match vids: 3.5- vs 4.0+ and 3.5- vs 3.5-

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  1. tonygao

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    it seems without a rating on the title, very little interest can a post attract. I just repost my latest practice match vids here in order to get more comments.

    here is the vid where I played someone at the same level as myself(3.5-) . I am in the purple shirt.
    http://youtu.be/4gPT-o_lqFE

    below are sets against a 4.0+ player
    1st set 0:6
    I am the one close to the camera:
    http://youtu.be/J1I5OkWCwQI

    2nd set 3:6
    I am the one on the far side:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9s2OdwdL8E

    it's so clear that when faced with higher level player, my strokes look a lot worse. so a basic conclusion about video, you need to really see the opponent's level before judging the level of one player.
     
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  2. iradical18

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    Great vids man, looking good out there.
     
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  3. HughJars

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    Great vids man. Gives me a good idea where Im at.

    As a rec player that has played for a couple of years, Id feel confident Id be able to match you with my groundstrokes mostly, but Id kill for the conistency of your serve, particularly in the first vid....
     
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  4. Govnor

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    Certainly, a video only tells you so much, but you look like a good 3.5 to me. I don't think you have to improve a whole lot to make 4.0. What are you looking to improve on?
     
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  5. tennismonkey

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    lots of nice groundies being hit. i like this camera location the best to see what's going on on the court.

    one thing that really stuck out to me is that none of the players take a ball on the rise. consequently any deep high topspin ball, the OP and the others on the videos run back almost to the back fence to take the ball in their strike zone. and then they scramble like mad back to about 5 feet behind the baseline.
     
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  6. fruitytennis1

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    I assure you that you are above 3.5..
     
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  7. luvforty

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    tony are you in China? how does the rating system work?

    and when are you gonna start to hit to people's backhand.
     
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  8. Red Sunset

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    I reckon you're at 4.0 already Tony. You can clearly hit all the shots required of a 4.0. You threw in some nice drop shots, technique looks solid in my humble opinion.
     
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  9. TomT

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    Very much enjoyed watching these vids. Thanks. Some nice hitting and serving. You appear to have as good or better technique than all but a couple of the best 3.5s I've played against in my limited experience so far. If that's your current rating, then I agree with the posters who said you're on the cusp of moving to a higher level.

    You can win points and games against the higher rated players. In the video where you lost 0-6 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1I5OkWCwQI&feature=youtu.be ), it looks to me like you're in pretty much all of the points, eg., nice 19 shot rally in a point that you won between 8:10 and 8:45. So, with a bit of tweaking of your game to decrease the rate of unnecessary errors and increase the rate of forcing shots that you hit, I can see you regularly beating those guys.

    Post more vids. Good stuff!
     
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  10. MesQueUnClub

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    You are definitely a USTA 4.0+ . Good video.
     
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  11. spinorama

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    Looks good. I think 3.5 is accurate but you are playing well at that level. I think you could get more agressive and it would help your game
     
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  12. LeeD

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    Dude, learn to hit a second serve. Yours is even weaker than your skinny opponent's.
    You swing softer than any forehand on your second serve. You SHOULD be swinging faster.
     
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  13. Rogael Naderer

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    How is that relevant?
     
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  14. LeeD

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    YOU again?
    It's relevant because Tony works out, is strong, should be fast, but hits his second serve slow. How slow? Even slower than his opponent, the skinny little guy.
     
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  15. Ashley D

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    Tony, here's a video of LeeD's serve (in the cap) just so you can make an informed decision before you take his advice seriously.
    http://vimeo.com/21713707
     
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  16. Overdrive

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    Woah guys... :shock: Mr.Lee is being honest with his constructive criticism.

    All it matters is getting better right? I honestly hit a weak second serve because of pressure, and I'll learning to overcome that. :)
     
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  17. TomT

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    I think it's relevant insofar as we post our vids to get critiqued as well as complimented, and hopefully get some helpful suggestions for improvement.
     
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  18. syke

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    Looking at the air pollution in the skies... He's definitely in China.
     
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  19. Relinquis

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    Dunno if this is legitimate or not, but the guy in the cap should spend more time working on his technique, practicing and taking lessons, then telling people to swing harder*.


    * His advice is right though. Need to learn a kick serve and swing faster for his 2nd serve.
     
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  20. syke

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    Watch it... That's the legendary LeeD you are talking about...
     
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  21. Rogael Naderer

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    And the build of a player is relevant to his serve?

    I know BIG guys who serve 80mph max, I know 5ft 9" slender build gentleman who can hammer down 100mph plus.

    How is it relevant?

    Don't get me wrong LeeD, you post sound advice, sometimes.

    But invariably the way you write it comes across as extremely arrogant, and as we have seen from that video, you yourself also have much to learn.
     
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  22. Red Sunset

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    Quoted for truth.
     
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  23. Rogael Naderer

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    I await the LeeD barrage to come...
     
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  24. syke

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    lol......

    10lol.........
     
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  25. spinorama

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    I was gonna reply but I kept looking at your avatar and lost my train of thought.......
     
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  26. TomT

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    Ok ... I just noticed that you had bolded the word skinny in LeeD's post. So this is just a misunderstanding on my part, as I thought you were asking how is it relevant to say that the OP should swing harder and hit a faster 2nd serve (when it's obvious from his first serves and ground strokes that he certainly can swing harder and hit faster 2nd serves).

    But I will now say that I think there's also some relevance to LeeD's mentioning the OP's build.

    Me too. But I think that generally bigger people serve bigger. Anyway, I can see the point of LeeD's admonishment, and the point of phrasing it the way he did.

    LeeD explained that to you. Of course, you're free to disagree.

    I don't know about invariably, but I agree that some of LeeD's posts come across as extremely arrogant. So what?

    The relevance of which is questionable (especially in view of the fact that the posters, and the OP, all agree that his 2nd serves can and should be hit harder).

    Bottom line, imo, is that the OP has posted some nice vids, has generally nice technique, and appears to have the potential to improve on some things, one of which is hitting his 2nd serve harder.

    And once again Talk Tennis posters have succeeded in building the proverbial mountain out of a molehill. But then, that's part of what makes it fun. Isn't it? :)
     
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  27. SteveI

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    Tony you are a 4.0...
     
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  28. LeeD

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    I won't go 4.0 yet.
    Powder puff serves get returns into the backhand corners.
    As for my serve. Notice it goes out wide, at the service line/sideline intersect. Notice it's March, first day of the year since Nov. Notice how wild the serves are.... Notice it bounces 3' high at the 21' baseline, OUT WIDE, and can you hit that bounce?
    Notice LeeD hobbles around. Notice LeeD cannot run, or plant his left foot.
    Now YOU try serving, no backfoot plant, no ability to run or jump, HOW WOULD YOUR SERVE GO?
     
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  29. Govnor

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    I just re-watched the vids against the good player. I think he is a very strong 4.0. Certainly has some traits of a 4.5. So you were really playing up there.

    I think (and this isn't rocket science) you need to work on your return of serve and 2nd serve. These are both really important areas (obviously) and it would benefit you a great deal to focus on them. If both improved, you'd be a 4.0.
     
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    So what? So people don't generally take kindly to arrogance in any setting, especially if the person is not in any kind of position to judge. That's why the D-Man gets so many negative reactions to his posts.
     
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  31. LeeD

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    I agree with the Govnor. He's not 4.0 yet, because of his 2nd serve and his anticipation. He has no anticipation, he just reacts to his opponent's shot.
    Critique is NOT a group hug or a pat on the back. It's CRITICISM.
    If you can't take the heat, get off the fire.
    As for "big guy" vs "small guy".
    That one is basic. Big guy has POTENTIAL to serve much faster. Like Milos, Ivo, Roddick (185 lbs.), DelPo, Querry, Isner.
    They serve harder than medium size guys like DJ, Fed, Nadal, Murray who...
    ALL SERVE harder than the little guys!
    Big guy who can't serve hard is a slow moving duffus on a tennis court with no power to hit out of his own two clumsy feet!
     
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  32. Govnor

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    You're right. He's scrambling all out for balls he should have been able to get to without much of a problem.
     
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  33. TomT

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    Yes, that's usually true for me too. But not as much in this setting. Anyway, I think LeeD is an entertaining, and often informative, poster, and a talented individual. Perhaps we've established, unwittingly, some sort of rapport on some level.

    As Govnor noted, noticing that the OP's serve is unnecessarily slow isn't rocket science. Anyway, one of the main reasons I like this forum is that there's lots of different posters with different opinions. A person can know the right thing to do without ever having done, or being able to do, it.

    I was wondering if some of those are like tongue in cheek kidding. But apparently his posts really do annoy some people. :lol:
     
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  34. LeeD

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    It's a work of art to annoy some people. It's a masterpiece to annoy everyone.
    Alas, it's only a valiant attempt to annoy some people some of the time.
     
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  35. Tight Lines

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    The only thing I see is you seem to move a little slower. Move faster and you will reduce your errors.

    Check out this blog.
    http://blog.tennisspeed.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

    I myself am trying to improve from 3.5/4.0 to 4.5. jump ropes. 4 sets of 250 in the morning. Takes 10 minutes.

    Harry
     
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  36. LeeD

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    Tony appears to be a fit, strong, and athletic type of guy.
    But, in tennis, his anticipation is nil, so he has to react to every ball. Then he moves like a crab, instead of a gazelle. Kinda like JackB1, who is a better hitter, but moves like that.
    Not saying I'm a HenryHines mover, but no one is talking about my speed and grace.
     
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  37. Rogael Naderer

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    I look forward to seeing the OP improve and respect him for posting these videos, I'm sure your contribution will help him immensely.
     
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  38. Rogael Naderer

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    Fair enough, that makes sense to me. I'll tell the big guys I know to sort it out!
     
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  40. tennisplayer1993

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    3.5 rating sounds about right. Some tips for you:

    1. You sometimes jump to early on return of serve maybe it would be better returning a few feet behind the baseline.
    2. Your groundstrokes are rock solid, just try to become more consistent in keeping them in.
    3. I saw some nice serve and volley. Good job

    Overall I think you are not far from a rating of a 4.0.

    Great videos man
     
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  41. tennisplayer1993

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    Agreed that was a beautiful valley. You had some very firmly hit forehands. Smart of you not to approach the net after that slice backhand. Good decision making.

    These videos were fun to watch for sure! Good luck improving on your game :)
     
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  42. tonygao

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    thanks Harry. jumping ropes is indeed great and I have started to do it recently. normally I will do a workout called roger federer workout, which is 1 minute jumping ropes and then 1 minute of core exercise. in total it's 10 sets of each. great workout.
     
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    sorry but if I keep watching these strokes, they brainwash me into becoming a 2.0 player.
     
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  44. cork_screw

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    you guys play good
     
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