Maria Sharapova will never win another GS title...

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  1. jamesblakefan#1

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    Her shoulder just isn't good enough. She's a DF machine right now, just like Coria was before his eventual breakdown. There's more people today capable of handling her one dimensional, mindless ball bashing game plan. She's never been more than that really, but now she's less consistent and thus, less effective. Watching her attempt to come to the net is like a tragic comedy.

    And oh yeah, her screeching is worse than ever now that she sucks. The sad thing is, she'll probably make the USO QF b/c all the WTA girls are intimidated by her, when they shouldn't be. Her days of being top 5 are long gone, she'll be lucky to be top 10 again.

    Watching her makes me wonder how she ever managed 3 GS titles. Did I leave anything out? At least she looks better in her headband than she did in the visor, that's a plus. :D
     
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  2. grafselesfan

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    I tend to agree. She will never be the same player she was from 2004-2006 again. November 2007-March 2008 was her last blip of that kind of form you will ever see. I dont care for her and never did, but I do feel for her in a way as injury is a big part of that and that is always a sad thing to see. Then again even without the injury the limitations and one dimensional nature of her game has finally been figured out and is now being exposed, even by the current weak womens field.
     
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    She did look pretty hot tonight.

    I think she can still make some inroads. She's got too much power to not be in the top 5 at least.

    Did you see how she's been abusing her opponents' serve this week? If she were to get her serve up to "acceptable," she'd be in tomorrow's final.
     
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    It is too easy to just say she has too much power to not be in the top 5. Nicole Vaidisova hits the ball even harder than Maria and look where she is now. Yeah she had a chance to win todays match with decent serving but who was her opponent? A marginal top 20ish sort of player who I think has never gone past the round of 16 of a slam, certainly not someone she who will be a big hurdle to a slam title or even a top 10 ranking. Who is to say her serve will get any better? She has had major shoulder injuries linger since the start of 2007 and they are suddenly going to go away when they havent yet. I dont think so.

    By the time she gets her act together again, if she ever does (if her shoulder will even allow her to in fact) who is to say the womens field will be as awful as it has been since 2006. It has to improve at some point.
     
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    I wouldnt count her out quite yet. Especially in the state the WTA is in today. Venus essentially all washed up is managing success still and she is nowhere near the level she was long ago. Serena is far passed her prime, dedicating herself to the game a minute quantity of the time, and shes dominating at the slams. Im sure Sharapova can interject herself somewheres in the fold.

    I mean even Davenport came back.. Clijsters came back. Im just waiting for Henin.. All of these players who seemed to have retired are coming back.. Why? Well the opportunity is open there for anyone now.. Even a player who has been out for quite some time with injuries.. But Maria still has a slam. I wouldnt count a slam winner in today's pathetic WTA
     
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    If her shoulder doesn't get better at some point in the future you might be right.She needs to serve well to be able to win big titles,right now she's not able to do that.
     
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    Nicole Vaidisova did hit the ball hard, but she was also an even worse mover than Maria.

    It's not all about the power, though. The women's game is in such a bad state right now that just believing you can win puts you near the top of the game. There's a reason why Serena can take two months off between slams and still win them, and talent's only a part of it. She's got the will power and belief that she can take the game's biggest tournaments while overweight and out of shape. Sharapova has that same kind of confidence and even tonight, as she struggled, you could tell that she still thought she could leave with that match in hand. That's pretty amazing considering that she was so shaky on serve.
     
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    I would count this one out. I don't think she can beat Venus or Serena, did you see the whooping Venus gave her last wk?

    Safina I'd say is better than her...she is #1 after all. :D

    I get what you're saying a/b people coming back and having success-even Dokic made the AO QF. I don't think Maria's serve will hold up enough over 7 matches to allow her to be the same player that was able to win 3 slams. You still see flashes, but overall her game isn't as consistent as it used to be...she'll struggle even in the early rounds of slams b/c of her serve, and be too out of gas to step it up in the later stages of slams.
     
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    I think its still a little early to tell.. Its clear right now that with her current form she most likely wont win a slam again..

    But shes only 22 and id give her the rest of the year to return to form, and id expect her to return to the top 10 next year..
     
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    I have to agree with GameSampras and JerMar here. The womens field today is so PATHETIC that any slam winner, let alone a 3 time slam winner who beat closer to prime Serena and prime Henin in slam finals, cant ever be totally discounted. The field is just far too dreadful to count out someone with those credentials, no matter how much things seem against her now.
     
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    Maybe she'll win the French in 2010. Haha

    Wimby 2004? USO 2006? AUSO 2008?

    Maybe it's an even year thing. And the order... :]
     
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    They're not intimidated... they just suck as much or more. The WTA has been unwatchable for a while now.
     
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    Maria of 2004-2006 would pound the snot out of Safina on anything but clay where Safina might struggle to a win in 3 sets much of the time. Safina just isnt any good, you are one of the only ones who doesnt seem to realize this. I even remember you saying before the French that Safina with her "new" game would be bullying Henin around the court today and accused all those who didnt agree with it as being Henin worshippers who treated her like a god, LOL!

    Maria's biggest problem is her chronic shoulder. I dont like her, I think she is a vastly overrated and overmarketed player and I dont consider her at all in the league of Serena, Henin, or Venus. I also dont consider her level of tennis as high as even Davenport who retired with only 3 slam singles titles. However had it not been for her chronic shoulder she would still be more of a threat than the bumbling Safina for slam titles, and if she were willing to play enough tournaments would be the artificial #1 of today on the flawed computer rankings in place of Safina.

    Yes Safina is better than Maria right now, but had it not been for Maria's chronically bad shoulder she would not have been, probably ever. Career wise Safina will never achieve what Maria already has even if Maria retires tommorow, and Maria achieved a bit of hers back when there was some semblance of competition and a decent womens field in the game. I cant believe you forced me to defend Maria, LOL!
     
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    By many of your little potshots interspersed with some of your somewhat reasonable points it is clear you dont like Maria and are biased against her in the first place. Thus it is hard to take you seriously on this one.
     
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    I was talking about right now, and right now, yes, Safina is better than Sharapova due to Sharapova's shoulder and ineffective serving displays in every match.

    All your other potshots and filler doesn't matter to me...I admitted I was wrong a/b Safina @ the FO, ok? Does that make you happy? Did I just make your day?

    Who knows if Safina will get 3 slams or not. She's still got a long career ahead of her, IMO. At least 2-3 more yrs of top 10 tennis if she keeps her head together.

    "Maria 2004-2006 would beat the snot out of Safina on anything but clay"

    Safina did beat Sharapova when she was #1 in 2005 on Carpet.

    2005 MOSCOW CARPET Q D.SAFINA 1-6 6-4 7-5

    h2h overall is 3-3.
     
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  16. Andy G

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    who cares? she was never a dominant player anyway. her popularity came from her looks. she was good enough to win 3 majors. i would rather see her retire to modelling and get Henin back. Henin was a great player, she probably could beat a lot of the mens players.
     
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  17. grafselesfan

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    Yeah just like who knows if Nadal will get 10 U.S Opens or not. He has a better shot of it than Talentlessina winning 3 slams.

    Keeps her head together, like it was ever there in the first place, LOL!

    A total fluke, just like Safina's fluke win over Henin on clay you love to milk for all its worth. Fact is Safina very barely won her 2 matches on CLAY with Maria, Safina's best surface by far and Maria's worst by an enormous margin.

    Read above.
     
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    Let's not go overboard now. Henin was great, but she'd get double bagled by every men's player ranked in the top 1000. She's just not powerful enough to hang w/ any man, her power wasn't her strength..
     
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    Blah blah blah....I just gonna say what flying24 said to me to you. By many of your little potshots you fancy so much, interspersed with some of your somewhat reasonable points it is clear you dont like Safina at all and are biased against her in the first place. Thus it is hard to take you seriously on this one.

    We'll see how Safina pans out. I think she has at least a slam in her, you obviously beg to differ. We'll see.
     
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    ok, perhaps i over reacted, but i would still switch players
     
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  21. grafselesfan

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    Yes Henin's power wasnt a strength at all. That is why she regularly outpounded some of the famed big babes like Davenport and Capriati, even pre-prime Henin slugging peak Capriati off the court with vicious backhands on her worst surface in the 01 Wimbledon semis. That is why in all 4 of her 2007 matches with Serena she hit more clean winners than Serena, and in their U.S Open match on lightning fast hard court almost doubled Serena in winners- 30 to 17. I suppose she did all that just with finesse. :roll: Anytime you open your mouth about Henin it is sure to be comical. I hope your little dog she must have kicked someday is better now.
     
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    I have been consistent on my views of Safina ever since she became noteable enough to even be worth talking about last spring. So far she has done nothing to prove me wrong. I said she is a talentless mediocrity who wouldnt even be in the top 20 if she wasnt playing in the worst womes field ever, and yet even in the worst womens field ever wont ever win anything big. She continues to prove me right, and while she keeps making semis and finals she is further and further away from actually winning them each time out it seems. I also continue to predict everytime she reaches a big stage match she will self fall to pieces and she continues to prove me right there too. I continue to predict she will get destroyed everytime out by a Williams on a non clay surface and on that too she continues to prove me righ.

    Why would I reconsider any of my views on her. She has never given me any reason to pause and think I might be wrong. She only continues to validate my always held views on her.
     
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    Her variety was her strength and what separated her from the field. Her serve alone would get eaten up by any remedial men's player. And you attack me for that? Gosh, get over your self and get off of the high horse. You just sound like a self righteous jerk in most of your posts, it's such a pain having reasonable conversations w/ someone so...arrogant. :roll:

    There were also plenty of times where she got flat out overpowered by the WS and Sharapova, heck even Bartoli overpowered her at Wimbledon.

    I was just making the pt that her strength wouldn't stand up in the men's game, and you ostracize me? Stop acting like the Bud Collins of TTW, really.
     
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    Yes you hit all those winners past the power hitters, and consistently most times outwinner the power hitters just with "variety". That is why Martina Hingis (who has more variety than Henin) did so well hitting winners vs the power hitters right, LOL!

    Your hyperbolic diversions again? To be expected, just like your "Henin isnt a god, everyone is saying Henin is a god" rants when people lamented the current lame ass womens field missing someone of her caliber even as an out of shape/far past her former best Serena dominates with no competition, Venus shows little outside of Wimbledon, and the rest of the tour of hacks continue to hack it up. So you cant debate my comment properly without hyperbole so you resort to I must think I am the Bud Collins of TTW and name calling. Classic.

    Bartoli did not overpower Henin at Wimbledon. Henin blew the match with a pathetic choke and a horde of unforced errors and double faults. Again you use a flukish result to try and prove your point. Perhaps one should argue 30 year old journeywomen with soft groundstrokes and serves, who used to be NCAA or junior stars long time ago, are tough matchups for Serena on grass because Jill Craybas showed this. The next time Henin and Bartoli played Henin hit 30 winners to Bartoli's 2 on a lightning indoor court, so who is generally going to be badly overpowered in that matchup.

    Sharapova has overpowered Henin in only 2 of their 9 matches (the Miami match Henin lost due to errors and rustiness in one of her first matches back from injury), and in those 2 tournaments she was in unstoppable form and would have, and did, beat anyone she played. Venus has played prime Henin (April 2003 onwards) only once and she certainly didnt overpower her in that match, in fact she didnt even win a set. The last match Serena overpowered Henin was way back in Wimbledon 2003. The Miami 2008 match was more about Henin's inability to keep the ball in court than anything else. Their only recent match where either badly overpowered the other was Henin blasting Serena off the court in their U.S Open match on fast hard courts. Their other 4 matches it was mostly who was more consistent and mentally tougher.
     
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    I just don't like how you talk down to people, as if you're the be all and end all of the history of tennis. Like you're the tennis encyclopedia or something. :roll:

    That's where the Bud Collins thing came from. The overall tone of your posts come off as arrogant, and the "I'm always right" attitude you have really isn't what people like. I'm not the only one to notice it...the "holier than thou" act you play in the Fed/Pete debates grinds a lot of people's gears as well.

    You feel one way, I feel another. Agree to disagree. But don't act as if your opinion is the only one that can be right, ok?
     
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    HAHA

    Sharapova's garbage. She made 61 UE's and lost to WHO??

    She's still very pretty nontheless. :D
     
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    This is sad.
     
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  28. I fully agree, today she lost against Penetta, had 16!! (yes its true) doublefaults in 13 service-games...and this a woman who is a multi millionaire due to her tennis (at first at least,then came all the advertising etc). Pathetic!!
     
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    it would be a great idea for Sharapova to work on her net game now that she is having trouble with her serve.I would try to sneak in as often as possible the rest of the season even if it means losing matches along the way.

    that would really give her plan B and that put a lot less pressure on her shoulder
    can she win majors again.absolutely:)
     
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    Didn't Sharapova play like three matches in a row? Each night?
     
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    I wouldn't rush to count her out. The injury is still reaping its head, but she is still relatively young and can turn it around if she rehabs her shoulder properly this time around. 2 years ago I would have said Kuznetsova would never win another slam (Heck I questioned her ability to even win a tier I title) and she won this years French Open. Anything is possible, Sharapova is talented and what she did at the 2008 australian open is still lurking in her...whether she gets to the point where her body allows it to come out again....only time will tell.
     
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    You cant count out a girl who is only 22, who already has 3 slams, and is playing in the worst womens field in history. That is like saying you know she will never get healthy or improve her current form again, even with many years to possibly do it, and that the field is certain to improve much from what it is now in the coming years. I am no Maria fan but I would actually be surprised if she didnt win atleast 2 more slams to reach atleast 5. She will be lucky as heck to play in the era she plays in, especialy as she might well match her 2004-2006 form where she won 2 slams and had many times contending vs a very tough and much tougher field.
     
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    Never say never... she did manage to reach the QF of the French Open this year on a surface which she admits herself she sucks on, despite playing nowhere near her best and being defeated by notorious loser Alona Bondarenko not long before. Anything can happen in the WTA at the moment. Still she's probably done.
     
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    She made the QF of the French this year -- on her worst surface. She'll be back.
     
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    agreed... hopefully she recovers and plays great tennis again
     
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    Her forehand was crap :twisted:
     
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    Sharapova is talented IMO. However if she doesnt get her shoulder problem out of the way, she will never win another slam.
     
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    I disagree... she went through something similar before winning the AO. She'll be back with a vengeance... I see her winning another 2-3 slams before all's said and done.
     
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    She was talented. She may be fading out of her prime, but may make a comeback, who knows?

    She looks better in the visor.
     
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    As long as she does not run into one of the chokers prior to the semifinals she is good.

    If it is anyone outside of Serena in the top 10 vs. Maria in an early round my vote goes to the top 10 person...if it is a qf and up Maria gets it. Maria needs to hope in the US Open Safina does what she does as of late comes out in the early rounds and actually plays and can knock of Serena..Maria survives her draw and avoids the other william, stosur, azarenka and some random other player on a good streak and then meets Safina in the final. Sharapova's shoulder could tear, break and self combust but Safina will start crying...go WHY AM I SUCH A CHICKEN and give her the match. Probably after being up 6-0, 5-0, 40-love..as Sharapova is unable to move her arm. Safina will then fault every serve and hit every return of serve to New Jersey.
     
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    I really really hope that won't be the case. I really loved to watch Sharapova play back in her early pro days. It's tragic to see her in the condition she's in now.
     
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    Sharapova goes down early in the Open to Oudin. Her serve really is an embarassment, appears her shoulder is irreparapbly damaged from the wear and tear of that awful service motion. She'll never make another slam final, let alone win one due to her god awful serve.
     
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    I'm sure you won't win another either.
     
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    At least she has something to fall back on..she's pretty she can be a model :)
     
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    Sharapova's chances of winning another slamBlake's chances of winning his first slam
     
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    I am sorry to see her loose. I have been a fan since I saw her up close a few years ago at an Andy Roddick Foundation doubles match with Maria, Roddick, Blake and anothe female pro in her late 20's, blonde, big and with a knee brace. This was played in Boca Raton, Florida in front of about 1,000 people.I can't remember the woman's name but I remember feeling bad for her after the match. The was a line crazy dunba$$ fans 4 miles long in 102 degree heat waiting for Maria's autograph and the woman pro was just standing there alone for about 20 awkward minutes as people walked past her. It took me a hour and a half to finally get Maria's autograph.
    Maria was funny, beautiful, gracious, and tall. She played great and joked around on the court with Roddick. Not my thing but the crowd was digging it.
    She was dressed in tiny micro shorts and a tiny Nike T shirt that hugged her body. I remembered that best but there were two other things I got from that day.
    1) Roddick had amazing control. I was suprised at the deft touch around the court that he was able to display. Admittingly he wasn't playing all out tennis during this friendly exhibition match but that's what was so great. The rallies were purposely long and fun to watch and I truly saw much better hands on Roddick than Blake.
    2) Maria has strong solid powerful ground strokes. That is what I saw.
    Her groundstrokes were so smooth and powerfull. I was stunned equally at her ability to volly cripsly and accurately.
    I think that at 22 years old she still has a small window to be number 1 but it's all about the shoulder and serve. If she can ever learn to serve her entire game would rise to a level that would dominate the weak field in the WTA. She needs to fix her serve as it acts as an anchor weighing down her entire game.
     
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  48. grafselesfan

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    I am no Maria fan but outside her serve her game looks like it is coming back together. She is still an incredible fighter. If she can get her serve back I wouldnt put it past her to be in more slam finals and even win more given the weak current womens field, especialy once Serena reaches the point she more ages out of her prime. She is only 22 for crying out loud. I can see why some think she has been an overhyped player by some but she has still proven she can win. She isnt Safina, demented one, or Jankovic who are older than her and all have proven nothing but their inability to never win. Unless the womens field improves and if she gets her serve back which she has plenty of time to do, she will win more slams.
     
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    It's hard to say. If her problem is that her shoulder actually hurts, then she is likely done. I mean, surgeries do fail. Perhaps hers just didn't fix things well enough.

    If she is serving badly just due to timing, then of course there is hope for her.

    Do you think her calling the trainer was just gamesmanship? I think it was.
     
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    I'm not that big fan of Maria and her one dimensional game(I think she's hot though)but she's a fighter,one of the few mentally tough players in WTA at the moment so I hope she gets back to her 2008 AO level and contend for slams again.
     
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