Me hitting with a ball machine

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  1. Tmano

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    A friend of mine landed me a ball machine for a while plus I just got a new racquet (traded with Airrmaxx)Babolat PSGT Tour so I decided to make a video while hitting but unfortunately after the fist set of balls the camera ran out of charge...
    Well the strings on the racquet are pretty old that's what I was told and maybe the prospective of the camera does not show clearly the shots but it was fun.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAcE7IAR4MQ

    Fell free to criticize I'm open to suggestion.:)
     
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  2. Jonny S&V

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    I feel like you're too open on the forehand, so you end up arming the ball. Maybe try getting your body turned a bit more so you can use your core as well as your arm.
     
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  3. USERNAME

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    Fairly solid technique from what I can see from behind. One thing though, your waiting on your take back on both sides which may be causing you to hit a little late (need a side view to be sure of that). Either way you need to turn earlier just so your not rushed against an actual player, you sprayed against a ball machine firing mid paced balls to the same spot.
     
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  4. Migelowsky

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    Hi, the good thing first: you are always moving, I got tired just
    from watching you bounce.
    You forehand seems inconsistent , sometimes you hit a very
    good one, and then the next goes flying. I´m not sure what´s
    wrong but I noticed that sometimes you hit you forehand too close
    to your body and the follow through doesn´t extend a lot. The one on 3:48 looks very good,also in 4:22.
    The framing is just not looking at the ball and lack of concentration.
    When hitting down the line most of your shots go wide, maybe you
    are hitting to late.
    I think I had more or less the same problem as you, I´ve been taking
    lessons and my teacher makes me exagerate the contact more in front, and
    I´m moving a bit farther the contact to the right, my arm is now almost extended at contact.
    Good luck =)
     
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  5. mrtrinh

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    i like your backhand. What NTRP rating are you?
     
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  6. ATP100

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    Looks good, keep practicing, also, increase feed rate just a little.
     
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    Personally I think that this is the problem. You bounce around a lot but most of the time your footwork is actually pretty lazy. As a result you don't really get any sort of pace generated out of your core, and you're having to whip the racquet head round with your arm too much. That leads to inconsistency in a big way.

    I know the tendency these days is towards a more open stance, but you still need to get your left foot forward a bit and that weight transfer happening early. Watch the video again. You'll notice that the shots that you do this on tend to be some of your best ones - low, hard, and well controlled - with a lot less sprayed balls than usual.

    You have good technique. Getting your footwork right is about letting that technique do the work for you, rather than having to constantly whip that forehand around really late and fast in order to impart any sort of velocity onto the ball.

    EDIT: Ironically you seem to have the reverse problem on your backhand. You have great positioning and weight transfer, but sometimes too much - when you hit a bad one it's almost always because your body hasn't stayed still enough through the stroke. The giveaway is if you watch your follow through - take a look at where your back foot finishes on the ones you miss, compared to a good one.

    Overall, nice strokemaking though. Problems are easily fixable. Half hour lesson with a coach and you'll see the difference in your play.
     
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  8. Tmano

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    Thanks guys for the suggestions!

    I try to answer quickly to some of your points. I started playing about 2 years ago and I'm a 4.0 but as many of you pointed out I have some issues that need to be fixed and it's because I never taken any lesson before......but I will now

    Cesar
    About the stance and wip of the racquet; I'm nor forcing to hit with an open stance because of today's style it just come's naturally but I agree that I should move my weigth forward.
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    Feed rate; actually I kinda was worming up. That was the first set of balls but the camera ran out of battery...I upload more videos later from different angles. Usually the feed rate is about 4/5 sec.

    Migelowsky
    You are right once on a while I hit the ball late or too close; in fact I have some trouble to direct always the forehand down the line or to create an angle.

    Username
    I miss fired maybe 4/6 time on 100 balls but your observations are rigth, I'm kind late and I rush the shot sometime.

    Thanks again guys I really appreciate your imputs...I will upload more videos later tomorrow
     
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  9. mightyrick

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    On the plus side, you seem to be getting a semblance of directional control. You also look to have pretty decent pace.

    Now, stuff to work on. I don't like all the bouncing around. Your body never seems to be stable and calm. Rather than doing all of that bouncing, why not just stand there as if you are going to receive serve? Then, mini-split step, set, turn, take the stroke.

    I also saw that you were letting the ball jam you up sometimes and not giving the ball enough space. I think that is a footwork problem. In those situations, you ended up rushing the unit turn, didn't fully complete it.. and hit a very open forehand... usually long. The last thing I saw is related to all of the bouncing and instability. Your head is never still and often times you aren't watching the ball all the way to contact.

    I think if you just slowed it down, stopped the bouncing/jitteriness, and focused on smooth, stable movement... you would see a huge difference. Your stroke looks like it would just fall right into line.
     
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  10. Tmano

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    Nobody else??????????? Well do I sucks that much?:)
     
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    Just from watching your forehand, looks like you use a bit too much of your arm, but that's about it. I'm curious though, how good are you at hitting flat and going for winners?
     
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    yea he is using his forearm a lot.

    It also usually never hurts to bend more your knees more
     
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  13. SStrikerR

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    Overall though, you're pretty good. If you ironed out the small kinks you'd be even more consistent.

    Oh yeah, maybe slice some in your next video, if you make one.
     
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  14. callmethedoctor

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    Forehand- it will help to really stick out that left hip forward just before contact. Helps with power, timing, conserving energy.

    Backhand- don't get me wrong, you're a great tennis player, but a lot of people get offended when I tell them to LOOK AT THE FREAKING BALL AS YOU HIT IT. You're head's gotta follow that thing. It's a lot more important than people seem to think it is.
     
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  15. Tmano

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    Cesar,
    Today I have more time to read all the comments and I looked at the video while hitting with the backhand but it could not figure out what was wrong; could you explain me more clearly what I do wrong with my left foot and how to solve it.

    thanks
     
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  16. Tmano

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    Thanks but I'm not a great player at all, just average but I know I could do a much much better than that. My technique is what it is, lacking in some simple but fundamental basic structure because I never took lesson. Never knew I had to look at the ball after you hit it.
    Also when you say "stick out the the left hip before contact" what do you exactly mean?

    thanks

    Need a good instructor!!!
     
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  17. Migelowsky

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    It's worth spending $ on a few lessons with a pro,
    you have very good foundations but sometimes we
    don't see what we do wrong.
    They won't change your technique ,when I'm hitting
    with my teacher he just makes me concentrate on
    every ball and ironing what's wrong ( contact in front,
    run, run!, accelerate the racquet, watch the ball, good one!..),
    those details make a big difference.
    We know we have to do all this things, but it's good
    having someone yelling to us that for on hour on every
    shot.
     
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  18. mightyrick

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    Actually, it is look at the point of contact -- AND KEEP LOOKING AT IT -- after contact.

    If you look up before or at contact, the ball will also probably "look up" (go long). If you are looking at the other side of the court as you make contact, your racquet will follow that path and probably result in you shanking the ball.

    The point is to keep your head down. After screwing up my stroke a lot, I think head stability is probably among the most important of things. I never thought about it before, the the same is true for baseball and golf. Head down, focus on contact, contact is made, head stays still and continues to focus on the contact point.
     
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  19. USERNAME

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    Just want to clarify Im not talking about missing completely, your hitting ok shots throughout. When I rally at a lower pace, get fed, or hit off a ball machine I look to hit my spot(s) every shot. That means depth and angle stay pretty much the same on all shots, being able to do that means you have solid mechanics.
     
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  20. gregor.b

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    With your forehand,you need to get your left arm out across your body so you are looking over your shoulder at the ball.Point to the side of the court.That will square up your shoulders and help with your timing by giving you the same reference point EVERY time.On your backhand,your body weight seems to be moving in all different directions relative to the ball.It is coming from the same direction every time yet sometimes you are going out through it sometimes falling off it and sometimes getting jammed.Your footwork needs to work so that it allows you to move up to the ball not across,not away.Give yourself more room and you will create more pace as you go out to the ball.
     
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  21. West Coast Ace

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    OP, I think your strokes are pretty good. I do agree with those who say more trunk turn on the FH would help.

    How often do you play/practice? Before I'd recommend you go to a pro, you might just want to step up your practice. I will say the 'warming up' excuse for hitting so many FH's long is suspect - when warming up (watch the pros on the practice courts if you get to an event) you should be hitting the ball with plenty of control - think 3 to 6 ft inside the baseline. After 10 minutes start trying to get more depth.
     
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  22. Ben Hadd

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    Your shots look pretty good. I don't think you need to go to a pro, just practice technique. You got tons of tips already I don't need to repeat, and it's hard to break old habits, but well worth it.
     
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  23. maleyoyo

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    The Good: Your strokes are pretty good for a 4.0. That should make you competitive with your peers.
    The Bad: You muscle/arm the balls on both wings with little support from the rest of your body, but it's still okay because your are a strong guy.

    The Ugly: You may never have proper training before, so your strokes lack fundamentals, and it's going to take a lot of work to re-tool your strokes from the ground up.

    It depends on what your goals are I guess. I don't believe in quick fixes.
    Disclaimer: I'm a certifiable 3.0!
     
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  24. dozu

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    can someone give this kiddo some tip on the 2hbh... it just looks wrong to me... but I can't put a finger on it as I can't hit the shot.

    FH, actually not that bad.
     
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  25. Tmano

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    Well what can I say; it's obvious that my technique is not fully developed actually sometimes not developed at all and it would probably be hard to fix it on your own because it would take me way too long plus I may fix it not in the proper way. I guess a pro is the only way to go beside that keep practicing as much as I can.......Honestly I would like to make it to at least a very solid 4.5 maybe 5.
    Tomorrow or later on this week I will upload a video trying to put in practice your suggestions guys( by the way all great) and see how it goes.
     
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  26. Tmano

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    I haven't played much lately, just some practice. I was warming up but I always try to hit with enough pace and precision even if it's a "warm up".......I don't really look to keep the ball on the court when I hit with the machine yet I almost go for winners every time.........maybe I'm doing it wrong and I should work on consistency?????
     
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  27. maleyoyo

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    Maybe he doesn't get set properly. Maybe he chases the ball with his front foot, and swings the ball with most of his weight on his front foot using only his upper body, no weight transfering.
     
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    First impression.
    It looks like he is only swinging the human racket. Passive racket. No extension through the ball.
     
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    First thing first, your goal is vague. Is it 4.5 or 5? Huge difference. What is a solid 4.5 in your mind?
    I'd add a couple of things to that goal: How much money and time are you willing to spend to get there? You take that to an appropriate Pro to come up with a plan.
    And then whatever time frame that you have in mind to achieve your goal, at least double it for a more realistic reality.
    Ignore this post if you are just looking for some internet fun.
     
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  30. West Coast Ace

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    Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with ripping some balls - if you do move up you'll need the FH weapon. But consistency - being able to reliable hit the ball in deep and with some pace - will win you a lot of matches - and set up you up to get a short ball to put away.
     
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  31. Tmano

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    nabrug, what do you mean by no extension through the ball? should I fallow through the direction of the ball?

    thanks
     
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  32. Tmano

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    4.5 and 5 are actual numbers that in tennis define your ability, level, skills etc, so I would like to get as good as I can without breaking the bank. About the time, I have time after work( I get off pretty early :)) and for frame time my goal would be maybe a year or less......I'm getting old so better get there faster:)

    thanks
     
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    what kind of shoes do you wear? that's the only question it comes to my mind about this video....
     
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    Yes. But that is easier said than done. Most people need a good teacher to learn this.
     
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  35. Tmano

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    blackfrido

    The shoes are Fila R4...pretty comfortable and stable.
     
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    That’s just it. To you 4.5 or 5 is just a number with no real understanding of how people at those levels play or how they got there. I assume.
    The 4 factors that determine how good a player you can be (in order of importance):
    1. Mental (psychological component)
    2. Physical (physiology and footwork components)
    3. Tactical component
    4. Technical component (strokes)
    Your FH and BH are just 2/100th of the whole package as a tennis player, and the technical aspect of the game is on the bottom of the list.
    If you can become a solid 4.5 in 2 years from where you are, it’s quite an accomplishment.
    Best of luck.
     
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  37. Tmano

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    maleyoyo,
    don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't care about all this aspects and I know are all really imporrtant but it also true that I'm 37 and I honestly I will never play so competitively so I feel like I can care a bit less. If I had started playing tennis 10 years ago would have been a different.
     
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  38. callmethedoctor

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    Like, um, lean into the shot. If you throw body weight forwards, it adds to power without subtracting from consistency.
    And about the looking at the ball, I'm no professional but it's just one of those things that I feel should be a part of every stroke. :) Good luck!
     
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  39. airrmaxx

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    Did you keep the hurricane feel on the racquet?
     
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    Er...and no one notices the killer calves?
     
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    You don't seem to look at the ball coming off your racquet. Might add some consistency if you do. Try starting your forehand with weight transfer and more hip rotation. That should bring your arm around more naturally and raise accuracy and power. Good footwork. The deep forehand where you are running back is a tough one. Flatten out your shot to get the ball deeper, or try and get your last step towards the net to get your normal stroke, otherwise you will hit a lot long. You spin your racquet between each shot. No big deal. Overall, good stokes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMNtq393tvo
    Check this out on hip rotation.
     
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  42. Tmano

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    Hey airrmaxx.......yup for right now...I know you told me it's pretty old but the guy who restrings my racquet disapeared. :)
     
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  43. Tmano

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    Yeah I probably never ever looked at the ball coming off my racquet before. Thanks for the link...very helpful
     
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    Some more hitting

    Ok, today for some reason was pretty hard to dial in especially with the back hands. I tried to put in practice some suggestions, maybe to many because sometime I jammed but I guess I'm here to learn and open to comments.
    The first video is a mixed shots and the second since I was having hard time with the backhands it's all about back hands.:)

    Don't fall asleep!!!

    http://youtu.be/iRpadCZ-wsY

    http://youtu.be/uh7SKn8CW4M
     
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