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  1. Topspin Shot

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    Just a few competitive rallies as part of a game to 21, which I lost 21-16. This is with a friend who plays for a mid-major D1 college and beats me about half the time we play. I'd be happy to hear feedback. EDIT: I will get the video up momentarily. The Silva video was an accident. Grrr.
     
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  2. janm

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    Your link does not work
     
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  3. Shroud

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    you sure thats the right link?

    Its a leg breaker for sure.
     
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  4. This should be good :twisted:
     
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  5. Topspin Shot

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    I am in the near court wearing the hat.
     
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  8. cjs

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    I think you could benefit by hitting some of your opponent's shots on the rise, rather than back pedalling and hitting a loopy ball off the back foot.
     
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  10. Topspin Shot

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    Agreed. That and my serve are what I'm focusing on the most right now.

    Thank you. It was about 45 degrees with a cool breeze.
     
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  11. Chill out there Rafa! TopspinShot a very appropriate username.
     
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  12. Ballinbob

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    Good hitting and not a bad video angle either

    You look like a really good counter puncher and you've got really good depth and height on your shots

    IMO, I think you can afford to be a little more aggressive. Sometimes it seems like you're falling backwards when you hit, too. I think having some more forward momentum when you hit will make you a little more aggressive without sacrificing much consistency.

    That's about all I got since you're better than me :) thanks for sharing
     
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  13. janm

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    Yeah was about the say TopSpin shot is a great username.
    Nice hitting.
     
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  14. Regarding the video, not enough external pronation at POC. Lacking severely in supination of internal rotators on left side of shoulder on backhand contact. Refer to article 56, paragraph 2 for SSC on one handed backhand, sorry i cant use harvard referencing i dont have time as im on mobile.

    i do like your millenium serve though and the wrist extension coupled with radial deviation is very impressive but it needs some more of this

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  15. cjs

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    I look forward to seeing the next serve video. I like your motion.
     
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    Solid hitting! Your swing path around contact is very good, but your shots can be a lot heavier (and not necessarily less loopy) if you can get more balanced and shorten up the backswing. Backswing is usually based on preference, but your windup may be eating up your time and forcing you into too much defense.

    Back to balance - on every forehand I saw, your torso is leaning too far back at contact - there's no way you can stay balanced, and indeed you end up falling back when hitting many of your forehands. Without a stable hitting foundation, you're relying even more on hand-eye coordination to hit the ball cleanly.
     
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    Topspin Shot,

    You seem to be very knowledgeable about tennis strokes, but from the video, I feel like you don't do what you preach (not necessarily a criticism of your posts, as not many can do what they know). On the forehand, you don't really use the left hand to take the racquet back. If you did, I think that your backswing will become more compact as the left hand will keep the right in check. Also, the swing path, whose importance you discuss in various threads, seem to be way larger than the 33 degrees that Nadal uses in the photo posted above, leading to the spinny but floaty ball. As for your backhand, you seem to adopt the loop backswing instead of the smiley backswing employed by typical ATP 2hbhs, which starts out by bringing the hands down before moving them up. But at the same time, you stop low as opposed to high on your backswing, and I think this is robbing you of power, as you don't have the power of gravity to propel the racquet into the ball.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    Pretty nice hitting, but I'm not feeling your balance.
     
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  19. You are correct he does not practice what he preaches but that is very hard to do. I am a coach and tell my players to do certain things, then I look at my strokes and they are ridiculous, I see these loopy long WTA style backswings for no reason when I think I am hitting with controlled compact swings.
     
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  20. JohnMartin

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    The loopiness comes from the lack of body rotation in the forward swing. Your shoulders often stops square to the target. Pros usually go further
     
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    Why do you feed balls with topspin on them?
     
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    some people have trouble doing a flat feed out of the hand.
     
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    I actually prefer balls to be fed to me with topspin across the net. The only time I want a flat ball fed to me is if I am trying to work on a very specific shot/shadow motion.
     
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    Thanks for the video.

    Non-stroke comment: You're not doing split steps correctly. I noticed that in the first video you posted a while ago. I can see you're trying to do split steps so that's good but the way you do them are having an almost detrimental effect.
     
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    Since you asked:

    Lots of good points already made. A couple of things I noticed:

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    The basic swing has some good points. The prep and feet aren't working for me. Make it simpler. Set-up with the racquet in front - look like Djokovic. Split step at opponent's contact. Move to the ball. Try to avoid moving backwards. For the basic stroke, set that outside leg behind the ball in open stance, load it, and swing. You're trying to make every shot the both feet off the ground thing where the back foot comes forward.

    There's some fixes on the swing too. Look at some pro videos.

    You should be able to generate more racquet head speed with a lot less effort.

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    The basic stroke doesn't work for me here. I see it as you're just pushing the racquet through contact. It has no lag, no whip. The feet are still a problem too. Again, move to the ball, set-up, swing. Try to not have all of motion, falling over, etc.

    Sorry, that's a lot of criticism and not much discussion of the good point - and there are good points.
     
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  26. Ballinbob

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    Can you elaborate on why his split step is wrong? Not necessarily disagreeing with you, just curious.
     
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  27. Spin Doctor

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    1. You need to relax a little, actually a lot. You look like you are trying way too hard. Your movement looks inefficient.
    2. Your left arm was down on all your forehands. Check out pro videos and watch what they do with their non-dominant hand.
    3. You are falling back on all your forehands. You need to move into the shot. Otherwise you will continue to get these spinny shots but no penetration.
    4. Your arm is coming across your body way too quickly. You need to extend the arm out more before coming across. Again, that will give you more penetration. Not a fan of your follow through but that is a personal preference and probably caused by your falling back and not extending enough.
     
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  28. Cheetah

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    It's easier to notice in his other vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7g6EMLL8Q
    Watch the first 5 or so split steps then look for it in the video he posted today.

    Without trying to be too critical because we're all hacks compared to the people actually making money by playing but..

    What he tends to do (not always) is:
    . He lands from his split step in a hard thud. You should land on your toes and optimally be already shifting weight to the desired direction. He comes down hard and flat on his heels and stops. From there he has to start movement again by bending again and pushing off. That's wasted time and energy right there. For a split step to really be effective you should land in a springy motion on your toes and shift weight and direction all in one move. That's more efficient, quicker and takes less energy.

    . More often than not he jumps too high. Even higher than Murray who takes a higher than average split step.. or at least he used to anyway. This is another energy/time waster. Sometimes it looks like he's a hurdler doing warmup jumps in place before a race because he raises his knees during the split. There shouldn't be any knee raising and the push should be fromf the toes and feet and maybe the calves and into a wide stance for the soft landing and not not a push using a lot of quads and gluts.

    . Because of his footwork he often takes a split step starting with his left leg in front of his right leg and lands like that. Then it's a lot of work to move left if the ball goes that way.

    . His base when landing is too narrow. The feet should be 1.5 to 2 shoulder length widths apart ideally. I guess this is tied into his general footwork as he never has a wide base. When he moves around the court he is almost standing straight up w/ very little knee bend. Being in an athletic balanced position with a healthy bend is better for many reasons.

    Look at Dimitrov moving around here in this excellent video submitted by TTW member aimr75.
    Look how wide Grigor is even when running. He looks like a crab scurrying around the beach:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6p5ZdGR4hU&t=33s

    You can tell OP knows he has to stay low and he does this by hunching over by bending at the waist which is an unbalanced position.
    Better posture with more knee bend and straighter back position would be more effective.

    He needs to be lighter on his feet. Yes I know it's easier said than done but he has talent and he's coordinated and fit etc etc... so his footwork should be better. He's always off balance running around the court and is too upright. You can tell he's off balance w/o even watching the video. Just listen to the audio and you can tell. You can hear thuds, and slaps and skids in the wrong places and you can hear he's trying to catch his balance after losing it etc. If you just listen to a pro's footwork you can hear a smooth rhythm almost. It's almost beautiful sounding.

    I know the he has the talent to do these things he just needs to make footwork more of a priority and he gets a lot of credit for actually doing split steps on every ball.
    IMHO
    Good luck Topspin
     
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  29. srimes

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    just curious what nrpt rating you would have?
     
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    Thanks for the explanation Cheetah. Topspin should consider himself lucky he got so many responses in this thread, I wish I did when I posted my vid. He's smart enough to know which advice to heed and this will only make him better

    For the people who are saying Topspin has a floaty shot with no penetration- I disagree and I think you need to go watch the video again. His shots are all deep with a lot of topspin. How in the world is that a floaty shot that can be attacked? How is a shot landing that close to the baseline not penetrating enough? He has an excellent rally ball IMO.
     
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    Delete post.. .....
     
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    You can't always judge someone by how his or her strokes look. Topspin's shots (fitting name) look extremely heavy and solid even though they aren't exactly the most aesthetically pleasing shots a la Federer (no offense Topspin Shot). It looks tough to take his shots on the rise but I think if he can use this as his rally ball and maybe be a little bit more efficient when he needs to end the point by moving his weight forward, he should be fine. Good hitting!
     
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  33. Cheetah

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    They are saying that because while the shots have a lot of top and are deep they are too high for that pace. Because of the height and pace the ts loses it's effectiveness so the ball doesn't kick when it lands. It just bounces. There's no biting dip to the ball before it bounces. This gives the opponent a lot of time to setup.

    If you look at his opponent he's always in position well ahead of time and is literally camped out waiting for ball. The opponent never appears rushed. Doesn't have to fight off any balls. They are not that heavy. The opponent is not scrambling ever. All of the opponent's misses appear to be unforced errors.

    They are saying the shots are not penetrating because usually people ascribe s penetrating ball as one that doesn't land deep but has enough pace or bite to carry it through the court. Take a nadal moonball for instance. They can land inside the service line but have so much pace and spin that the ball still penetrates through the court and is still rising when it crosses the baseline. Or a Fed laser low trajectory service line bouncer that goes straight through the court maintaining it's pace throughout. (pretty much).
     
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  34. tlm

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    Are you kidding 5.0-5.5 wow I would never have thought that more like 4.0-4.5.
     
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    5.5 no
    Strong 45 to weak 50 ish
     
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    Topspin Shot, since you are playing a competitive rally game, you should probably try to practice being a little bit more aggressive. I didn't see any shot that you tried to put away. This would help instill a more offensive mindset that can make your matches a lot easier instead of just grinding.
     
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    You can say he hits an excellent rally ball, sure, if there are other gears. At least from the video, I didn't see any. The point is that the floaty ball is a reflection of his stroke production (strong upward path, created by the whole arm/body) and seems not to be done by choice. And if this is the case, then there would be weaknesses. For example, how would he reply to a slice, especially short ones. I'm not sure if it's because they were rallying, but the opponent didn't really hit any slices. When he hit a short crosscourt shot, Topspin Shot hit a slice back. What would happen if the opponent chipped and charged to his forehand? Also, on the backhand, what would happen if the opponent only hit short chips? It seems hard to produce enough topspin off the backhand to get the ball up and down.
     
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    It was only a few points but I didn't see any of your offense. The high deep balls pushed the guy back but when you got a short ball you didn't do anything with it. All points were from the other guy missing, usually when trying to get aggressive.
     
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  39. tlm

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    Exactly which nothing wrong with the way he plays but any 5.0 player that I have watched would have hit a winner or great approach shot and end the point.
     
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    Really hard to determine NTRP from a hitting video... There was a poster here (Drakulie) who posted a vid of a professional player and asked this forum to guess his rating. As you might have guessed, there were many on here who rated a 7.0 player a 3.5-4.0 player.
     
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  41. Spin Doctor

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    Um, what? Maybe I watched the wrong video...
     
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    Well, seems like I started an NTRP rating war. My apologies Topspin, I should have known better... Should have let you answer that question
     
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    Akira is amazing. This goes to show that NTRP is a bunch of crock and that tournament results are the best way to determine skill level. Akira has ITF points so he is really freaking good.
     
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    *sigh*

    here we go again...

    The OP was brave enough to post a video of himself asking for advice on his game - rating him isn't particularly useful or nice.
     
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    I second this, 5.5's ball striking and movement skills are at a different level, and much superior in this kind stationary rallies.
     
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    You're right... I feel really bad for falling into that trap, I really do. I've been around here long enough to know that would happen.

    Again, I apologize
     
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  48. Spin Doctor

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    Or how about this guy who said he was 4.5 and people around here were arguing he wasn't?? The calibre in this video is higher than OP's. (I think this video is pretty representative of 4.5 BTW):

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478951


    This is true. Seems to happen with every video here. But when people chime in with ratings that are way off base, shouldn't we correct them?
     
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  49. zen

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    Don't be, bro. We all know we are all internet warriors!
    And sorry to see This becomes just another jollyroger case.
     
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    Let's just call Topspin a rising 3.0 GOAT and be done with it
     
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