McEnroe Meldown in Memphis...LOL !!!!!

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  1. Netbudda

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    Haha what a tool, he's still funny though
     
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    People come out to see McEnroe pitch a fit, and he obliges. That's show business.
     
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    It would have been interesting to see that live. :rolleyes: But I would have loved to be there more because of Wayne Ferreira. ;) I'm glad he won the match and I hope to see him play again in the future. :D
     
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    All part of his master plan :)
     
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    Based on McEnroe's TV tennis commentary and his book, I thought he had matured. However, he was a totally immature jerk at a similar Senior roundrobin championship held in April (I think) in the Boston area. His behavior was bad at most of his matches, but he took it to a new level of disgrace playing against an injured Pat Cash. He was extremely uptight right from the start of the match and was so totally intent on winning that he was like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum for virtually the entire match, blaming everyone but himself whenever he lost a point. He unfairly and continuously berated linesman for good calls that went against him. What an embarrassment to the sport. It became very painful to even watch him. This was not some premeditated act for the paying customers, most of whom were disgusted by his behaviour, especially the ones who brought their kids. The guy's temper is very seriously out-of-control.

    I like McEnroe's tennis commentary and I really enjoy watching him play (when his behavior is in-check), however, I would ban him from playing unless he can clean-up his on-court behaviour.
     
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    lol Love him or hate him it's what the fans pay to see.
     
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    He was trying to cheat his way out of a loss, as he has been doing all his career, along with Connors. I am glad it didn't work.

    Sit down for a few mintues and then play on? I was once victim of that tactic. I was up 3 match points in a league match tie-breaker when this jerk was "injured" and rested 15 minutes, and then decided to come back to play. Getting to every ball and beat me.

    Disgusting.
     
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    Yeah, someone post the link to the video...
     
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    Should have been done back in the 80s...
     
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    watching johnny mac sometimes is like watching hardcore tennis.
     
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    That's what makes Johnny Mac, Johnny Mac. Quit whining about his antics.
     
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    I know other people that change personalities in competition. They need to win at all costs. We use to joke that my brother would kill our mother to win. I'm not sure it was a joke. He seems to have gotten better, but Mac hasn't.
     
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    whoa, Mac is better commentating then playing, lol
     
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    I think much of his antics now is an act to draw in crowds to the senior events. I rmember when he did an exhibiton vs. Vilas where I lived as a kid people were upset he didn't carry on. Puts butts in the seats and gets people talking.
     
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    Yep, ticket sales will be way up for his next match...The casual sports fan, comes to see him blow up. They could care less about the quality of the tennis. Real hockey fans go to see the game, speed - the casual sports fan goes to see a fight...Sell tickets! It is all a show.
     
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    I'd heard that he put-on an act to please the crowd, but I think that must have been in exhibition matches before he dedicated himself to winning these Senior events. In the Boston event, I don't remember his first opponent, but the opponent was not playing to win and Johnny Mac was relatively mellow with a few outbursts that could be seen as an act. When he started playing opponents who he might possibly lose to, his demeanor became deadly serious and disruptive with a win-at-all-cost attitude. Definitely not an act. And definitely not an enjoyable sight. His match against Cash was the worst example, but he was pretty bad for most of his other matches as well. Against Cash, it was sort of like taking one of his Wimbledon meltdowns which only lasted for a minute or two and have it last for a whole match. Racket slamming, racket launching. Swearing at fans, linesman, the umpire. Endless questioning of calls. Cash played it very cool and definitely had the crowd on his side. I think if you'd seen it you'd understand what I'm talking about. McEnroe had lost control for an entire match and it was truly ugly.
     
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    So he injures his eye but still insists he sees line calls perfectly? Yeah, right. I saw that early match in Boston against Ivanisevic---at one point, he yelled at the ump, "I'll bet you $10,000 that ball was out, and you only have to put up one dollar!!" He was intimidating umps and linesmen during the whole tournament. After he lost in the final against Todd Martin, he blamed the linesmen. What a sportsman....
     
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    GS,

    You can't be serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

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    I AM serious, Stevie Ray! I'm glad I saw that match on TV for free, cos I wouldn't pay a dime to see him in person.
     
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    but it shouldnt be a part of tennis... i mean yelling shut up to umpires, then yelling at linesmen then almost knocking your eye off by hitting a tennis ball at the ground. if thats how you want tennis to be portrayed as a sport, then maybe you AND mcenroe should go to the same psychologist.
     
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    That's what makes Mac so entertaining.... not only his brilliant play... but you never know what's going to happen
     
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    Read "You cannot be serious" to understand McEnroe's psyche. I did, and I understood the man a bit better.
     
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    his antics definitely were no act. thats just jmac's oncourt, win-at-all costs, attitude. and martin is the exact opposite, no fire in the belly.
     
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    john mcenroe is a very rude player. he thinks, his tennis is an
    argument show. when you play you should show how good,
    and sportmanship you are. he makes tennis into an argument show.
    that's no tennis at all. i'd rather watch jerry springer show,than
    mcenroe. he's such a jerk!!
     
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    It didn't help matters when back in the 80s, in San Francisco, he started his yelling antics, refused to continue playing, got tossed out by the ump, then the promotor came on court and tossed the UMP out, and brought Mac back on court. That probably convinced Mac that he was God. Around that time, Bill Scanlon recalls in his book, playing him on that same Cow Palace court in the semis---Mac was losing, stopped his service motion, called Scanlon to the net and said, "Hey, c'mon, do you really think these people want to see a nobody in the finals, or me?" Scanlon beat him anyway. The worst thing is that in the past few years, Mac admitted his yelling and stallings were partly to change the tempo of the match in his favor. What a sportsman....
     
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    He is an arrogant, spoilt brat, that is all. No linesman or umpire should be asked to put up with this. They are not super rich like him, but they need not be treated in this fashion. Seems age has not brought any maturity. He needs to be disqualified from playing any tournament and banned from commentating. Why people still pay money to watch him play is beyond my comprehension.
     
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  30. Moose Malloy

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    gee, maybe because he's one of the greatest players of all time(who went 82-3 in 1984, highest win % of the open era), who played when tennis was at its peak of popularity. If it wasn't for Mac, Connors, Borg, tennis on tv may have never caught on, worldwide.

    If Mac didn't play on the senior tour, I'm not sure it would exist. Who the hell wants to see Todd Martin, Ferreira, Bruguera, Courier & Co play each other?
    Mac is the only all time great on the senior tour & they should do everything they can to keep him playing.
     
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    Why hasn't anyone made Johnny Mac play on a ShotSpot court yet?

    High comedy, I predict.
     
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    It is a moral/ethical thing. If you keep encouraging it, the bad behavior will continue. There is NO reason to put up with that kind of behavior, except sometimes in the military or law enforcement where people go thru extreme pressure and snap and need to be cut some slack. Tennis is totally unimportant for someone with this behavior to be tolerated.
     
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  33. Moose Malloy

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    Dude, he's been playing this way since 1977. In fact your comments sound like hundreds of columnists, commentators, that have spoken about him since then. Its a little to late for that, especially since tennis basically let him do whatever he wanted his entire career. He was/is bigger than the game, & tennis is a sport that depends more on stars(I read that the Thailand Open was a bust this year, since Federer, Roddick etc didn't play) than any other sport. Jmac helped make the sport bigger than it was, he deserves to do whatever the hell the wants, as long as people want to see him.

    Do you watch any other sports? There are plenty of hotheads in team sports. Pro sports isn't the real world & it isn't all fun & games.
     
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    i've never seen any statistics that show mac's behavior ever did anything for tennis. mac arrived when tennis popularity was already near its peak. mac just looks like a poor, tormented soul, who just has to win. i think good tennis would help the seniors tour more.

    but i admired mac for at least giving 100%, unlike martin who looked he was just playing a match at the club.
     
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    McEnroe and his antics is good for the game. You might not like him, but to say otherwise is silly. He's easily one of the most popular/infamous figure in recent tennis memory. I don't think there is any debate about that.

    The guy was like a rock star in his days. Never heard anybody ever accused him of being borig and bad for the game as a result. Never heard anybody ever question his drawing power either. Tennis needs the bad boys, just like it needs the nice guys.... and Mac was the baddest of the bad :evil:
     
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    Let him be bad in his personal life and splash it all over the news. Like Andre with Brooke Shields, Newk with his parties, etc etc. Remember Dennis Rodman? But this guy takes it out on the umpire and linesmen. Not to mention the opposing player. He is/was always a disgrace to the game. Tennis is not a contact sport or team sport where someone could claim to be swept away and punch someone in the heat of the moment. Nor is this guy one of the high testosterone boxers who just lose it. He is a whiney skinny guy who is just used to having his way.
     
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    There's no right or wrong answer. My personal feeling with McEnroe is that he's a guy who needs to get jumped in a back alley once. McEnroe's a guy who's never TRULY experienced life on the rocks, and yet to hear him talk, he sounds like this deep individual who knows about "real" life, as if he were a gritty individual. YET, he's a guy who because of his talent, because he grew up affluent, etc. has never had to really face what other "tough guy" personalities need to face, have faced, to "ground" them and give them some REAL perspective. As they say, everyone needs a good shot to the nose at least once in their life.

    Now with that said, McEnroe's temper is a HUGE attraction for the average fan. He's THE marquee name for the seniors tour and every tournament wants him because of it, he fills the seats. With McEnroe you get the possibility of a spectacle, a genius, and train wreck all-in-one. This thread alone proves that he gets people TALKING about him, DEBATING him, that means profit in the end, and ultimately that's the bottom-line.

    No right or wrong answer, it just is. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in tennis is when Henri Leconte finally got fed up with Mac's antics and ran and jumped the net and confronted Mac face to face, Mac was generally shocked, and didn't know what to do...like all bullies, he piped down when faced suddenly wtih the "bigger" man, BOTH figuratively and literally.
     
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    I just hate grumpy old men who complain too much for their age. I actually liked McEnroe (commentating only) until I saw this.
     
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    To funny. I like Mcenroe. Sure he's rude and Ignorant. But it's freakin' funny and entertaining
     
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    He has always, always been this way since the juniors. Except as a junior his tantrums would be more self directed as there was no one else to abuse in that they were often self officiated. Also different is that he often reduced himself to tears on-court and off as a result. Yes. Tears.

    He was a talent but repugnant since then. More reprehensible was that later in the professional ranks:

    1) he had someone (or more) else to berate

    2) the timing of his outbursts were never spontaneous anger, they seemed strategically timed to disrupt an opponent's concentration or run. His tirades rarely took place when ahead or if they did were not as long lived so as not to interrupt his own momentum on the way to a win.

    Yeah, he did contribute to the popularity of the sport, particularly in the US where he and Connors represented the anti-heroes to Borg and later "a communist" Lendl.

    But the type of "popularity" his behavior garnered, especially from the mainstream sports media, when they "went to the video tape" always appeared to be "watch this trainwreck" and relatively little notice of the outcome of the match or showing of Mc's tennis talent. It appealed to the masses in a sense, but the same masses who go to car races, though they are unlikely to admit it, not to see the shiny go fast cars but are actually waiting for the same kind of wreck.

    His behavior as a teen one could almost be excuse as being an immature "brat".
    As a full time tour pro? A calculated gamesman and/or cheat.
    Now with "all the stakes" of a senior event in the balance it is still the latter and has all the sincerity of a "Pro Wrestling challenge" and has actually become a pitiful dark comedy.

    He was and has always been an a$$hole, albiet a talented one, which for some excuses all.
     
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    And these are probably the same ones who are outraged by Sharapova's shrieking. Yet when it comes to McEnroe, he is just "giving his all" to the game.

    And he is one shrewd scamster, as you point out. His outrages are very timely, and off the court, he is very clever when it comes to opportunities to make money. He counteracts all this with an underdog image as the guy who took on the USTA or always played the Davis Cup.
     
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    I was at the match that night. This was no act. McEnroe lost it repeatedly during the match. He was as bad the next night against Wilander. When he hit himself in the face with the ball, trust me it was no accident. I'll post about my whole Memphis experience, and it was cooler than cool, in another thread, but Mats told me that he was as close to quitting for the first time ever in his match against McEnroe as he's ever been. He was actually doing well in the 2nd set when McEnroe went off again...and again. Wilander told me that he (Wilander) got mad at the chair ump for making McEnroe mad. Why? Because McEnroe is the only guy in the world who actually plays better when he's mad.
     
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    I never thought it was 100% an act. Other posters have said before that he does this now to please the crowd and they quote him saying "It is almost in my contract". I don't think it is that simple. He may start out thinking the crowd wants to see him lose it - then get caught in it himself and really lose it. Human psychology is strange.
     
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    Larsson just put a beatdown in Memphis(& he was a last minute substitute)

    d Cash 62,61
    d Martin 63,64
    d Krickstein 62,63
    Final:d Ferreira 63,64
     
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    Ferreira was also a last minute substitute!

    Larsson is a great guy, very open and genuine. He was very receptive to the fans and I spent a couple of hours talking with Larsson and Wilander. Wilander was great as well.
     
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  48. Moose Malloy

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    well, now you have to give us more details of that talk. was this event held at the same venue as the tour stop in Feb?


    "At home in Sweden "doing nothing" except having a casual hit with legend Stefan Edberg, Magnus Larsson jumped at the chance to come to Memphis and compete in his first Outback Senior Tour event after Petr Korda was forced to withdraw due to an illness.

    One last-minute trans-Atlantic flight and some jet lag later, Larsson was back in the city where he won the 2000 ATP event. One week later on Sunday he was holding up the trophy after a 6-3, 6-4 win over Wayne Ferreira in the final.

    "It's been a great week for me here in Memphis," Larsson said. "It turned out to be a pretty good trip."

    Larsson retired from play on the ATP in 2003, in 1995 reaching his career-high ranking of No. 10.

    In the 3rd/4th place playoff match Todd Martin handed John McEnroe his second consecutive tournament loss in a 3rd/4th place playoff after Charlotte by the scoreline 6-3, 6-4.

    "This is the best I've played since 2004 probably," Martin said. "A big part of it is coming out and knowing what I want to do. I've played John a lot. He pushes me around a lot, so I decided to tough it out a bit and get to the net."

    http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2006-10-09/d.php
     
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    I was thinking of starting another thread. There was a great deal that was said. Wilander is very astute and a great fan of the game albeit on a totally different level than us. :)
     
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    If I were in the seats and saw that, I'd have started yelling at him myself. It's not like he's a 6'9" Power forward in the NBA. He's a skinny little runt.

    Makes me want to go to one of these events just to get the chance to heckle him.
     
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