Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by peRFection, Jun 14, 2011.
McEnroe,"It does not matter how well Rafa and Novak are playing.Wimbledon is all about Roger."
No one can argue with this statement from the most talented player and insightful expert of all time!
( and I don't like the Mcenroe )!!!
Mac is great BUT if Murray is in the final it will all be about Murray. Even if he loses...
McEnroe is always "all about roger." He needs one of those Adidas shirts. I don't agree with him though. Favorites= Novak and Nadal imo ... with some Murray drama sprinkled on top. Despite rogers dominance at the french I think he will fly relatively under the radar in the wake of Nadal, Murray, and Djoker. Roger has made so many semifinals and his presence is expected. Hopefully that works for him like at the french.
I think this wimby has so much to offer to all of the top 4.
If the top 4 make it to the semis, this will be the third straight time in a Grand Slam tournament this has happened. Wonder whether this is unprecedented?
Remind us all who was in the AO SF
(I agree with Mac, even if Rafa wins this year's Wimbledon, I think the story will be whether Federer is on the verge of retirement or not. The longer he goes without a slam, the louder the talk is. US Open could be Federer's final slam, especially if he starts thinking he won't be able to win the Olympics on grass - so this year's Wimbledon may tell him that)
He's just kidding..
Wimbledon has been all about Nadal since he won the greatest match ever there.
RG is all about Nadal. That's about it as far as Naphal goes
Hmmm..isn't JMac a ******* as of late? Anyway, I hope he's right and Federer continues his high form of the FO. Even if Fed doesn't win I'm just happy to see him play good matches. He seriously needs to stop choking and start converting BPs more often. I think tennis fans worldwide are prepared for the next Federer GS win ;-)
Djokovic made his statement in the AO
Nadal made his in the FO (a bit lucky to not face his current owner)
Fed needs to make his at Wimbledon
Really? Funny, I though Nadal nearly lost some five-setters last year, and one of them he was stealing in the most unsportsmanship-like behavior I've seen. But I guess I must have imagined things.
Yes, because he's beaten Federer at Wimbledon since then.
Well it wouldn't reflect good on the field if an ancient museum exponent like Roger wins the title that's for sure.
People don't need to post links anymore? There's no story showing the quote in the OP. Bogus thread.
He's not retiring any time soon, unless hit by serious injury (ies) or he starts stringing together pre-QF slam losses. What kind of hit me recently is Federer would be lost without tennis; this is what he does. I don't think he really has any plans for what to do after he retires. He loves the attention and the competition, and I think he's well aware of that. He's about as married to tennis as he is to Mirka. I don't think he would even think about leaving it at the first sign of adversity. It's gonna take more than losing his "truly elite" status to get him to sign off.
That's the sense I get, anyway.
he said he wants to play as long as he can and would like kids to watch him lose to Nadal a few times when they get a little older.
There's nobody quite like Fed huh? He can lose and lose and lose and people will keep cheering for him. That's how great he is. Greatest ever or not, I don't care, I just appreciate that the guy can still play some brilliant tennis on occasion. Yeah, Nadal will probably end up with more slams, and yes, Fed will likely lose more matches and go down even more in the rankings. But he's Fed, and and I cheer for Fed
(Forget Wozjokovic and Federetire, the world is ready to see THE RAFA SLAM, coming Australia 2012)
(Far from the FIRST sign of adversity, the signs are continuous. How does he want to retire? After 2 years of no slam titles? 5 years?)
The day Fed retires is the day tennis goes down. My friends dont know tennis, but they know roger federer and would turn on the tv just to watch him play, not anybody else.
Tennis in general is all about Roger, in the same way that golf is about Tiger Woods. Doesn't matter whether they're dominating or not.
And the only reason why nadal is big is because hes considered fed's kryptonite and rival. every villain is only as great as his hero
it's really a shame that player who has the worst volleys and serve in history as a #1, does so great at W.
A tournament that was all about S&V, it really is a disaster for tennis.
Nice to see BULLZ1LLA has some serious competition.
(Rafa is big because he's winning slams faster than any player since Borg, and already has a Career Grand Slam and the Masters Shield record, and he's won 4 of the last 5 slams. That tends to make you big)
Mac blows with the wind and this statement is just as crazy as his pronouncements on GOAT. While I like Fed's chances if he plays his best, he is a bit past his prime and Nole and Nadal are just as in the picture at this point in time.
it was h2h with fed
and then when he won a few, it became "age adjusted slam count"
now it is the rate of winning
and soon what? double derivative on winning? rate of rate of winning?
(H2H? Means nothing. It makes no difference who Rafa has beat, he could have beat Roddick and Hewitt in every final and it wouldn't change a thing. Federer got away with beating those chumps, Federer is still credible despite the weak era he won in)
and nadal was whacking them to record consecutive USO/AO finals appearances (i don't want to be too harsh to ask for winning).
(Rafa has only just reached his prime on hardcourts in 2010, winning US Open and beating Murray/Djokovic at the Indoor World Tour Finals, and even taking a set from Federer [Federer is undefeated vs Rafa at Indoor venues]. As far as hardcourts are concerned, this is only the beginning. There is a reason why Rafa was originally known as a clay-court specialist. He is a genius on clay and grass to an extent, while his evolution on hardcourts is merely great)
Disagree. I don't think Federer has any intentions of retiring any time soon. Just my opinion
He's aiming to pick up some more FOs after Nadal retires.
With the massive improvements to the facilities and prize money offered the French Open and Australian Open are now universally recognized as very important grand slam events. This has been exacerbated with the demise of the year end championship in importance due to it now being 2-3 sets and being moved from NY. The masters used to be extremely important. Now the slam count is paramount and Roger knows this. If he plays 3 more seasons and adds a slam or two it will add to his legacy. No one will remember or care if he was ranked 8 in the world or didn't win much else.
My post was part joke however Federer really had a realistic chance to win the FO had Murray beaten Nadal in the SF. At times it looks unlikely however Federer might actually be a top 5 longer than Nadal.
Due to the USO Super Saturday scheduling Wimbledon looks a more realistic title from an endurance/recovery point of view unless Federer plays the first SF against an easy opponent.
There Should Be a Major Every Week!
That way this faucet of tardism could be eliminated and the sportsmanship these two rivals exhibit would be on display constantly and maybe rub off on the more outspoken of the regular combatants.
BTW, Fed isn't retiring anytime soon. It's pretty evident he really enjoys what he does. "Find something you love to do and you'll never have to work a day in your life". Barring injury, he may envision Guga placing a medal around his neck in Brasil 2016.
(Yeah, but most people find fatherhood fun, at least for a decade. Maybe Federer enjoys his slamless years on tour more than daily fatherhood. Either way, I'm sure this Wimbledon will tell Federer a lot about whether he can still play on grass sufficiently to challenge for the London Gold Medal. If he doesn't win the Gold next year, it would be the ultimate disappointment, and Rafa the likely victor again considering the Olympic Final is best-of-5 sets)
He would have beaten Murray. Federer is a bad match up for Murray. Unlike Djokovic and Nadal, Murray cannot pressure Federer.
How many kids do you have?
Why Go There Constantly?
You, my friend, are a prime example of what we could use less of on this forum! Why mention Fed's family at all? I've never seen a post bringing up Rafa's parents' messy divorce status. It's irrelevant! Let your Zilla boy play and if he wins, rejoice. If not, show some class for a change and salute whomever else is the victor.
As to "slamless" years, care to identify even one since '02 for Fed. Pretty impressive stuff, no?
(None, but I've spoken to fathers, and all that I've spoken to have enjoyed the first decade of their children. The teen years whereas, appear to be awful for fathers
Ummm.....we've just gone a whole year without Federer winning a slam, and it's likely to continue, based on the improvement of his rivals. As for Federer's family, I can't even tell you their names nor how many, I was talking broadly about fatherhood being something you'd think a tennis player would enjoy more than constant disappointment [assuming losing slam finals is disappointing for a former regular winner of slams])
There You Go Again, Z1lla!
"Constant Disappointment???" A wiser man than I (and certainly you) once told me "only mediocre people are always at their best." Fed set the bar pretty high, no? Rafa chases that height. Why can't you just let them settle it w/o your "cute", overused barbs? How many Red Bulls did you drink this morning? The reason I ask is the BS just keeps streaming out of your fingers.
(What bar is Rafa chasing exactly? Federer never won RG, Wimbledon and US Open in the same year. Federer never set the Masters shields record. Federer never set the single-surface record of 81. Federer didn't win the Career Grand slam as early as Rafa did. And Federer doesn't have the GS Final conversion rate of Rafa. Rafa looks more likely to join Sampras as a 7-time winner of a slam title. Apart from the 16 slams, does Rafa need anything that Federer has? No. It looks like Federer is the one doing the chasing, of Sampras' weeks ranked number one, and Rafa's Olympic Singles Gold)
23 straight semi finals? At least 5 time winner of the AO, USO, and Wimby? 237 straight weeks at number 1? The records that you mentioned are amazing, but so are these made by Federer which would be hard for Nadal to equal.
You know this how exactly? Did Federer tell you this himself?
If Federer does not win any slams or a medal at the Olympic Games in 2012, he will retire. Mark my words. My feeling is he wants to try and go out with a bang--i.e. a slam win if he can achieve that now.
Currently it's all about Nadal.
Historically, Wimbledon has been way more about Sampras, Federer, and Borg than it is about Nadal.
Wow, I still don't see a link posted to the quote in the OP. I guess people can just post random quotes without proof and start flame wars now. This place really is going downhill lately.
Or maybe because Nadal has already won 10 GS at age 25? Without Federer Nadal would still be one of the very very best.
On topic, I disagree with Mcnroe. Nadal has showed in 2007 and 2008 that he can rivalize with Federer at Wimbledon. He is a 2 time wimbledon winner and 2 times finalist. He is a factor of course.
If both play well they can do an epic match.
The "Tell" is in His Demeanor!
I, as well as 99.99% of TT posters, do not have private conversations with various pro players on a regular basis. Of course he did not tell me his career plans. The "tell" is in his demeanor within the bounds of his public performances. He loves the game and you can clearly see it. He loves the spotlight and all the ancillary responsibilities of being one of the biggest stars ever. Why would he walk away when it isn't a grind to him?
Your scenario parallels the end of Sampras' career. I don't see the angst Sampras visibly expressed towards the end of his prime. Fed has been settled in with his personal life. Pete had just met Brigitte and moved from Orlando to LA to be near her while he was doggedly chasing the consecutive #1-year-ending record. He has admitted he was burnt out from the quest and torn between his personal and professional personnae.
I don't see Fed ripped up by any such turmoil. That's my opinion. You have yours. Don't flame on me because I didn't qualify my statement with the IMHO letters. Did Fed tell you he'll retire after a "big bang" send-off? I doubt it.
Generally when you have won 14 consecutive matches and 26 out of your last 28 at a venue, you have to be considered a favourite
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