May have to give up Cyber Flash (see sig)

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  1. Muppet

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    I really, really like this string. It's spinny and relatively soft. I started hitting some great slices on both sides with it too. I play it in a hybrid with multi crosses and it has a very solid but luxurious feeling.

    The problem is that it's too solid for my arm. After an hour and 1/2 of playing, my wrist and shoulder are telling me that it's time to stop. Last year I had to delay my start to the summer season because during the winter I caught a forhand volley out in front of me, which I normally do with multis, and the ball/strings jerked my wrist back pretty violently and sat me out for a few months after that.

    It's going to be hard to replace the feel and performance of this setup. If you have trained limbs and you're looking for a good poly hybrid, I'd recommend it. Right now, I have Hexy Fiber 1.26 and 1.36 in stock. I'm thinking of putting the 1.26 in the mains @54 and some Pro's Pro Red Devil 1.24 poly in the crosses @48. That should be good for spin, but maybe not durability. Well I'm not a string breaker, so we'll see how that goes.
     
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  2. mikeler

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    Hmm, I was going to string this one up soon. I'll cut it out if I feel any pain.
     
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    I would consider cyberflash firm, but not stiff, in comparison to other polys out there. But, that's just my opinion.
     
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  4. Muppet

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    I dunno Mikeler, your racquet sounds pretty foolproof. I haven't had lingering pain like TE from this string, just that jolt to my wrist. My take on it is that you play frequently enough that your joints are built up enough that Cyber Flash won't be a danger to you.
     
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    Cyberflash is hard to categorize for stiffness because it goes through a bunch of phases.

    It starts out firm like Silverstring, and where Silverstring stays.

    Then it softens a bit and plays nice for about 1/2 of its life (which is pretty long.)

    Then it gets very soft and powerful, but maintains a high level of control. This phase is where I'm done with it. I never took it all the way to death before cutting it out.
     
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    For the first two hitting sessions CF is very comfortable, but after 4 hours it turns stiffer and loses power and usually you tend to muscle the ball to compensate the lost power!
     
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    My experience with Cyberflash is in a hybrid with multi crosses. I use a dropweight stringer.
     
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    If it hurts your arm, string it softer.
    I like around 45-55 tension, just like the next guy.
    But, I tried Shroud's PrincePOG93 or so with some strings at 25 lbs., and it hit great, no mishits, and solid. Won't hurt your arm at 25, and it does seem to last OK if you just hit through the ball, and NOT brush the ball.
    I'm not saying 25 is perfect for you, but 40 on a 98 sq in racket is well within reason for duribility, tension maintainance, and solid feel.
     
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    I may be confusing feel for control. I figured if I went up in tension to just before the point where good feel started decreasing, I'd be getting the best performance. I tried it at 50/55 and that felt good too, but I think the strings are just too solid even though they feel good. To make a difference, I might have to go down to 46/51. I hope this won't give me too much power or springiness though. Then there's always other strings if that's not working.

    Thanks for your suggestion LeeD.
     
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    Remember, give it some time, like 5 hitting days, to adapt to the longer dwell time and "sling" effect.
    Shroud mentioned he tried 15 lbs., hand pull, and said it was too loose for his liking.
    He and I can both be classified as hard hitting, slightly erratic 4.0's who can hang at the 4.5 level if our heads are screwed on straight. Not often, unfortunately.
    I had no problems immediately hitting well with his 14.5 oz POG strung under 30. He hit just fine with my 11 oz racket strung at 47 lbs. He hated the rattle inside the frame...:)
     
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    I'm the total opposite of you. None of the cyber strings feel solid unless strung above 54lbs. Even then I'm hating the soft, mushy feel of the string bed after just a couple of games.

    The one problem I see with your setup is the multi/poly combo. Poly transmits shock better when it's not allowed to slide and usually the poly bites into the multi and dig in after just a game or 2.

    Unlike the rest of the guys I'll say go full thin poly low say below 45 or full multi below 55lbs.

    I'm using a PD2012 msv hex 1.23 53/51 and that's on the borderline soft to me.

    SPPP seems to be the only poly a good friend of mine can use.
     
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  12. Muppet

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    A really nice thing about my setup is that the Hexy Fiber multi cross is very muted and tames the Cyberflash very well. It's a soft and quiet hit.
     
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    If it's that soft and quiet then why do you have so much problems with it? Shocks are transmitted even if you can't hear them.

    I often play without a dampener and the other players think my racquet is as hard as steel but the vantages feel almost as plush as a PT630.

    I don't know what to tell you cus your setup and racquet is about as soft as it gets. So either you have a bigger injury that you know of or else your arm is too sensitive to use poly.
     
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    It's a soft hit, but at the same time it feels solid, which I love. It's not injuring my arm on a regular basis, but my arm gets worn out by it after an hour and a 1/2. I'll try lowering the tension down to 46/51. I would go lower, but I don't like having to put a lot of topspin on the ball to keep it in. A little higher tensions let me choose what to do with the ball on each shot. I'm a counter puncher and I like to keep my options open until the last second.

    The next step after that is to put poly in the crosses. Multi/poly isn't supposed to be very durable, but I think I'll try it because I have Hexy Fiber and Red Devil on hand and it's calling to me. I may try it next anyway, before going for Cyberflash at a lower tension. I dunno.
     
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    I tell people this all the time, but it's still an underground string. Try gosen polybreak mains in 1.24 and the cross of your choice (I suggest forten sweet 16).

    It destroys CFlash in all facets, especially if your arm is bugging you. I used Cyberflash for the first year of my return in the Tec 320s and it was a very nice string, but you have to be careful.
     
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    Thanks Power Player. I've been interested in that string, as you've been recommending it. And I have a reel of Sweet 16 knock-off from Pro's Pro. I'll add the Polybreak to my next order.
     
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    If you can - just buy a pack of the sweet 16. Just because it is only $3 or so and there is no real reason to not see how the real thing plays. I am sure the knock off is ok, but I mean -it's $3 for the real thing. :)
     
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    If I go over to multi/poly, I'll be stringing the crosses lower than the mains. Will this always give me a very large sweet spot? The one time I used Klip Legend/Cyber Blue, I strung it at 59/56 on a 90" racquet. The sweet spot felt huge. But I prefer a narrower sweet spot, stringing poly/multi with a 5 lb. differential. Should I just skip over multi/poly?
     
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    You're probably the first ever player to complain the sweetspot is TOO BIG !
    So, swing harder, and become pro...:):)
     
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    A smaller sweet spot is oh so much sweeter.

    I think I'll stick with poly/multi hybrid, but ditch the Cyberflash, at least for now. When my joints are stronger than they are right now I may re-visit it. I have some Red Devil and Blackout to try in the mains. If I decide to return to my multi roots, I have a pack of Discho Microfiber 17 at the ready. And I'll be sure to get some Gosen Polybreak 17 for the mains as well.
     
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    I think you mean a big sweetspot, to you, means a dark gray zone, nothing great, but very solid.
    Great is the exact adrenaline high we seek, but it's only 5% of reality.
    A huge sweetspot, nothing great, but all good, would allow us to swing faster, run harder, play better when tired, and not need to concentrate as much, possibly resulting in better win/loss percentage, all while not giving you the solid rush you get from hitting a perfect shot.
     
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    A little while ago, I strung my racquet (sig) with synth gut crosses 3 lbs. higher than the poly mains. I didn't know what I was doing, as I usually string multi cross at a 5 lb. diff. The sweet spot was almost undefined and had no character. It wasn't even a question of more or less tension. The sweet spot just felt sloppy. I didn't even bother keeping it around to play with it, as I had plenty of strings to try again with.
     
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    Seriously, do you even know what you are talking about?

    You current setup is soft, quiet yet too solid???
    A smaller sweet spot is easier to keep the ball in play??
    Increasing the tensions in cross makes the SP undefined?

    Do you understand what is actually going on here?

    Almost everything you've said sounds counter intuitive.

    The size of the SP has nothing to do with how easy it is or not to keep the ball in play it's the range of tension that you feel comfortable playing with and nothing to do with the size of the SP.

    Increasing the tension of the cross changes the shape and size of the SP, making it slightly smaller and more narrow.

    I don't know what's going on here but it sound more an issue with technique rather then technical issues.
     
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    Here I was referring to the 3 lb. differential.

    I agree that using a higher tension on the crosses gives a narrower sweet spot. That's what I like. I have to concentate more and use disciplined footwork, but the accuracy from the sweet spot is better and the feel is more gratifying.
     
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    I think we have a slight language barrier happening here. It's partly my fault as I wasn't clear which phrase I was referring to, but I explained that above.

    My setup is soft, quiet yet too solid. Cyber Flash is soft and dead as polys go. Then I cross it with a soft and muted shaped multi. It's very spinny too. I pushed all the buttons on this one. I think it's the innate deadness of the Cyberflash that is wearing my arm out. It's the solidness that caused the wrist injury (above.)

    I didn't mention anything about the easiness of keeping the ball in play. That has a great deal to do with getting to the ball.
     
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    No problem just a mix up of info.

    Ok so your idea of what plays right for you is vastly different from me. You prefer a soft, dead string bed with a small/precise tall oval SP.. yes?

    I did some research on stringforum net on cyberflash and some do find it uncomfortable.

    Considering what you like, it sounds that you are really better off with a full multi or softer more comfortable poly hybrid.

    http://www.stringforum.net/string2013.php

    You can do a cross comparison for comfort and spin or whatever your preferences are.

    Yonex Poly Tour Pro 125/Tecnifibre NRG2 seems to tick all the right boxes.

    Btw I have Yonex Poly Tour Pro 125 strung at 54/52 on one of my vantage and it doesn't feel like traditional poly.
     
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  27. Muppet

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    Thanks Mawashi

    Stringforum has been very helpful and I continue to look stuff up there.

    Your right about the multi setup. The MusclWeave works great with that kind of string. I just want to try a couple more hybrids before I throw in the towel. I already have a nice set of Discho Microfiber 17 ready and waiting for when I finally give up on polys.
     
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    Cool 8) ten char
     
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    Before you give up on the string, try adding a little weight to the handle and to the head of the frame. That might help keep the racket more "planted" during volleys.
     
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    I already have the handle built up. The static weight is 360g and the balance is 31.5 cm. It handles volleys great. It's not really any shortcoming of the frame that is the problem. When I trade groundstrokes for 1.5 hours, the "thudness" that is the inherent feel of the string, even fresh, wears out my wrist and shoulder. Thudness doesn't sound like an attractive trait for a string, but it comes across as velvety feel. And it performed great to. Good spin and slice and serves.

    I loved it, but I already clipped it out of my #1 racquet (sig.) I'm trying Pro's Pro Concept 1.25 (Scorpion clone)/Synthetic Power (Sweet 16 clone.) Concept is an entirely different type of polyester than Cyberflash, but I needed to get away from the dead type of strings. I have some other options lined up to try out too.
     
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    I would try the new MSV Focus Hex Plus 38 instead of Cyberflash in your hybrid setup. I have it in my Bio300 Tour and it plays very soft and comfortable while still providing very good control and spin. Having played Cyberflash 1.20 before I know that the Plus 38 1.20 is much softer. It is also softer than BHBR 1.20 which I also use.
     
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    I've been thinking about Focus Hex too. I tried the black 1.18 in my Radical OS @46, but that was too low a tension. It had a very nice muted feel to it, but not metallic like Cyberflash. What does the 'Plus 38' stand for? And have you noticed any difference in playability between the different colors? My current racquets are 18x20. What would you recommend? I'm leaning toward Focus Hex Black 1.23 (w/ multi cross) for my sig. racquet.
     
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    The "Plus 38" refers to the measured 38% increased in softness or elasticity when compared to the standard MSV Focus Hex. I have it in my Biomimetic 300 Tour as the mains (1.20mm) with PPS syn gut crosses and I like it alot. Lots of comfort, feel and power while still providing very good spin and control.
     
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    That sounds like a nice string rev, except that I could do without the extra power. If I don't find my favorite string in the batch that I already have, I think I'll go for FH 1.18 Black for a main, and cross it with a soft 17g synth gut, maybe Tecnifibre. I'm trying out Volkl now, but it's been discontinued. It's supposed to be similar to TF.

    I'm replacing Cyberflash and it wasn't very elastic, so between 38 and regular I think the regular might fit the bill. Also, according to Stringforum, FH 1.18 is a little lower powered.
     
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  35. Muppet

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    My regular cross string has been Dunlop Hexy Fiber and it's great with round main strings. But since I want to use MSV Focus-Hex 1.23 Black mains, I have given more thought to my choice of cross. It has to be durable, but I want to stick with a multi. So I'm thinking about Gamma Revelation 1.27. The lubricated surface may make it durable enough for Focus-Hex's edges.

    Has anyone used Revelation as a cross string? I've used it as a full bed and it lost tension a lot sooner than I would have liked. I didn't try pre-stretching it yet though.
     
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