Martin Laurendeau is to blame for Canada's Loss!!!

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  1. Amelie Mauresmo

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    The Canadian Davis cup captain Martin Laurendeau is a MORON!!! Why did he make Vasek Pospisil play singles and doubles matches? Was it wise for Vasek to play both singles matches and the doubles rubber? Vasek was exhausted and I blame Laurendeau, for not giving Frank Dancevic a chance to play the first rubber against Djokovic. This guy is an idiot, he over extends Vasek, he BLEW IT!!! Poor Vasek was so tired in his match against Tipsarevic he gave it everything he had but the young man lacked he energy. Laurendeau, he messed up big!
     
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    Uh, you claim that Pospisil is actually a better player than Raonic. If that's true, and given the fact he and Nestor are the go-to guys for doubles, why WOULDN'T he play 3 matches? Hell, Berdych and Stepanek are doing everything for the Czech Republic, just the two of them. In any case, Tipsarevic is a better player than Pospisil. It wouldn't have mattered if he was a bit more rested.

    Nonsensical post, Amelie Mauresmo. Calm down a bit.
     
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    Amelie Mauresmo poster is an idiot. That's all there is to it.
     
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    Although Amelie exaggerated a lot, and I don't think it would make a difference really, playing Dancevic on Friday is not a bad idea.
    However they might have thought that Novak could be tired and jetlagged, ...

    Anyway, hindsight is always 20/20 and it is easy to be the general after the battle. Calling DC captain "a moron" is clearly incorrect and wrong.
     
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    There has been a ton of hoopla about Canadian tennis these days, for good reason, but it has to slow down a bit. Canada is getting better but they're not a team deep in talent. They rely on a certain few individuals to get the job done. Raonic will always have two singles matches and Pospisil will usually play two singles matches and the doubles match.

    Canada doesn't yet have the luxury to throw lesser players into big matches just so they can rest their better players. They rely heavily on their top players in every match.
     
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    I think the hype will die down a bit, Canadian men tennis has made great strides in 2013. I feel Vasek has to get more consistent in singles. He has an opportunity with a top 45 ranking but this loss shows he has a long way to go. Vasek needs to do better on a consistent basis on the tour.
     
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    This I agree with.

    By the way, AM, I may have disagreed with your post but I'll say I admire your passion. Sounds like you were really invested in this and you took it pretty harshly. Not to worry, Canada's getting right back on the horse in January. I just know those guys are already chomping at the bit to get started again.
     
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    The matches against Djokovic were lost before they started, so resting Pospisil would have been a good idea. Most everyone agreed that Canada's only hope was to Have Pospisil win against Tipsy. There wasn't going to be a third win anywhere else.
     
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    At least this shows Canada has a team that can make It here again.

    Maybe third time lucky next time in the SF!
     
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    Well Vasek is better than Raonic or Dancevic at doubles so he was always going to play the last 2 days.

    I do admit maybe Frank could have played Novak in round 1, but the issue there was that you lose just about the only edge Canada had on Novak: the fact that he played just a few days prior
     
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    Canada being 2-1 up after the doubles was as big as it could get.

    Raonic certainly has the game to beat Djokovic on a good day but in the Davis Cup semis in Belgrade. I doubt it.

    Nole is always at 200% when playing Davis Cup and if things turn bad for Serbia, the crowd will turn it upside-down and making the Belgrade Arena the most horrible place to play on earth.

    Canada made the most of his chances in this 2013 edition and they could be potential winners if Peliwo makes the most of his potential but for now it's still a bit too early.
     
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    I agree that playing Dancevic against Djokovic in the first rubber would have been a good strategy. Asking Pospisil to play three best of 5 set away matches in a row on 3 consecutive days on slow red clay is just asking way too much. Who did the captain think Pospisil is? Pete Sampras?
     
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    first thing that popped into my mind before was how stupid they scheduled it. They have an entire team. USE IT. It's called strategy. Pospisil playing 3 in a row was completely idiotic. There's not way to sugar coat it
     
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    didn't know anyone here had experience as a davis cup coach. you all are so smart i'm sure you could do a better job than laurendau. right or wrong he had his reasons for playing pospisil on friday. anyway, regardless of who played it was always a huge stretch to think canada would beat serbia in serbia on clay with djokovic playing
     
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    I didn't know that making the choice between playing Vasek 3 times in 3 days vs playing Frank required a 12 year post secondary PHD in Davis Cup Coaching
     
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    I think it simply came down to Canada wanted to give themselves the best chance to win in every match. If they were intent on managing fatigue, maybe they would have played Dancevic in the first rubber against Djokovic, but I don't think that was the priority. Dancevic had absolutely no shot while perhaps Pospisil had a slim chance and Canada undoubtedly wanted to take that slim chance.

    Why are people complaining anyway? Look around at the other teams. You'll see a lot of them do the same thing. It's really not a big deal that Pospisil had to play three matches. It happens and I bet nobody involved is feeling one bit sorry about it.
     
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    I wish the DC format required teams to use their bench. The Czechs are there just playing Berdych and Stepanek. Canada got as far as it did with Raonic, Pospisil and Nestor. I would like to see the singles limted to one match each requiring 4 separate singles players. That would restrict Canada which begins to get thin once you get by the big three and Dancevic, but DC supremacy shouldn't just be all about one-trick ponies! Just my thoughts.
     
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    who said it did? :confused:
     
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    Your post clearly implied that only people who had Davis Cup coaching experience were in a position to criticize Laurendeau's choice. Of course, that's a ridiculous proposition. For instance, I can make a perfectly valid critique against bombing Syria without being a national leader or UN diplomat.

    Back on point, I was actually critical of Landrieu for doing the exact same thing against the Italians. In that tie, he played Vasek in the 1st match against Seppi despite being a huge underdog (keep in mind this was before Vasek's breakthrough and when he was very lowly-ranked). Vasek ended up losing that 1st singles match in 5 sets after blowing a 2 set lead (not the last lead Vasek choked away this year) and I was seriously concerned that would fatigue him for the doubles the following day. Fortunately, Canada pulled out that marathon doubles match and Milos coasted to victory in his 2 matches to make it a moot point. But I still think it was a stupid decision since, if Italy had won the doubles (which they came very close to doing), Vasek would have been playing a 3rd straight day to decide the tie after 2 previous 5-set matches.

    I wasn't so critical of the decision to start Vasek against Djoker since Novak was only a few days removed from a Nadalovic match across the ocean and only came to Serbia on Wednesday I believe. Thus, major jetlag and fatigue were a real possibility without the benefit of hindsight, especially since this was a major issue in Serbia's post-USO tie a couple years ago (I think against Argentina?). If it wasn't for that fact, then I would absolutely agree it would be stupid to put in Vasek for that futile 1st match.

    With hindsight, it turned out that Novak had a lot left in the tank and therefore his 2 matchs were a lost cause anyway, but Vasek got creamed so badly that first match I highly doubt he lost too much energy. I still think the decision against Italy was much worse, since it could have cost Canada a winnable tie, whereas here I don't think Vasek had a chance against Tipsy on clay anyway. Canada pretty much lost this tie the moment Serbia were drawn as hosts and picked clay.

    One strategy that might have been worth trying but which would be highly unethical (and possibly against the rules?) would be designating Milos as the #2 singles player, enabling him to play Djoker on the Friday when he was most vulnerable from jetlag/fatigue and changing surfaces.
     
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  20. Amelie Mauresmo

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    So what is your point? We know that Frank nor Vasek would of beaten Novak so why not use Frank? Why waste Vasek in the first rubber, waste the man's mental, emotional energy? Vasek was out of it he did not even try.
    Martin Laurendeau made a stupid mistake! You do NOT make a young player play three DAYS IN A ROW!!! How dumb is that man? Geesh! Pospisil was overextended he was TIRED he had a 4 hour doubles on Saturday. Laurendeau messed up BIG TIME! It showed against Tipsarevic how tired Vasek was! This is why it was DUMB of Martin Laurendeau to MAKE THE MAN play three damn days in a row! If Vasek had a day off maybe he would of had more energy to fight.
     
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    No you are an idiot you do not have logic or common sense. Making Vasek play THREE DAYS in a row was STUPID on Laurendeau's part the guy was TIRED on the third day!
     
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    He felt Pospisil had a small chance against Djokovic due to Djokovic's mental and physical fatigue after losing a tough US Open(of course, he was owned badly but that's in hindsight) while Dancevic just had no chance at all, no matter how fatigued Djokovic was. That's why he played Popsicle in the first match.
     
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    I am not so sure Pospisil, he is mentally fragile which he has proven again and again. The Canadian media are making it seem like Vasek is the next big thing? Is Vasek really? The guy hasn't had a good performance outside of Canada this year. He did reach a semifinal of a minor ATP event in Colombia I give him that.

    But even Ernest Gulbis MOCKED Pospisil at the Canadian Open this year when he said he can't do well outside of Canada. So far Ernest is correct, Vasek needs to prove he can WIN SINGLES MATCHES outside of Canada.


    Pospisil lost two 7-6 in the matches after his breakthrough in Montreal despite having multiple MATCH POINTS!!! I get this sense Vasek doesn't have a lot of self confidence, he doesn't really believe in himself or his talent.

    I like Vasek BUT he has a lot to prove he's in the ATP top 50 at number 41, but what is he going to do about it? He's good at doubles with Daniel Nestor and I acknowledge this. However, in terms of mental toughness in MEN SINGLES I don't see it. Vasek has to prove he can do well in SINGLES OUTSIDE OF CANADA. And yes, that means WINNING SINGLES matches outside of Canada.

    Vasek did not give himself a chance against Novak he just did not have the belief. I mean, okay yes Novak is number one, but Vasek already defeated himself BEFORE he got on the court, I read his comments prior to the match and you will see what I am saying.

    Frank Dancevic DID win a round at the US Open this year, something Vasek has not been able to do in his career I think. Vasek choked a first round match against a qualifier and had SEVEN MATCH POINTS.

    So, I am not sure sure Vasek is so much better than Frank. At the moment Vasek has a 41 ranking, but the next six months are going to be VERY INTERESTING, to see if Vasek CAN improve his ranking and move up or if he's going to implode as he usually does.
     
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    I've been a USTA league team captain for many years, and even I know that sometimes you have to arrange your line-up for the 5 matches to give your team the best chance to win the overall tie, even if that means sacrificing a match or two where you know your chances of winning are very slim. Unless you have a very deep superstar team where every player is awesome, trying to win every match against a stronger, favored opponent is just bad strategy.
     
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    what my post implied, if you care to read it again, is that sure we can sit here and criticize laurendeau's choice to play pospisil for the three matches. everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. but our criticism doesn't matter one bit. if the criticism came from someone like pierre lamarche (prior davis cup captian for canada) or another person who has had to make similar decisions at a similar level then that has a little more weight and meaning than some people on a tennis message board.

    i mean the guy has been dc captain for years. been through ties in central america, caribbean, etc where it's no picnic. surely he has earned the right to make the decision he did. if he had decided to drop raonic from the tie or play jesse levine in the 5th rubber then i'd be up in arms. playing vasek in 3 matches? not so much.

    pospisil match in friday was over pretty quickly. doubt that that had a huge impact on his stamina over the weekend. debatable at best. doubles on the other hand was another marathon. but who else is going to play with nestor? pospisil and nestor have played lots of dc matches together and teamed up at the us open. don't think any other player on the cdn team would have been a better choice for doubles with nestor than pospisil. pospisil was likely just as tired on sunday than if he didn't play on friday.
     
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    so have i. been there, done that. at the end of the day the lineup is captains decision. being a USTA league captain, or an inter county league team captain is not exactly the same level as a davis cup captain. anyway, how does anyone know that laurendeau DIDN'T pick the strongest team he had available? i'm sure the team practiced together. maybe he saw something that none of us did? i'm pretty sure none of us were in serbia last week.
     
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    But that was my point. Sometimes you DON'T put in your strongest team. You put in your weaker team in order to save your strongest team to fight another battle. Since you don't have the luxury of having a plethora of strong players, you have to pick and choose your battles. It's called strategic warfare.

    He should have sacrificed Dancevic in the first rubber in order to save Pospisil for the real battle, which was the 5th rubber.
     
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    well that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. playing dancevic probably not a bad option. but i doubt that the 100 minutes it took for djokovic to beat pospisil on friday really had anything to do with pospisil being tired on sunday. more likely the 4:20 minute doubles match he played on saturday had a bigger impact.
     
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    The challenge for posters now is to design a schedule with only 2 players with a realistic chance of winning a singles match against Tipsy and Djokovic and a doubles match that Canada pretty well had to win, Unfortunately Canada has only 2 singles players right now that had an outside chance of winning a singles match againist the 2 great players Serbia had.

    Dansevic? Pelewo? Who will beat Djokovic?


    Come on folks, let's see you create a better schedule.
     
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    Vasek and Nestor played dubs together at US Open they are a good team, have some good wins together. Maybe he should have sat Vasek in first singles vs. Djokovic but then again maybe that match sharpened him for doubles which they won in five. Vasek should be strong and tough enough to play three wars in a DC weekend. Many players including Sampras, Ljubicic, have done it.
     
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    But Vasek got an injury he needed a MRI, he isn't the most physically strong man out there he is kind of fragile. So, Laurendeau making Vasek play THREE rubbers was the wrong strategy. It was stupid on Laurendeau's part to over extend a young player that isn't the most mentally tough out there. What would have been wrong to have Frank Dancevic play the first rubber?
     
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    I'm inclined to agree with you in a general sense, but have you ever dealt with jetlag from an overseas flight? It can be quite an ordeal. Granted Novak's a professional athlete who is well used to heavy travelling, but I'd imagine it would still have a pretty significant impact on him only a day or 2 after a trans-Atlantic flight. Laurendeau must have bet on the fact that Novak would still be reeling from the jetlag and might have been really off form having just played a hard court Slam final against Rafa less than 4 days earlier.

    We know now in hindsight that Novak adapted very well, but they couldn't have known that until he played his first match Friday. I'm sure Laurendeau told Vasek beforehand not to waste too much energy if Novak was in form and clearly going to win.
     
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    go tell tennis canada you have it all figured out and should be the DC captain. let me know what they tell you........

    time to let this one go. another tie against Japan in the new year so everyone has lot's of time to worry about player selection. LOL
     
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    I do think they should have put in Dancevic instead of Pospisil for the Tipsarevic match, but against Djokovic? Wouldn't have made a difference.
     
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    Please submit your resume and attach this post. I'm sure they'll fire Mr. Laurendeau and hire you after reading it.
     
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    I agree with this 100%.

    People, Canada simply does not have the depth of players to even make this a debate. Unless Canada wanted to forfeit the first match against Djokovic, which BreakPoint stated is a viable option for team captains in some situations, this was the way to go.
     
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    But could Pospisil beat Tips or Djokovic anyway? Doubtful. IMO Canada did just fine to win 2 matches and to have got as far as we did.

    Praise not criticism is deserved by out team.



    Go CANADA
     
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    Couldn't agree more!
     
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