also interested in how it performs according to spinn.

    Please also se this youtube clip: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtrLjsTF7Kk

    Best regards
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  6. phishbiscuits

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    Mantis 305 WAS my stick of choice

    But, as others have suggested, anything that light is unsuitable without serious customization. I can never get the lead tape balance "just right," so I gave up.

    They are beautiful racquets and I like high modulus carbon fiber a lot.

    Unloading four. Check classifieds.
     
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  7. Anton

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    My concern with 305 is that it will be too powerful, once I weight it up.

    I'm basically looking for something like ProStaff 85, at 12oz+ but with around 95-98 racket head size

    Can you comment on loop response on 295? Is it soft or firm?
     
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  8. Anton

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    Ok my curiosity is going to get the best of my wallet on this one, Christmas is nigh :)

    I just wish Mantis handle shape was more Wilson like :(
     
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  9. SteveI

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    Where can one obtain this frame???
     
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  10. Anton

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    HOPEFULLY ON TENNIS WAREHOUSE REAL SOON!!! :)



    For now, google it, something will come up. ;)
     
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  11. SteveI

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    Liking the specs.....:) Hope TW brings it in soon also
     
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  13. Chotobaka

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    Incongruous that this is actually 6pts head light (strung no less) at that weight. It would be as stable as a fly swatter. Great looking racquet though. I love this weight class as a platform for customization.
     
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  14. Anton

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  15. Anton

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    So I went ahead and ordered it with a hybrid string job (MultiM,PolyX) and a leather grip - should be here on wednesday.
     
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  16. db10s

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    Specs are like a lighter Bio Max 200G.
     
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  17. SteveI

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    Thanks.... I will..
     
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  18. SteveI

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    This frame is much softer and a very low SW compared to the Bio Max 200G. The mold looks more like the newer Dunlop shape (400 Tour), than the standard Dunlop Tour Spec shape.
     
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  19. phishbiscuits

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    Handle Shape IS WILSON-Y

    I played exclusively with the 305 Tour for six months after making a switch from Wilsons. They are the "standard" shape (not like Head/Volkl/Prince).
     
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  20. Anton

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    What is "standard"?

    I've played with leaded up Mantis 285s for a while and found the grip shape is similar to Head, maybe just a little less rectangular
     
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  21. crosscourt

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    I think the handle is a Dunlop shape.
     
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  22. Anton

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    I have Dunplop rackets - they are more square (equal sided) then Mantis grip.
     
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  23. Anton

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    Behold the stock, clothed in Forten leather grip - 304g 5.5 points head light (measured without dampner) strung with full multi.

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  24. Anton

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    Behold the Beast - 16g on lower handle, 14g on loop - 345g/12.2oz total, 7 points hl.

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    Just needs some poly on the crosses (guts-n-glory screwed up my order slightly and strung it with full multi)
     
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  25. snoopy

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    Cool! The specs on this frame are just what I'm looking for: open pattern, not too stiff, not too heavy, and a headlight balance. It would be lots of fun to tinker with something like this. But specs never truly tell you how a frame will play. So, I'm really looking forward to your review.

    What would you descibe Mantis' head shape? Is it narrow and long like Dunlop's or a bit rounder like Wilson's?

    Although I'm not crazy about Dunlop frames, for the price I'm tempted to try this one:

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Dunlop_Aerogel_4D_300_3Hundred/descpageRCDUNLOP-D4D3T.html
     
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  26. Anton

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    It is more round than 300 shape.

    Anyway, played some doubles with this frame today.

    I really liked the feel and power level of this frame. Solid and stable with good feedback. I was able to go for heavy shots with good deal of confidence on the forehand side, no surprises, no hotspots.

    On the my serve and volleys I did feel the stringbed was too lively and the ball poped up more then I would have liked, so I think I'll take off a bit of weight...at least until I restring and get some poly in there.
     
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  27. Marcus

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    Picked up one of these to demo...

    RA printed on the frame is 67 ??
     
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  28. Anton

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    that's unstrung probably
     
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  29. crosscourt

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    You surprise me. I have the Tour 315s - excellent rackets - and the grips are very much like a Dunlop.
     
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  30. Anton

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    So finally got some serious rallying in and two sets of singles.

    Changed the lead setup - took off 4 grams from 3+9 to lower power and swing-weight and added 2 grams on the V throat for better load up.

    So now I have

    10 grams lead spanning entire loop from 8 to 4
    2 grams on the throat
    12 grams on bottom half of the handle.
    Leather + OG + rubber band

    Now the racket is not quite the wall it was, but I can still load up the swings nicely (but now even faster) and my gas pedal is greatly improved - I can really choose the depth and placement on my shot. The slices, blocks, volleys and serves also became much more controlled and didn't pop up like before. This combined with what is still a very predictable string bed really took the control to the next level.

    Considering I've been playing with Tour 90" rackets for while now the 98" stringbed does feel biggish, but this racket still gives me tons of control, so I do feel I'm getting extra margin.

    This showed through in my match - my returns and general consistency were better then usual. I played pretty well, we had many great rallies and ended up splitting sets (I usually lost to this player in the past).

    Can't wait to get the poly into this racket.
     
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  31. Jerry Seinfeld

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    Anton,

    The mains are an MSV prototype multi. It is a multi with a limited number of poly strands incorporated to help add durability. Since you were using multi mains with poly crosses it was important to give you as much durability on the mains as possible. The cross strings are indeed poly based...they are MSV Focus EVO. MSV EVO tends to be a bit less harsh when blended with synthetics.
     
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  32. Anton

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    My mistake, apologies to guts-and-glory. I noticed strings were not the same but they both looked like multis

    That explains why I didn't hate the strings, as I usually do hate full multi string beds.

    But now it looks like I may have to go to full poly or maybe higher tension or string gauge...though from what I read MSV Focus Evo is very elastic, so possibly my regular poly (Hyperion) with NXT2 on mains may work out better.
     
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  33. TeamHumphrey

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    comfort level?

    Anton, since you have played with the 285 with similar customization efforts, I would value your opinion regarding the relative stiffness of the 285 and 295.

    TW lists the RA of the Mantis 285 as 66, and the Mantis 300 and Tour 305 as 67. The Pro 295 RA RDC of 60 looks good to me, but the fact that the racquet has "67" printed on the frame concerns me a bit.

    Finally, beyond stiffness, any observations regarding comfort level would be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
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  34. Anton

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    It feels softer and lower powered than my 285s.

    I'd put it at around 62 - feels like the loop is firm up top but there is some flex felt around mid section. This is opposite of similar stiffness Prestige MP, where flex is more throughout the loop.

    With about 6 grams distributed on 3+9 racket really becomes very sweet and comfy feeling.

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    Played some more today...I still feel the rebound angle is too high - I will be cutting out the strings and putting in full stringbed of Hyperion, if this doesn't work I'll be dumping this frame and hoping 18x20 or 95" vision comes out at some point, because this is really a special frame and it's really too bad they made it so open.
     
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  35. TeamHumphrey

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    I just pulled the trigger on one of these -- both dreading and looking forward to the customization process. I expect my final destination to be around 340g, 6pts head light, gut/poly hybrid -- but of course that is merely speculation.
     
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  36. Anton

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    Going to try my setup? It's actually right at 340g
     
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  37. Anton

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    So tried it with my regular hybrid - NXT2 16g on mains Hyperion 16g on cross at 60lbs.

    Smoother feel with more spin...and MORE rebound angle WTF. :evil:

    I love the way it swings, but keeping the ball in on full swing is tough without a lot of brush up, feel like I have to hold back.

    Getting it restrung again, this time with full polly.
     
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  38. TeamHumphrey

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    I may work up to your setup, Anton -- going to see where I am with overgrips and 1-2 grams on the handle, then add weight at 10, 12, and 2 to correct the balance as necessary. I want to play around with a lower overall weight, but I do expect to end up with something close to your setup (340g) depending on where I want the sweet spot.
     
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  39. TeamHumphrey

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    Racquet should arrive today, with MSV Soft-touch 17g at 50/54. I am interested in how that string plays, but I generally prefer the poly.

    I hope you can get the trajectory you need with the full poly string bed. I've been hitting with a 16x18 95", so I might prove to be more accustomed to the launch angle/spin window.

    I'll report back in a couple days after getting some time on the court.
     
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  40. Anton

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    Wow 17g multi at low 50s? I hope you got a full western grip :)
     
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  41. TeamHumphrey

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    LOL -- wasn't my choice, picked up a slightly used one. Arrived today, beautiful racquet, feels great as is in the living room -- but I know better than to try and make it work stock.
     
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  42. TeamHumphrey

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    I've added 6g to the hoop and 22g to the handle -- total is now 336g, balance around 6pts headlight. I have a court date on Sunday to try it out.
     
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  43. Anton

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    Well I gave it a good run but at some point I gotta call it quits - the stringbed just plays too open for my style, even with full poly at 62 lbs. Really liked the racket all other respects.
     
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    Anton, sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you -- let me know if it needs a rescue (you wouldn't even have to take the lead off).

    I finally hit with it today -- the results were pretty good, though I need to move some of the weight around.

    I was splitting time between the Mantis and a Blade93 demo that finally arrived. The Blade93 is scary good overall. If the Mantis wasn't a sunk cost already, I'd be planning some more demo time to decide between the Blade93 and the Vcore Tour 89.

    The Mantis was promising enough today to stay in my bag -- I'll continue to tweak it for a few weeks and move back to the Blade Vcore debate if I can't get it dialed in quite right.
     
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  45. Anton

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    Well taking the lead off is moot now, considering I broke it in 5 places in a temporary flash of insanity after missing a second overhead in a row and losing two tie break match.

    Looking back on it now it was a night of good tennis...minus a lost tournament and broken racket. :twisted:

    Anyway I think 295, setup right, would make an awesome racket for someone who plays a patient game with a lot of spin and placement.
     
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  46. BORG

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    spinpotential? mantis pro 295

    For you who have playtested Mantis pro 295. The string bed is open, how is the spin potential and comfort? Have you got any compairison with Mantis 305 of overall playability?
     
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  47. BreakPoint

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    I hope so because the specs on the Pro 295 look way too light to be usable.
     
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    The Mantis pro 295 looks to me as a Head MG Radical with a 16*19 stringpattern. Maybe someone could compare the two? Are they anything a like?
     
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    Anyone?




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  50. Anton

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    295, with my lead setup at least, was VERY comfortable, especially with multi on mains. Compared to 305 it feels more stable and plush per maneuverability.

    Spin is big due to great frame balance ( at least as i had it setup) and very easy main movement in the stringbed.

    My only problem was high launch angle.
     
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