Mcenroe's talkshow bombing.......

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  1. driger

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    FLASH: McEnroe hit all time low since CNBC launch last night, scratching at NIELSEN with just 30,000 viewers nationwide . . . McEnroe has now scratched [scored a 0.0 rating] 19 out of 25 times since he's been on the air
     
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  2. lenosucks

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    He should really just give it up, i mean he's absolutely horrible as a host. And it's obvious it's him since he's actually had some really good guests, guests that on other talk shows would create really good ratings.
     
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  3. NoBadMojo

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    man lenosucks..if you think leno sucks how bad can you think johnny mac is? lol..i agree though..he's had some great guests....there's no warmth or character or real humour coming out of him and he is a terrible interviewer...and even his set sucks and lacks warmth and is uninviting....it seems like a high school produced talk show to me. is there a single tw poster that likes the show?? ed
     
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  4. dander

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    i'm willing to bet that the only people who actually watch that awful **** are frequent posters to this board
     
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  5. NoBadMojo

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    dander i think you are right..only the true tennis junkies would watch something like that
     
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  6. derekquinn

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    I think that people expect Mac to be as passionate and fiery as he was about his game. But off the court he seems uncomfortable in his skin and very wooden.


    He's a great tennis commentator though.
     
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  7. larrhall

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    He looks malnourished. Patti Smythe needs to feed him more. He is a complete embarrassment to the theory of the tough, worldly New Yorker. It would be more interesting if he just talked, maybe about how Wimbledon discriminates against him by not offering a wild card into the singles at age 44, or retell the story about how Stefanie Graf Agassi scr*wed him by not playing mixed doubles with a thigh injury.
     
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  8. jjames

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    mcenroe seemed pretty uncomfortable in his own skin on the court as well.
     
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  9. dander

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    can a Nielsen rating enter subzero territory? let's talk about how he had almost no hair ten years ago and now seems to be doing alright, or how he pioneered the afro-mullet back in the 70's...that would set the cable news talk scene on fire
     
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    Who is Mac's sidekick? He didn't even say who he was on the first show.
     
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  11. joe sch

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    Mac is a lousy talk show host ! He is obviously not comfortable with that job, he needs to learn how to relax and just does not seem to be interested in most of the dialogs. Atleast he has the nerve to show how being the top entertainer in tennis does not mean he can make it as a musican or talk show host. He is a great tennis commentator so hopefully he will go back to that after his show get pulled.
     
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  12. !Tym

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    When is the show on?
     
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  13. NoBadMojo

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    its on cnbc weeknights and they have the nerve to air it twice each nite...ack
     
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    he's very well-connected in NYC and his mix of locally-oriented + national & international guests reflect this but....he sucks as a host. I watch because I like him and his guests but not because he's any kind of host/interviewer. His guests seem to respect him though.
     
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    He should get Johnny Carson as a guest ............ tail wags dog.
     
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  16. Cruzer

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    Consider McEnroe as a summer fill-in program that will be gone when the fall comes around. The way CNBC goes through various talk show formats his days are certainly numbered. I heard that at CNBC no one has a name plaque outside their office. Everyone has a little whiteboard outside their office so the names can be changed easily. BTW his sidekick is John Fugelsang (sp?) a comedian who is probably cursing his agent for getting him into this McEnroe debacle.
     
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  17. altawolfe

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    mac seems nervous every second of the show.
     
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  18. bigserving

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    If he does not have a racquet in his hand, I have no interest in what John McEnroe may think, or feel, or say, or do.

    Apparently, I am not alone.
     
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  19. Chanchai

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    Mac seems too narrowly focused. When his guests speak, he wants like one specific sentence or line from them... and they often bring up interesting topics too, but he kinda kills it by instantly switching it out of nowhere.

    About John Fugelsang, the "sidekick of the new millenium" I have no doubts the guy has other areas he could fill in other programs or even his own... well, maybe I'm being optimistic... but I can't stand him as the sidekick. He seems to be the smarmy guy CNBC sends to try to put Mac back on track, but if anything, just sort of brings further self-deprecation and lack of dignity to the show. I mean, the guy is kinda schmoozy whenever he speaks on the show and it just doesn't feel real. Maybe because of what someone else mentioned, wanting to kill his agent lol.

    To me, what's really tough on this show though (and it may even sound somewhat on the contrary to my post earlier that Mac is narrowminded as a host), is that this show just seems too insecure, like Johnny-Mac. You sort of look into what Johnny-Mac has said about himself in just about anywhere and the guy seems insecure to me. You read his autobiography and you will probably really get a good glimpse of that (at least I did). You watch this show, and it's about as insecure as anything involved with John McEnroe.

    I mean, Conan turns some people off because his show seems based on self-deprecation, but the guy also seems to have an air of confidence and belief in his show while projecting that self-mockery. Much more confidence than Johnny-Mac. McEnroe seems like the kid who tries but doesn't believe.

    True, nobody expected or expects this show to last... But at least act like it's the best show out there with conviction. But don't stretch and sigh.

    I am surprised at the guest pool they've had though. Much better than I ever expected.

    -Chanchai
     
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  20. frankm

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    Oh cmon

    he is not that bad.. give him a c hance.. do you remember how bad conan was when he first started.. damn he was bad. but he got better..

    I actually like his show has the unprepared feel. I like the awkward silences. Its more realistic.. and its different from the rest of the formula stuff.. But I guess Im different in that i thought TOm snyder did real justice to late night tv until he got pulled because we cant seem to sit and listen to dialog or discourse.. Unbelievable.. Give mac a chance.. this is coming from a guy who really did not like him as a player. i think he is over priveleged brat who never really had to suffer. But i do respect that he worked hard in tennis. even t hat is debatable. I was a Connors man.
     
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    Yeah, Johnny can't seem to look either his guests, his audience, or the camera in the eye -- this is a basic requirement for television. Mac is too introspective and moody to be a host. He is a his best as a side kick when he is able to interject insightful commentary while allowing the rest of the show go on. Does anyone remember the day a year or two ago when USA let Mac loose on the air by himself? It was a nightmare!
     
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  22. jjames

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    the insult dog was on tonight. watching mcenroe get insulted was probably johns best show. mac is just bad. mac pretended to eat dog poop. think he lost a few more viewers.
     
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    THis 'talk show' is simply another in the long line of his desperate attempts to remain in the public eye. He must be just about the most insecure being on the planet, as he is perpetually seeking fame.

    I believe I actually respect Connors more, because, as much of an obnoxious egomaniac Jimbo is, he's at least staying clear of the media now. But McEnroe is simply a media wh*re - which, incidentally, is something he has always claimed to despise.

    Someone please give this hypocrite a mirror...
     
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  24. jjames

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    duece-i think you've described johnny mac to T, although i dont see connors as an obnoxious egomaniac. and think he proving it by staying out of the public eye. connors was an intense competitor who boiled over when things didnt go right, and a rebel that probably suited his era in the 70's.
     
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  25. Chanchai

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    Something else also comes to mind... Aside from the establishments (Letterman, Leno, MAYBE Conan...), does anyone else think that Primtime/Late Nite Talk Shows are just out of vogue int he US? Sure, they're still popular in almost every other country, but I just can't help but feel that they are no longer relevant in the US and furthermore, they always seem to be the last ditch effort for stardom for a lot of expired contracts.

    To be honest, I way prefer McEnroe to Carson Daly's talk show. Heck, if we stretch to daytime (where the establishment is pretty much Oprah)... Didn't White America's favorite black man (Wayne Brady) lose his show too? I heard Ellen started off well, but it just seems like I never hear about it unless I'm watching it. Another MTV Graveyard in Ananda Lewis (who seemed like she sometimes had decent interviews on MTV *cringe--can't believe I'm saying this* but obviously couldn't interview on her show either). There were once people named Ricky Lake, Montel, Jerry Springer (though some would say he's immortal, not me), Geraldo, Donahue, etc... in the days when talk shows were in vogue. But it just seems like talk shows = desperate struggle and stardom graveyard to me these days anyways. Heck did daytime talk beyond Oprah sort of die with Rosie? Okay... I know I've been in college too long if I could name all of those talk shows....

    But anyways... back to primetime... can anyone even imagine a successful new primtime talk show? To be honest, I'm surprised Conan and Craig Killborn (as much as I like Craig's awkward humor...) are still around. Anyone know how Jimmy Kimmel's show is doing? I'm guessing it might be an exception as one of the best if not the best of the new talk shows that have premiered in the few years.

    Anyone have any ideas of how a new talkshow would even be "good?" I'm not excusing McEnroe... but the conversation has me thinking that outside of the establishments, primetime talk shows are just dead in the US.

    -Chanchai
     
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  26. doubletrouble

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    Talk show ???????????? you mean it isn't an hour long paid political announcement by whiney liberal northeastern I hate Bush democrats. Mac will gone come November. I think they threw him out there to balance out the Dennis "I ruined Monday Night Football" Miller Show. At least Dennis is funny sometimes. :lol:
     
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  27. chazz

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    Has McEnroe had any tennis players on his show yet? I know Andy Roddick called in once. Maybe it would be more interesting if McEnroe talked more about tennis since that's what he's most comfortable with. It would be cool if he had on Jimmy Connors.
     
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  28. no mon.. Mac show ein't bombing. Only RoDdIcK Iz Da BoMb! Mac should give da bomb a call. Roddick would be da hit of da show.
     
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    Did anyone see Jimmy Kimmel Live last night. Josie Maran was on the show and poor jimmy couldn;t keep a conversation going for his life. He kept starring at her assets and she was calling him on it, it was brutal!!!
     
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    I guess I never really considered that he could actually get better...but yeah, you're right, he could. I just saw one of the shows when he had John Cusack on during the DNC and Mac just seemed to be struggling to find convrsation...of course so did Cusack...
     
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  31. doubletrouble

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    i am the trouble maker of the double trouble team expressing the opposing view...
    my partner and i share this logon...as tennis fanantics

    thank goodness for mac! lighten up!...we created america so we could have different opinions and be able to express them ...what ever happened to that concept 'celebrate diversity'?
    now my rant isnt about mac's lameness..yes, he is!
    but you go mac! let there be aplace of 'becoming' and
    may all opposing views be expressed until we can all see the oneness in all things- where all can see the dichotomy, the irony, the
    play of life, the
    game is life...
    let us express it...! let us figure out how to win
    i was excited about mac's show because tv in general is so unsatisfactory
    i think he intends to get the truth out-for instance when he goes off talking about rupert murdock...he seems driven about his agenda...and thats ok...everyone else is too
    that is just my hit
    you go mac
    ...say it for all of us wanna be guitar players, tennis pros, tv talk show hosts living the high life, who would like a shot at having a voice on international tv!! people who want to see the free country restored to its rightful place
    an example of equanimity
    i enjoyed the variety of figures he is getting on and dont know if he can learn in time how to be a good host ...before they ax it potentially but i do think it a good ploy in the current political climate
    he's open to suggestions on his website so go there and tell him...
    and hey ...thanks to dennis miller for making me laugh at everything thats insane in this world ! i am for social change...and the only way it happens is to shake it up


    and he may not be the best example of tennis but its really great for tennis, i think ....its about time!!!
    i have seen a little bit of another show called top spin... thats pretty awesome too. they give you some insight into the pros life off the courts and what its like to travel all the time with the schedules they have and such

    grow tennis grow!



    :wink: :!:
     
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    Rack Im!!!

    TROUBLE!! Very Nice Post! Although I agree with only about 5% of what you wrote, (news flash cuz, without a racquet in his hand, McEnroe really blows) passionate, well-thought-posts are quite welcome here.

    Posts like yours are far better than most of the TW knuckleheads who simply repeat what they have heard somewhere else.

    Welcome, keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  33. Brian Purdie

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    I'm sticking with my predition: off the air by USO time, and back in the USA/CBS broadcasting booth
     
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