Mercedes $$$ Tournament in Phoenix

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  1. 10isDad

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    ^^^First night of tournament, the #51 USTA Boys 18s player and future Iowa Hawkeye, Dominic Patrick played Michigan's 2010 #2 Jason Jung.

    When the match started, the junior looked (and played) scared in front of a fairly large crowd, which included several of his peers. Lost 6-1 and down 2 breaks (0-3). People then left courtside to watch another match. The junior relaxed and the ex-collegiate player got tight. Patrick tied it up at 5-all. Serving at 5-all, he dumps a couple easy forehands in the net and hits a couple of double-faults.

    Saw both sides of the coin mentioned by GraniteChief. Outcome: Jung wins 6-1, 7-5.
     
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    Sounds like fun match. Jung beat me in the finals of an open tournament several years ago. The only reason i lost was from all the pressure of playing a jr, which basically means i got outplayed. Interesting how that works.
     
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    Today, young Mr. Baughman took on a local teaching pro, who is a 35 year old who rarely plays competitive matches outside of some doubles.

    Deiton played in front of a largely antagonistic crowd, made even more so because he yelled "C'mon!" pretty much on every point he won, starting w/ the very first point of the match.

    I expected an entertaining match due to a stark contrast in styles. Deiton generally at or behind the baseline hitting huge groundstrokes (especially for his age) and Mackay rushing the net at the first opportunity (many times at the wrong opportunity). Baughman wins 6-4, 6-2. The only time he really struggled was when he was rushed (well struck deep returns or volleys). He served well, passed well and generally played well.

    Tomorrow he should have a fairly simple round of 16 match against another 15 year old. Deiton, with his size, looks 18. The opponent looks maybe 13, so the proverbial David & Goliath.

    The quarterfinal match will be the interesting matchup: Deiton against either former Wolverine Jason Jung or Andrei Pavel.
     
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    Thanks for the updates, pictures and insight. I'm already looking forward to your updates tomorrow.
     
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    By the way "largely antagonistic" meaning several local audience members giving shouts of approval whenever Mackay won points. Both got tiresome.
     
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    Okay come on now. You of all people can not criticize where people went to school with your horrific grammar.

    Or shall I say: okay c''mon now . You of all people, can'nt critize we're people went two sckool with ur,, , horrific grammer.
     
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    Fine for DB to play opens, being top junior in usta is irrelevant for future success as pro.
     
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    Has nothing to do with grammer but he was asked a question and answered it just the way he was asked not to answer it , it is called following direction,, its took a couple of asking's to get the definition of the word 'competition' out of another poster.
     
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    No common sence or logic allowed here " These are the rules" don't break them
     
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    10isdad Great pics
     
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    The directions were simple 'newpaper clippings ect.' That means it's public allready, that means they are serious, if you can't name them my point is proven.....no need to say anything else
     
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    Not true at all, in fact, completely false. Almost every top 100 pro has achieved one or more of the following:

    1. Been ranked # 1 in the 18s in their country at some point

    and/or 2. won an Orange Bowl

    and/or 3. won a Jr. Slam

    and/or 4. been ranked top 5 ITF at some point.

    So clearly juniors is more important than men's opens. If USTA is not your bag, you better be rocking the ITFs. There is simply no evidence of any top 100 pro playing in men's opens as a staple of their junior competition in any way, shape, or form.
     
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    35 year old?
    Versus a 16 year old at the OB who could run down every ball?

    I understand the weather thing....

    But, as soon as you finish in Florida, you can take a break for a day and then head to Arizona to get ready for the Winter Nationals.


    And if you are on the pro tour, what are you going to do, not travel to different tournaments as you want to just adjust to the weather?
     
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    This is why it does not get real until a boy competes vs the very best 18s and ITFs in the world. Size and amount of court time can cause some boys to have very nice results early on.

    So until we see him actually take on the top 16-19 year olds on the planet, we have no idea of his true ability....nor does he. Shielding him from that is not helpful in my opinion. Finding your weaknesses so that they can be worked on at that age, vs the very best players your age, is critical to long term development.
     
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    The lad is about to take on many of the best under 18's in the country at Winters in just over a week.

    I think a warm up tourney in similar conditions is a great idea.
     
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    Absolutely!
     
  18. TennisCoachFLA

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    See, we always hear things like this but lets get on the same page. The top 10 USTA 18s are the best. Once you get outside the top 10, its very fluid.

    For the record, how many of these boys will he possibly face? And I am being serious as I have no clue. When you say best do you mean #1-10 or #50....huge difference.

    1 Giron, Marcos
    2 Halebian, Alexios
    3 Clark, Brett
    4 Egger, Emmett A.
    5 Tsodikov, Anthony
    6 Watson, Gordon R.
    7 Krueger, Mitchell K.
    8 Styslinger, Mac
    9 Yee, Kristofer
    10 Redlicki, Michael
     
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    I'm sure you are capable of looking up the competitors list. I'd guess, being a national championship and all, that there would at least a couple high ranking boys.
     
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    Disagree. For a kid as developed as DB, playing opens is far better choice of competition. Imho he should be going further away from home by traveling Europe playing money events or ETA.

    Kid starts traveling at 15 and by 18 he learned to organise and look after himself in everything needed to be a pro.

    I'm firmly convinced the usta or ta programs are unlikely to develop a champion. Sure plenty of mediocre players but no champions.

    Once kid hits 15 years he shouldn't be playing juniors on regular basis and by 17 there national ranking from opens should get them into national 18's championship.

    1. I practised with top 16's and #2 in 18's national oz, highest rankings 800, 600 ITF. So no guarantee of success.

    2. Here's jr contract and some free gear. A footnote in history.

    3. Being a jr slam champion is curse. To many numerous failures to count.

    4. Gets a player college scholarship like Yuki Bhambri. Welcome to journeyman status top 200-300 max.

    One doesn't play in usta or oz systems if you want to be a successful pro. You go overseas and live what it is like being a pro.
     
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    I think it would be more interesting if he took on the best 16's in the country,
    and won it.
     
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    Im generally on your side as far as this debate is concerned, but I might have the exception to that rule.

    Dimitry Tursunov??? I first heard of him when he was having a lot of success playing Opens up in NorCal at about 15-16, then he went pro. Not sure about his jr record.
     
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    Yes, you are right, TCF has this hang up about what he thinks is the path to top of the ATP.
    Problem is that his path has not produced any "AMERICAN" top ATP player.
    If DB wants to be a pro, then I feel that his path is the right one.

    TCF's path is the path to mediocrity, go for it DB!
     
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    I think we do not totally disagree. I said if USTA is not your thing, go ITF. Play the top international boys.

    You say Euro money events or ETA. Lot different than mens opens in the states.

    So I think we are advising similar paths.
     
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    Does anyone know how his match with Jung went today? Looks like Pavel retired against Jung early in the second set after dropping the first.
     
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    Actually that poster and I do not disagree. I have said many times USTA is not so great. But if you are going to play them, you have to battle the top boys.

    I suggested if USTA is not your bag, go top ITFs. The other poster suggested ETA. Its all good....the best competition you can get, either internationally or nationally....whatever you thing is.

    Everything we suggested is playing tournament tough kids, actively training....top USTA, ITF, ETA. Different path than men's opens where you could play middle aged guys who hit once a week or 15 year old 3 stars.
     
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    TonLars through to the QF!

    Could face Wettengel (3), ooh.....

    Big test for Tony that's for sure. Good luck man!
     
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    hmmm, maybe your should do some research on the mens opens this time of year. Lots of college and ATP players play them during the off season. Recently in my area, Sekou, Rylar Deheart, and Pierre-Ludovic Duclos , played in a mens $$ tourney. Yeah maybe you get a few club players but you also get some "players" too. The fact is, the kids in Europe that are training to become pro players play their "version" of adult opens. The coaches use them as a training tool to help the player feel "pro".
     
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    Decent match but Jung was just a bit more consistent. Final score 3 & 2. My opinion, but Deiton seemed to want to pull the trigger a bit early. Honestly, his shots (pace, depth) are every bit as big as anybody in the tournament, including all the pros. Needs a bit more experience and patience. For his age, however, his shots are scary.

    The best match of the day was 35 year old former ATP pro Jeff Williams vs current pro Nick Monroe. Monroe ended up winning 4-6, 6-1, 7-5. Jeff started training about 3 weeks ago, playing sets w/ my son and a former UA player. It was a pretty impressive performance by both players. Good stuff. Pics to come.
     
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    I watched a fair amount of the match. Tony played well but Wettengel prevailed. Not long after, Tony and Deiton played and lost an entertaining doubles match to Monroe/Borvanov. Not sure the final score, as I was hopping between 3 different doubles matches.
     
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    I am well aware of all that. Those players have achieved certain goals first in juniors. The fact is 95 out of the top 100 pros had the junior achievements that I listed.

    Supplementing those junior achievements with men's opens is different than skipping them and just doing men's opens. The first one many top 100 pros did as juniors, the second, none of them did as juniors.
     
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    Show me where I said skip jr tourneys! I played them, my brother and sister still play them.
     
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    Played already? Website slow to update. Shame Tony lost, was it close?
     
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    I did not say you said to skip them. I am referring to a specific kid on this thread who did choose to skip them and play men's opens instead.
     
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    oh ok, thats cool
     
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    Sorry, but I'm not sure of the score. I was rotating among courts taking pics.
     
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    Great photos 10isdad!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    What is this, 1up/1back on returns? I haven't seen this since the early 90s, LOL! Proud of Tony and the kid who gets massages from Number1Coach!
     
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    I just want to say what a pleasure it has been meeting, hitting and playing with Deiton and hanging with his family. Theres alot that I could say, alot that I think, but Im feeling pretty down right now about my loss and my game so I am going to try to keep it short and leave out alot.

    This is a special kid. He has maturity well beyond his years, in so many ways. A great sport, down to earth, a great competitor, nobody works harder than him, very disciplined and thick skin, and he is intelligent. He looks like he is 18 or 19 with his size but is only 15, and if he bulks up a little it will be scary. He already hits big serves and strokes for about anyone, and has sound modern technique overall, and all the shots. All he needs is refinement and experience because he has a ton of potential.

    His dad is extremely energetic and motivated, a very nice guy. He is a character and will tell you limitless interesting stories about their story. You can tell Deiton has the drive though too. They tell you how it is in a brash way, but not arrogant at all. They simply have a dream and are pursuing it to the fullest. And as Brad says, there is no way you can reach that dream unless you believe it and go after it, all out 100%. Both he and Deiton's mom have done a fantastic job of raising his character and tennis so far.

    I admit that one can be skeptical at first about a family setting their sights on going pro at that age, even when he hasnt won this or that, or beaten such and such, and not having an interest in going the college tennis scholarship route. But this kid just has so much upside, and theyre going after it so hard, and when you only live once it should be worth it for some to go after the dream. He already does indeed have an impressive resume though, but this is a player with again a ton of upside. He can always go back to college or stay with tennis coaching if it doesnt pan out, but theres no reason, for him at least, to keep his nose in front of a book for 4 years when thats not what he is going after ( a scholarship with tennis as a means to an end of a different career path). Its so tough to make it, but if anyone has a chance I would say he has it, so why not go for it. Nobody can say for sure what he will be like in 2-3 years with him getting stronger, more experienced, quicker and better.

    The depth of this tournament was extremely high. It is without a doubt great experience for any young player to enter a mens open event like this where several touring pros, some even in the top 300, along with top current and former college players are playing. I would agree its best to supplement along with the highest junior tournaments, but no reason not to play up in 18's and prize money opens. Pete Sampras, and many other great pros, played up with long term aspirations.

    It was a great experience to meet this family. While I envy all the opportunities and training he has that I never came close to which would have made me a much better player, I wish him all the best and will be pulling for him to make it big. I think he has a shot to do just that.
     
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    Great post Tony! CLASS=TONY LARSON!!!!!!!
     

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