Mary Carillo: "The US Open is much faster than Wimbledon"

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  1. canuckfan

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    She just said that on the CBS Broadcast of the Nadal-Querrey match. No contradiction from Jmac. Many people have noticed this over the past 2-3 years, but this is the first time i heard a commentator actually say it.
     
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  2. superstition

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    I wonder what tournament has the fastest hard courts?

    There was a Davis Cup match where Roddick hit a ridiculous number of aces against Llodra in the first two sets. The commentator said the court was very fast. I don't remember where that was.

    I've read that back when tennis was mostly played on grass the American hard court tournaments out west were very fast and low bouncing.
     
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    It's the indoor courts that tend to be the fastest.

    I'm not so convinced that the US Open is faster than Wimbledon.
     
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    I believe that was in Winston Salem, NC.

    Carillo also just said Australian Open court plays more like clay than hardcourts during the Querrey-Nadal match.
     
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  5. stormholloway

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    I think she said Wimbledon is closer to clay than it is to the US Open courts. That's what I heard.
     
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  6. Cenc

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    dont say it too early. we have to wait for official response from nadalfreak
     
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  7. drakulie

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    LOL. he is already complaining about this comment in the Querey vs rafa thread:

     
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    During the Querrey-Nadal match today? She was very clearly talking about the AO. She even said it had more "grip" on the court than USO, which makes it easier slam for Nadal.
     
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    ^^^ she also mentioned wimbledon.
     
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  10. Edinboro

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    Whats the difference between the US Open court and Australian Court? Is one faster or slicker?
     
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    I wish there was a concrete way to measure this. Well there probably is but I wish we actually knew. Odd for a commentator to actually say it.

    Anybody else hoping for Federer defeating Nadal in the final? I like both players, but normally cheer for Nadal in head to head matchups. This time I hope Federer ends the season on a high.
     
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  12. ACE of Hearts

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    Oh plz, this is not even ground breaking news!!!The surface at wimbledon is a joke.The bounces are ridiculous.I been saying that for the last couple of years.
     
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    Nonsense, I've already compiled the stats comparing......












    Oops my bad, go ahead and finish Nadal_Freak.
     
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  14. Noveson

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    I think we all know this(READ: not Nadalfreak) but a commentator actually said something for once. I don't think Wimbledon is a joke, it just isn't fast anymore. Nadal still won, on the same surface that Federer dominated the years before.
     
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    It's definitely not the same surface that Federer won on. AELTC says one thing, but we all know they do all sorts of dumb stuff. I mean, they only changed the surface because of ONE match. Geez. How stupid is that? I mean, Goran and Sampras would be boring on any surface, even on clay.



    BBC did a statistical analysis comparing 2003 to 2008, and Federer's serve in 2003 was faster from the bounce, and much lower, while the 2008 service had a 10 mph drop off and bounced much higher.
     
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  17. PROTENNIS63

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    Mary was actually correct.


    *I hate her BTW*
     
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  18. Babb

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    The new Australian Open courts are supposed to be a little slower and have more bounce to them than the US Open courts. That is my understanding.
     
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    After looking at your break percentage theory which makes no sense, it's pretty funny to see that I'm about to blow up your entire theory into the ground.


    Australian Open 2008 1st 2nd 3rd 4th QTR Semi Final

    Return Games Won 515 247 125 61 26 11 6


    Wimbledon 2008 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Qtr Semi Final

    Return Games won 379 200 87 50 31 8 5



    Considering the fact that the Australian Open is one of the SLOWEST hardcourts in the world, how do you explain the fact that outside the 1st round (which always has huge deviations in between every slam) that the numbers are very comparable.
     
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  20. Nadal_Monfils

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    Yea, she said both. It seems like people remember how fast the grass used to be and then start exaggerating and calling the current grass "green clay" and such.
     
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    She is entitled to her opinion. I don't think Wimbledon is any where near clay. It is definitely slower, but not like clay.
     
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  22. Nadal_Freak

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    Australian Open wasn't that slow in the second week. And your stats are pretty weak. My stats show a lot more evidence since as it considers the length of the match unlike yours.
     
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  23. Turning Pro

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    New Aus Open is at least a medium paced court. It's not slow at all. Rebound ace before it was layered with Plexicushion is however quite slow.
     
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  24. stormholloway

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    But isn't this quantifiable? I can say that it's my opinion that dogs lay eggs but I'd be wrong.
     
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    Agreed. Very similar to the US Open. I actually think Nadal's spin bounces higher than at the Australian Open.
     
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  27. Andres

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    Cincinatti, AMS Paris and TMC seem to be the fastest hardcourts around these days.
     
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    I don't think Paris is among fastest hardcourts,I remember Nalbandian saying last year before the final with Nadal that Paris is slower than Madrid.
     
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    I actually saw it faster than Madrid, but I'll take Nalbandian's word over mine :p

    But it's certainly among the fastest hardcourts around. I miss the good ol' carpet :cry:
     
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    The fastest court right now (according to Tennis&music & Nadal Freak) is Roland Garros.
     
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    Ted Robinson: Is the US Open faster than Wimbledon now?

    John McEnroe: Absolutely. No doubt about it.

    (just now on USA before the Murray-Wawrinka match).
     
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    Yup. He, along with many other former grand slam champions who have actually played on the stuff have been saying it for a while now.

    Of course, they have no idea what they are talking about, since they have actually played on the stuff. :roll:
     
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    She said that it's closer to clay than it is to the US Open courts. McEnroe kind of scoffed at that...I'm not sure if he completely believed it, but he didn't say anything. He just made a little scoff sound, like "well...I don't know about that..."
     
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  34. Mansewerz

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    I heard her specifically say that Wimbledon is slower than US Open!
     
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    She was obviously referring to the bounce/height of the ball.
     
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    Look at the two stats.

    Lopez hit 22 aces per match on average.

    Karlovic hit 31 aces per match on average.


    Just using stats against you NF.
     
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    The commentators are really annoying today. Nadal got broken 6 times in all of Wimbledon and he got broken 4 times today alone. The slower courts helped Querrey return serve as well as it helped Nadal break Querrey. I don't get why people keep saying US Open is faster than Wimbledon. Does it make them feel proud to say the US Open (our country) has the fastest courts?
     
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    Karlovic always aces a ton. He lost early in Wimbledon. He doesn't like the movement on grass. Too tall and off balanced.
     
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  39. Mansewerz

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    Maybe because Nadal plays better at Wimbledon? Because a truer bounce affects his opponents? Because serves alone don't determine breaks!
     
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    They say the USO is faster than Wimbledon because it is. It was last year as well.
     
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    he got broken so much because his serve was awful, and he was hitting some second serves at 80 mph.
     
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  42. Nadal_Freak

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    The speed of the court determines how many breaks there are. There is very little deviation on the height of bounce from here and Wimbledon. Wimbledon also seems to have pretty true bounces these days. The difference is the Americans and many other players move much better on hardcourts and are able to get in position to be more aggressive as well as being better defensively.
     
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  43. Mansewerz

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    For Nadal_Freak, Ivo only hit 23 aces in the Wimbledon match.
     
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  44. Nadal_Freak

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    One match is not enough info to determine the speed. No surprise he lost with that stat. Ivo gets hurt the most by the movement on grass.
     
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    Not even close to Wimbledon. Just another way to discredit Nadal's achievements. If he wins the US Open, I guess everyone will be saying it is blue clay. lol
     
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  46. JW10S

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    The USO courts are faster than Wimbledon...
     
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    Finally you admit the US open is way faster than Wimbledon.
     
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    Nadal got broken so many times today because he played like ****.
     
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    I love how you keep altering your arguments to fit your own explanations.
     
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  50. Nadal_Freak

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    Wimbledon is faster than US Open...
     
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