Mats Wilander : Fed is not the GOAT

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  1. nothingfails

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    on Eurosport just after the final with the regular show with Anabel Croft.
    It really gets to me. All other greats -Mc Enroe, Sampras etc.- say he is now. Wilander said people should stop talking about who is the GOAT, that it is irrelevant, that Fed had never won the 4 slams same year. I thought it was pretty lame of him.
     
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    Wilander is pissed that Federer proved him wrong. Wilander has been on record for a while as being a relatively "anti-Fed" former pro. I believe Wilander was the guy that thought that Federer didn't have the balls to beat Nadal (which was a couple years ago, fwiw), couldn't win the French, etc.

    While I agree that all the GOAT talk gets old, it sounds like sour grapes from Matsy to me.
     
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    He also said that Federer needs to beat Nadal in a Grand Slam and over best of 5 sets. Hello? Did you watch Wimbledon in 2006 and 2007? How about Miami 2005, coming back from 2 sets to love and 4-1 down to win?
     
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    Mats go back on the sauce you made more sense then:less bitter;angry and jealous .He proved your butt wrong.Now go back in the mountains of Idaho where you live and stay THERE until Wimbledon:roll:
    Federer's now 14 slams on ALL surfaces >>>>Wilander's on whatever he won his 8!
     
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    Mats Wilander should count his lucky stars that Eurosports found him interesting enough to have his clueless face on tv every day. He has been on Federer's case for years now, and one of the reasons for the decline in Roger's mental state. Mats eat your heart out, Roger is back and even if never wins again, he is the greatest male player to many.
     
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    Well I have to agree with him. Roger is not GOAT. No one is.
     
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    everyone is entitled to his opinion...but it sure sounds like sour grapes to me!
     
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    So someone thinks he isnt and gets crucified? Seriously I like Federer and am happy for him, but some of you Fed worshippers are going overboard. Granted Wilander seems like a bit of a flake and idiot these days so I wouldnt put much value into his opinion no matter what it was, but this freak out over someone not bowing down at Federer's feat as the sure GOAT just because he won the French finally is overkill.
     
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    Isn’t this a bit exaggerated?
     
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    It's not that, it's more his attitude, rather than saying congratulations to Federer, he has to come out with something really silly to try and make Federer's achievement less than what it is. He just sounds really bitter.
     
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  11. The tennis guy

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    Mats should stop taking coke.
     
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    Fair enough. Like I said I have found Wilander to come across as an idiot for awhile now. Hasnt he been in alot of drugs since his playing days have finished? I dont put much stock into his opinions, regardless what they are. Funny to see he coached Safin for a bit.
     
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    Oh, look. An analyst who doesn't agree that Fed is the greatest of all time. Let's attack his credibility!
     
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    Its nice to know there are some former players left who arent media puppets and joining the Fed cakewalk bandwagon
     
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    No it's definitely not true Wilander is anti-Fed,quite the opposite actually,the guy is full of praises for him both as a player and as a person.Aside from the match with Soderling I bet he was rooting for Fed in each match.

    His no balls comment(for which he apologized to Fed later)was because he was rooting for Fed to win the calendar Grand Slam and was very disappointed Fed lost 2006 FO final.It was said in affect and you have to admit that Fed could have done better in that match and showed a lot of nerves for a champion of his caliber.

    Mats was rather trying to be diplomatic here and not hurt either past greats or Fed.He gave a sort of balanced opinion but make no mistake he very much enjoys Fed's game and roots for him almost all the time.
     
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    Mac has always been a bit of a bandwagon-jumper. He'll either qualify his statement or change his mind in a few weeks.

    Wilander is correct: Fed is one of the GOATs.
     
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    He does have credibility problem because he was banned from tennis due to positive cocaine test during 1995 French Open. He has been bitter ever since.
     
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    A lot of folks are not on the bandwagon. Most are just being tight-lipped about it. Wilander just chose to be more vocal and now the ******* army is after him.
     
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    I'm not sure about that but he was defaulted during the AO for abusing officials I believe, and held the record for the largest fine ever for a verbal obscenity. So that's another record that Federer needs to try and break!
     
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    Default is not the same as banned.
     
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    I'll put this very simply: none of these analysts have any real credibility. Wilander and McEnroe included.

    They are entertainers. I do like Wilander more - I believe he's intelligent, regardless of his faults.

    But these guys are not historians. They simply work to sell the game.

    A person doesn't become credible simply because what they say suits your point of view.
     
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    I am not sure if you were responding to me but I mentioned I thought it was stupid and fanatical to be reacting negatively JUST because someone felt Federer isnt suddenly the greatest ever just because he finally won the French. I also noted that I have found Wilander to be a flake for awhile now though anyway. The few times I see him interview he seems almost in a daze, and many of the public statements he mades to the press (not this one but other ones) have been downright stupid. I am not saying that based on his comment here which I actually think is totally fine, just my general feelings on the guy these days.
     
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    Roland Garros presser:

    Q. You are probably not yet the best in history,but could this be a goal for you in the next years to come before the end ofyour career?

    ROGER FEDERER: Look, I just tried to have the best possible career I can, and then I think it should be judged at the very end, you know. How well did I do? Good? Great? Very good? Or medium? (Laughter.) I don't know. It's for other people to decide.
     
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    Responding in general to the thread.
     
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    1. Wilander was very boring player. He never had got any talent to tennis. Long playing shots, wins by endurance, typical clay court player without charm such as Bruguera or similar. I coulnd't watch his single match till the end.

    If he didn't appear on Eurosport or on TV the world never would remember that there was such a player.

    Wilander with 7 slams and without Wimbledon is a mistake somehow written in the history of tennis.

    Hence: his opinion means not so much.

    2. Federer won 14 slams and now all 4. He is absolutely not simply ONE OF THE GREATEST, he is undoubtly the BEST among GREATEST players, shortly the greatest = GOAT.

    3. Finally the man with 7 slams simply has not so much right to estimate Fed who won 14 by 28 years. And maybe will add some more to this list.
     
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    Thanks, Aykhan Mammadov. This was the expert opinion that truly settled the debate.

    How can I purchase your book?
     
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  31. The tennis guy

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    You don't know what my opinion is. You should before you ramble about whether his opinion suits my point of view or not. Did I say Federer is the GOAT? It's useless excercise because there is no standard, that is my opinion.

    I criticized Wilander not because what he said, but because the way he said it. His criticism of Federer through the years, not just now, was unfair, and more personal than objective analysis. Mats Wilander was never objective analyst. McEnroe on the other hand, doesn't take it personally when talking about other players as analyst, Wilander does.
     
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    Were you watching Eurosport?

    I really don't care what your opinion is. I'm simply saying that your attack on Wilander's credibility lacks substance and is a logical fallacy (attacking the person).
     
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    Yeah, he can't just be happy for the guy, who achieved his dream to win all 4 major championships. He has to come out with some ridiculous comments like "he has to beat Nadal in a GS" or "He has to win all 4 in the same year" etc.
     
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    He's entitled to his opinion. I definite appreciate his honesty.
     
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    I don't think he was banned, but I do believe he was fined a bunch, more than his share--for behavior excellence.
     
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  36. The tennis guy

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    I agree completely. I didn't follow Wilander when he was a player that much, thus no like or dislike of him. However, I watched and listenned to several of his interviews in recent years, it completely countered him being intelligent. He was flaky, got very personal when talking about several players, and used foul languages sometimes. I thought he was either just angry person, or he was under influence of substances.
     
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    Federer isnt the best ever quite yet. I think Wilander is a complete idiot and in fact a huge pothead these days (anytime you see him speak he looks like he was smoking some strong stuff in the back room), and I couldnt give a damn what he thinks, but despite that I think he is right anyway in this case. :)
     
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    He is, but lets be honest he does just come across as really bitter, a bit like Borg really.
     
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  39. The tennis guy

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    He and his buddy Novecek were suspended. Both retired before the suspension occured.

    Wilander and Novacek Are Banned
    Published: Thursday, May 15, 1997

    The former world No. 1 MATS WILANDER of Sweden and the Czech-born KAREL NOVACEK were suspended for three months after withdrawing appeals for failing drug tests, the International Tennis Federation announced yesterday.

    Wilander and Novacek must return all prize money earned since May 1995 to the federation. Wilander will return $289,005, Novacek $185,765.

    Wilander and Novacek tested positive for cocaine at the 1995 French Open. They denied allegations of drug use and said the federation's test procedures were flawed. They argued that their urine samples had been mishandled and that the federation failed to provide evidence on which the charges were based.

    After a review of test results and laboratory documentation, they acknowledged the positive results although they said they were unaware of the presence of cocaine in their bodies and said the drug was unknowingly consumed.
     
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  40. Aykhan Mammadov

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    Why do u need reading books ? Tennis is done on courts, not in books, not in interviews and not in opinions. Just don't believe opinions of different players, watch at least ten matches of Wilander and believe your eyes.

    If u trust books then according Brad Gilberts "Winning Ugly" he played better than McEnroe.
     
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    Maybe. I don't know. Maybe he was just trying to offer some perspective amongst all the "Roger is goat, roger goat" hoopla.
     
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    Unacceptable. He has to suck Roger's royal you-know-what or else.
     
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    does he.. ? depends on ones perspective and eyes.. IMO he is quite honest and sometimes ironic/ sarcastic , which by some who want a babbling smiley cheerful commentator will feel out of sync with old Mats . the guy knows tennis , he is just a bit wrinkled up maybe thats whats the prob for some ..
    One thing one could argue is that the open era was a prob for Emerson and Laver .. they were banned from playing the slams in their primes.
     
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  44. The tennis guy

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    If you had watched or listened to Wilander's interviews in the last a few years like many people who are posting here had, you wouldn't think I "attacked" Wilander's credibility at all. It was the truth.
     
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    http://www.goodart.org/attack.htm
     
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    Mats should stick to coke. Or maybe he was high when he said this. Wouldn't be the first time.
     
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    No. The problem is that he’s sucking Nadal’s and some others. And with no irony or self-conscious.
     
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    Wilander has always been a Federer fan from what I've read, seen and heard. He's just not a delusional fanboy.
     
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    When Wilander says things like "Federer doesn't have the balls to..", it just makes it hard to take him seriously. His criticism is way to personal and not productive in any way. The guy seems like a royal ****** to me and I so badly wanted to give him the finger when I saw him at the Rogers Cup last year.

    A guy with 7 grand slams telling Federer that he needs a calendar slam to be the best ever? Can't he show a little respect to a player that is clearly superior to him? It's starting to seem like Soderling is the classiest of the swedish players, which is funny because he is the one that has been bashed the most...
     
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    Yes,that's the same impression I always got as well."No balls" comment was due to Wilander being pissed off at Fed losing a chance to win a calendar Grand Slam in 2006,he reacted emotionaly to Fed's loss because he rooted for him to win FO that year.
     
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