Mardy Fish, Clay Court Specialist

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  1. Breaker

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    MARDY WINS!! d. Melzer 3-6 6-4 6-3.
     
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  2. Topaz

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    This was the first time I've really gotten a chance to see Mardy Fish play, and I was really impressed. He came out strong against Haas, and came back to dominate today. Also, he looked pretty comfortable sliding on that clay IMO.
     
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  3. Chadwixx

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    Just shows how weak the houston field really is. This guy couldnt win a round at monte carlo.
     
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  4. Jonas

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    The field in Houston certainly isn't as tough as the Euro tourneys, but Fish had a fairly tough road to the championship. I certainly didn't see this coming. Fish won a challenger at Tallahassee last week and now a fairly large atp even this week. I would love to see him climb back up into the top 25 where he really belongs. He's got the most talent/game of any of the top US young players (roddick/blake/ginepri/dent)
    I thought we had a very solid team when Fish was playing #2 snigles in Davis Cup as well.
     
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    He got lucky when Haas retired
     
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    Now, I am not surpised that Roddick was in 5 straight finals there but usually struggles in Europe... no matter what people are saying, I think if you only can win in fairly large European tourneys, then you know how to play on clay.. I don't care about Houston at all..

    Europe is where the best of the best clay court players play.
     
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  7. andfor

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    Never saw this one coming, especially for you Chad. Come on, winning a tour stop is a good achievement. It's pretty heady stuff for most tennis players Even is you don't like American tennis players, who happen to be about your same age, and are jealous they make a living playing tennis and you don't, you gotta take your hat of to Mardy.

    Congrats to Mardy Fish Houston winner and to Nicolas Almargo Valencia winner this week on the ATP Tour. BTW...the phenom Almargo won the clearly superior tour stop in Valencia against the future Hall of Famer Gilles Simon. House hold names in Valencia and Europe. Wish I could have seen that one instead of Houston on the Tennis Channel.

    I am sure a bunch of the same folks will come here to pile on Mardy. Predictable.
     
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  8. arky-tennis

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    i never saw that coming. i saw the first round match and never thought he would win the entire tourney.
     
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    I always thought Fish was a loser. He proved me wrong.
     
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    Mardy isn't a loser, he's just... unfocused. He's had some splashes of brilliance in his career (getting to the final of a Masters event without losing serve counts, right?). He has Top 20 talent, he just has to make up his mind to use it and get back there. He has a wonderful all-court game that is fun to watch and now that's he fitter he should start moving better. He has no points to defend for the rest of the year, so don't be surprised if he moves up the rankings this year just like James Blake did last year.

    He is going to move up almost 100 places in the entry rankings because of this win. He could be back in the Top 100 within the next two weeks if he wins one of these Challengers on his schedule.
     
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    I agree Fee...I thought he was a lot of fun to watch. I would love to see more! Maybe Blake's comeback will inspire him to do the same.
     
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    Fish hopefully will start going further into tourneys if this gives him confidence. I like watching his game style but are my nuts or does he hit NO topspin almost on his forehand?
     
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    He has very good amount of topspin off his forehand. I don't know the exact RPM's verses Fed or Nadal but trust me he hits it with topspin. Did you get to go to Memphis and watch the pros back in Feb.? They all hit with lots of topspin. Mardy is a big hitter and to keep those shots in the court you have to have topspin. He hits a big ball and no your not nuts. TV slows down the speed and makes every thing flatter verses real life, I can see why you ask.

    Are you ever positive about anything or at least anything to do with tennis period? He still won 3 matches, the title and his trophy says champion on it. It does not say only won 3 matches.
     
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  15. arky-tennis

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    andfor: i saw him first row in the middle behind the baseline, its more of a comparison I guess.
     
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  16. BreakPoint

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    Yes, very surprising indeed. I watched Fish lose to Murray in the first round at the SAP Oepn in Feb. In fact, Murray manhandled Fish, 6-2, 6-2. Fish definitely looked rusty.
     
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    Good for Fish, he deserved to win. I was bummed because Melzer lost, then lost the doubles final too. Maybe JM can win in Austria before the French.

    Speaking of the French, is the Izod/ Lacoste stuff different in France? I mean the tennis clothes, not the trendy stuff. They have an Izod store in Ral, NC which carries the trendy stuff.
     
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    Only in america can a yankee be given an easy ride to the finals and win on a fake claycourt.

    I wonder how much those walkovers cost the tournament and sponsors. hmmm.

    3 matches won doesn't make a champion only a chumpion.

    Mardy fishstick you're a joke.

    Has, no mas! mardy!
     
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  19. J-man

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    maybe this win will give him some confidence. he's been in the dumps for a while. but i will say one thing. if anything i wouldn't have guessed that his next title would have come on clay
     
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  20. Chadwixx

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    The semi finalists were Meltzer, Fish, Goldstein, and an injured Haas. If you think thats a strong clay court field go ahead.

    Fish played 3 matches to win a tournament. Can you tell me anyone who has won fewer matches to take home a title?

    This field is always weak, look at the man who dominated the tournament, Andy roddick. He sure has been successful on the dirt hasnt he?
     
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    Regardless of whether or not you're a fan of Mardy Fish, or think his victory in Houston is 'valid', look at his Main Level ATP tournament titles & finals appearances:

    2003-Stockholm, Indoor Hard (W)
    2006-Houston, Outdoor Red Clay (W)
    2003-Cincy, Outdoor Hard (F)
    2003-Delray Beach, Outdoor Hard (F)
    2003-Nottingham, Grass (F)
    2004-Athens Olympics, Outdoor Hard (F)
    2004-Halle, Grass (F)
    2004-San Jose, Indoor Hard (F)

    How many players who are say 'Top 100' Pros, w/o a great breakthrough (Inside the top 20 or so), have been able to make it to the finals of tournaments on 4 different surfaces. His game has the ability to adapt to quite a few surfaces.
     
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  22. tennis*bill

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    That was not 'fake clay' at the tournament. The club had the guys from Roland Garros come over from France over a month ago to lay the court properly this year. Last year was a fiasco when the club tried to do it themselves. It hurt the tournament rep, so they did the right thing this year and hired the professionals to do the job. True, the field is not the strongest, but neither was the field in Europe last week (although it looked stronger for clay). The walkovers and retirees did not help the draw, neither did some of the early losses. But you can't control that and have to play whoever is left.
     
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  23. Simon Cowell

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    Lol, you must be so jealous. Mardy is living the life on tour with his buds like Blake and just won an ATP tournament, something you'll never do. So continue to post on message boards, calling people a joke, and posting your tension and racquet as if someone gives a flying zilch.
     
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  24. Chadwixx

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    Lol, there's always one that posts that nonsense. Usually we find them in the williams sisters threads where the big brains come out :)
     
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    Don't know how factual this is, but the broadcasters said that they even had the clay shipped over from France too. Talking about it being crushed brick and all. In Mattess Macs 1/2 hour show, he (or they) said that the Houston Club has all four Grand Slam surfaces. Why do they have to re-lay clay every year for this one tournament? Hosting this tournament, they should just leave it on the center court all year long.
     
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  26. arky-tennis

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    maybe for the stadium court? I dunno.
     
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  27. Simon Cowell

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    That's true, the clay was brought over from FRANCE. So the idiots who were calling it fake are basically disproved. /shakes head. I bet marty is enjoying that check and his ATP title today while haters are busy posting rubbish online lol. I feel sorry for some of you.
     
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  28. andfor

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    To answer your questions (something you rarely do):
    1. I don't know. I am sure it's not the first time it's ever happen on the ATP Tour and one of those defaults occured while the match was in progress. But, that's Mardy's fault acoording to you, right? Even if it's not why do you think that makes his achievement any less? In 20 years the only thing anyone (other than you) will remember is Fish was the Champion of Houston is 2006. Your a tennis coach right? You should know better than to rail on a tennis players accomplishments under these uncontrolled circumstances. He signed up, showed up and won. Because he gets a couple of defaults is his opponents problem not his for winning. Maybe those guys who defaulted are just big PUSSIES. All I am saying is give Mardy some credit.
    2. At one point 2-3 years ago Andy Roddick actually had a decent Clay Court record. Yea, I know he sucks now...............

    Now answer a couple of questions for me:
    1. Quantify for me how Valencia with Simon, Almagro, Safin and Verdasco was so much better than Houston's semi-final? Take Fish's ranking and Almargo ranking out of the equation since they won and see what you come up with. If you think winning Houston is not an accomplishment during the same week as Valencia you're just splitting hairs.
    2. Why do you seem to have so much hate for American Tennis Players, the USTA, the US Open and most stuff American? Are you an American citizen or not? I know you live here in the states, I'm just trying to understand your hate. Please don't hate me for asking, although I am sure you already hate me anyway.
     
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    I don't think they have to re-lay the clay every year, they just have to do maintenance on it, especially the stadium court. That's the court that gets a hardcourt put on top of it for the team tennis season in July. Maybe they do actually pull the clay up completely and lay down a hardcourt, but that seems like a boatload of work. The outer courts stay in place all year. Yes, Westside has 2 grass courts, 2 rebound ace courts and 2 USO hardcourts. I think it has 5 clay courts and the rest are all basic cement/hardcourts. That's my vague memory of the club I saw in 2003, but I wouldn't be surprised it they had to change a few things around since then. I think someone on this board lives in Houston so perhaps he will stop by to fill us in.
     
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  30. arky-tennis

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    I went there after the clay courts last year and they were tearing the stad. court up. BTW, i think 4 grass? Dunno.
     
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  31. Chadwixx

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    I never said it was his fault. Someone said he had a hard path and i pointed out that it wasnt very tough.

    I never said Valencia was a tough draw, but safin makes it an elite event.

    I like many american tennis players, just not the ones that you do. Tennis is an ivdividual global sport.. Ive played people of many races and colors, it doesnt matter to me where they are from or what they look like. Its all about their tennis.

    Yes, i am a us citizen.
     
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  32. andfor

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    Fish won 3 matches in 3 sets including the finals. That's pretty tough. He had nothing to do with the other two guys wimping out.

    Houston was an elite event also becuae Roddick was there, he's # 4 in the world. Safin was in Valencia on a Wild Card currently ranked #49. We know how you feel about Roddick. Why does Safin get a free pass in the Book of Tennis According to Chad? If Safin is so elite why did he not win? Admit it, biggest difference between Valencia vs. Houston was location.

    Good to hear you're a fellow American. I was beginning to wonder. Often you come across as bitter torwards your country, the USTA and many American pros who are about your age. What did Fish and Roddick do to you? Did you fight them at a junior tournament or clinic once? :D

    Postive Chad! Let's be more positive.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    FYI, San Jose was Indoor Hard.
     
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    "Houston was an elite event” surely you must be kidding. NASDAQ is an elite event, the Houston tournament had 2 top 10 players who obviously cannot play on clay.
    It was more like a futures tournament than an elite event. Fish wins, 2 walkover rounds, he still does not look in form. I watched several matches and saw better matches in futures events. The draws were very weak again this year.
     
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    BreakPoint, its been changed.
     
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  36. Chadwixx

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    Safin gets respect because he can beat the top guys. Roddick is a paper champion who never beats any top players (1 top10 win since jan 2005).

    I could careless about the location, houston has always been a weak field.

    Btw, some guys call winning three matches a davis cup weekend. Not a tournament.
     
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  37. arky-tennis

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    chad, i am guessing you were not the person cheering for 'fishy' (what a man was yelling behind me). Am i right?

    :)
     
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    Fish has to be one of the luckiest guys this year. Beating 2 guys he's never beaten before and 2 guys not being able to play. You can't really say he earned his money.
     
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  39. Chadwixx

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    The fish foundation never sent me my check so i decided to stay at home for this one :)

    I have nothing against fish, just the people who are acting like he won a grand slam. He won three matches against players with losing records.
     
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    Chadwixx said it first about Valencia using the #49 ranked player in the world Safin to say Valencia was an elite event. I just countered his debate using the same logic saying Houston was elite because they had the #4 ranked player in the world Roddick.

    Get over it Barry.
     
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    I'd say beating two guys he's never beaten before is earning your money.
     
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    Yep, I would agree...

    Being the last one standing in a field of 32 players (plus some qualifiers) who all want to be the last one standing - sure, it's not as much of a deal as being the best in a field of 64 or 128, but it's a tournament nevertheless.
     
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    Mardy on clay, like fish in the water. Anywhere but in Europe or Latin America, that is.
     
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    ......... He showed up for the match, they didn't or couldn't finish.... he earned it. Simple as that.
     
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  45. Moose Malloy

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    Fish just lost to Oscar Hernandez(ESP) in the QF of a challenger in Bermuda. On clay.
     
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    Where'd you find the results?
     
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    click on challengers under tournaments. wonder if Wimbledon will give him a WC or give them all to hapless British teaching pro types.
     
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    Mardy won't need a wildcard for Wimbledon. He is playing two more Challengers before the cut-off. If he wins one of those he should be in the Top 100 and just squeeze in.
     
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    Thanks, Moose. Didn't know that was there.

    Looks like he took out Flipper the previous round.
     
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    Baghdatis and blake were both in houston, i remember three months ago when Baghdatis made it to the final of the aussie open and all you guys talked about was how he's the next big thing, TW sold out of mspeeds because everyone on this board had to have his racquet. and last month when blake made it to a final and played federer, everyone on this board came up with "will james blake be number one this year" polls. so what a couple of people got hurt in this tourny and couldn't finish, it's not fish's fault, give him credit he won an atp tourny who cares if it's not a grand slam and he didn't beat federer to due it, he still won. thats more then anyone on this forum will ever accomplish in the world of sports
     
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