Mattek-Sands trounces Sloane!

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  1. marc45

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    6-2 6-0 in 57 mins..... did not watch, just heard...couldn't believe this, that's why i added the exclamation point which i think is deserved because bms went 3:42 yesterday with radionova as i put in another thread...never thought she had a chance today...and in regard to sloane i have to ask is there any young player, man or woman, that can sustain anything anymore?...maybe a new rule, you can't compete on the tour til your 20?...only half-joking
     
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    one strange stat from the match...stephens wins 35% of first serve points and 72% of second..no break point chances for stephens
     
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    BMS is a good, talented player and Sloane isn't that good so no surprise that she's able to beat her. The scoreline is embarrassing for Stephens though.

    Her run at the AO was so predicated on gratuitous circumstances rather than her actual tennis, so I'm not surprised she's being "exposed", although clearly all the hype and expectations after her very fortunate run has gotten to her mentally.
     
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    Oudin much?
     
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    I heard Sloan was injured and she doesn't like playing on clay. too slippery for her
     
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    I hope she is not another oudin.
     
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    :confused:

    Clay is her best and favorite surface.
     
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    That's an extremely embarrassing result for Sloane....reaching the AO semifinal, and beating Serena along the way, might have been the worst thing for her. Achieving too much too soon has obviously either a.) put too much pressure on her or b.) like Oudin, was a bit of a fluke, and now she is being exposed as not as good as she was hyped up to be.

    A little early to tell which category she falls under, but either way it's bad. She hasn't done anything worth noting since Australia. I doubt she'll finish the year well, she just does not seem mentally tough nor does she seem to have the champion's instinct that is so crucial at the top of the game.

    This only reaffirms what I previously thought....Madison Keys has the most potential of all the young americans. Can't wait to see how her game translates to grass.
     
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    What a match! I was there. Bethanie was ON! Sloan wasn't playing bad, bethanie was just on fire and playing big and very clean in regards to errors. I watched her yesterday too, she played a whole different game today. She saw my kids poster board sign too, and sent a ball to us afterwards, and I caught it. It was a good night.

    Also, speakin of oudin, saw her 3 sets today too, later tonight, waiting on my wife and daughter by the RR, oudin comes out and signs my kids ball.
     
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    Source, please?
     
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    I agree Madison is more naturally talented than Sloane. Sloane got very lucky with the draw at the AO and I'm not sure she has the talent to back it up.
     
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    WTF is going on with Sloane? Losing to BMS isn't a sin, but 0 and 2?

    Like any tennis fan, I never thought that her AO SF result was going to mean she would suddenly be going QF or SF deep in every Slam and even deeper in other tournaments.

    But, she had been made steady progress for a year before the AO. She had made the 4th Round of a Slam, made the Top 30 before the AO. So, all I really expected was continued play as a 25-30ish player - 3rd and 4th round in Slams for the next few years, with maybe a QF here or there, but also a 2nd round loss here or there. And, non-Slams, it would all depend on the field, so it's not so much that I expect her to get to a certain round every tournament, but I wouldn't expect her to lose to some of the players she has, and certainly not in the fashion that she has.

    I like Sloane. She's a nice young woman, doesn't scream and carry on when on court. And, she has some real potential.

    I just don't get why youngsters can't deal with expectations. I mean seriously, yes she was buzzed about after the AO, and yeah that changes things a little, but the buzz has already worn off. Generally, all that was said is that she has a lot of potential. Sure, a few writers actually predicted she'd be winning Slams in due course, but that wasn't the general consensus, so why is she putting so much pressure on herself? She's like a deer in the headlights at this point. I guess her confidence is completely rattled.
     
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    her best results are on Hard courts, not clay.
     
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    It's well known that clay is her best and favorite surface: She's said it before in interviews. Prior to her very lucky run at the AO, her best result at a GS was reaching the 4th round of the French Open. Plus check her WTA profile bio: [​IMG]
     
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    Must have been getting a lot of first serves in then (based on the final score). :)
     
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    Cool stuff. Congratulations.
     
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    Wow...super surprising. Yet nothing surprises me from the younger players on the pro tour anymore. Only the older ones have any consistency to the staying power throughout a tourney it seems. No one loves Sloane but ...
     
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    Hope Sloane isn't turning into Jaime Yzaga, Jerome Haehnel and Olivier Mutis.
     
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    Keyes definitely has a "bigger" game, so maybe she has a higher upside. But, Sloane is a better mover, IMO, and on today's slower surfaces, movement is a huge factor.

    Stephens just turned 20 a couple weeks ago. Inconsistent performances aren't that unexpected from a young player.
     
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    I don't follow the tour all that much, but it seems odd to me to dismiss her AO run based on one match, but not the other way around.
    Maybe she had a bad day, and is still capable of everything we thought she was capable of yesterday?
     
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    She is overhyped. She is not top 30 caliber
     
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    That's the crazy thing. She actually was Top 30 for nearly a year. Forget the AO SF. She had put together consistent results and was generally going about tour life as a 30-40 ranked player well before the AO.

    Then she makes the AO semis, and, unsurprisingly, can't continue having that sort of result. But, she didn't just regress back to her pre-AO 30-40 form, she's regressed back to the form of someone who is struggling to stay in the top 100 (even if her decent ranking suggests otherwise).

    I still thinks she has "solid pro" potential (think Amy Frazier, Lisa Raymond), but not so sure about "Next American Champion." I do hope she gets it together.

    Needless to say, I think the post-AO buzz is nearly completely worn off.
     
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    To be fair, I believe this was her 5th tournament since the Australian Open and she's only won 2 or 3 matches, so the comments are based on more than just this match, although this one may be the worst considering:

    1) Mattek-Sands is ranked No. 113 in the world.
    2) She won a nearly 4 hour long match the day before.
    3) The scoreline.
     
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    Anybody know much about her coach? Maybe it's time for a change...
     
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    you guys are going to hate me for saying this, but i will anyway... The match was over by the first break.

    Stephens is 'mentally weak', easily intimidated and has no 'fight'*...

    First, the tennis played:
    • Bethanie started out strong. Coming to the net a few times, attacking every short ball. Played aggressive tennis. This set the tone.
    • Nearly all of Sloane's balls landed short. Either on or before the service line. She's not Rafa, those are practice balls/ sitters. Mattek-Sands did what was required.
    • Zero intensity from Stephens after the first break. By the second set she wasn't moving after every stroke. No split step. No nothing. Just hitting practice balls to the middle of the court. No fight.
    • Mattek-Sands was a pro and closed it out mercilessly.
    Sloane had nothing on the line in this match. Not that many ranking points at stake. No Slam accolades. Not a big name opponent. She had no "why?". Other players have an internal "Why?" If they are on the court they are there to win. To fight.

    Stephens lacks this instinct. She thinks tennis is a tea party and was lucky to get past an injured, limping, crippled Williams at the Aussie Open...

    Did you guys forget this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtbnZviyRjw
    What kind of competitor crumbles at the sound of "come on!"



    * Fight: To strive vigorously and resolutely. To want to win. Not for ranking points, but for the sake of winning. To compete. To Cowboy up! when needed.
     
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  26. bluetrain4

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    But, again, her attitude was never like this before the AO, so I'm sort of curious as to what's going on in her head.
     
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  27. SassyRamirez

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    No, that behavior from her has been noted ever since she's been on tour.
     
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  28. bluetrain4

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    Really? I guess I never really picked up on it. I mean, I've only watched a handful of her matches, since she's not on TV that much, and I never saw anything THAT negative. I guess I missed a lot.
     
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  29. Relinquis

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    change of attitude?

    maybe she's achieved a bit of fame and is content being a b-list sports celeb, making a more than comfortable living on tour. maybe she just doesn't have the hunger to be a champion. She's young and has time, but i don't think she realises how quickly she can be a has been (or a never was)...

    i think what this match shows more than anything is that other players aren't intimidated by her at all, despite her ranking and "achievements".

    Melanie Oudin lost to a top player yesterday in three sets. She fought though and should be able to have pride in her game. Maybe Sloane needs a few more big losses to gain focus.
     
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    Sloane is young, still. She will learn the things she needs to know in order to be a top professional (or not).
     
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    This was apparent at the AO--even while "winning" a match against an injured player. She bought into the "you're the better one" crap, and with no skill at all, swallowed the hype, only run into a brick wall of superior ability.

    Now, if anyone still buys into her as the "next big thing," they are going to be very disappointed for many months to come--certainly at the majors, and by that, I mean WIN majors.
     
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    Agreed. She doesn't have that killer instinct and is more liable to give up than fight back.
     
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    Your post is "so disrespectful" :)

    J/K

    I too agree that Madison Keys seems to be the most talented of Stephens, Keys, Hampton, Lauren Davis, McHale group.

    Not too sure about Taylor Townsend yet.

    Sloane is clearly very talented but I too wonder about her mental fortitude.

    And yes, this should be an EXTREMELY embarrassing loss for her. Time to regroup.
     
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    rain delaying play. Keys supposed to play Mattek Sands.

    Wozniacki through to qf's after Petkovic withdraws
     
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    Totally agree. Overhyped and nauseating to listen to. Here is what she recently said in an interview about a recent loss:

    "I mean, just a rough time," she said. "I don't know. There's not -- there's no specific thing that I'd say has happened or is not happening, but I don't think it really matters. "I'm [ranked No.] 16 in the world. I can lose in the first round the next two months and I probably would still be top 30. I'm not really too concerned about winning or losing or any of that, I don't think.

    http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/9097765/tennis-sloane-stephens-stop-post-aussie-blues

    I think she is top 20-30 material but definitely not top 5 or 10 the way people were making out when she won that match against Serena at the AO. She only won because Serena was injured. When I made those comments after that Serena loss, some people did not like that I said Sloane only won because Serena was injured but it was the truth. What has Sloane done since then? Big time overrated.
     
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    I agree with you. It is hilarious how quickly people jump on the bandwagon. I don't see anything in her game or mentality that makes me think grand slam champion.
     
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    Was hoping to see bms get another win today, raining good here today though.
     
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    That attitude of being satisfied with #30 separates her from the top women.
     
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    I mean she may have been top 30 calliber for a while a guess i think this is more than a slump tho i think its a permanant drop down to about 50-60 in the rankings. Thats just my opinion you are entiteled to yours
     
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    Bingo. This is one big overreaction, based on an outlandish scoreline. BMS can really bring it when she's on, and Stephens is young yet. Settle down, everyone.
     
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    Sloane has already archived a high ranking still young and improving she's right their as far as having the chance of being the highest ranked American once of course Serena retires .
     
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    Agree. She seems to have gotten caught up in the hype. She is talented, but if she doesn't get her mental together she'll just be another flash in the pan.
     
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    sloane is overrated
     
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    sloane = donald young, same destiny [​IMG]
     
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