[Merged]Stick a fork in Roger! Done and should retire

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  1. Nadal_Freak

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    Fed will never win another slam so why keep playing? Retire now. ;)
     
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    You sure Henin did the right thing? Except for the Williams sisters the rest of the Top WTA are really lousy... Safina had her streak but it ended, she's basically falling apart. I think Henin would be easily Top 3 or at least Top 5 if she returned.
     
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  3. Blinkism

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    He's still in his 20's, it's kind of ridiculous to retire then. If not for the fact you are losing, it's the fact that you're still young and love the game. Who'd want to leave?

    As long as he's having fun and getting paid for it, it's a great job. Doesn't look like he's having much fun, lately, though.
     
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    I think the US Open and Wimbledon can be won by Federer IF Nadal and Murray crash out earlier... Roger can play really good just not with everyone... he chokes up when he's playing Rafa. Rafa doesn't have to be in tip top shape to beat him because of that. However Nalby showed that other players can pose a threat... it comes down to one thing though... can Nadal survive through a flawless game of his opponent and when the enemy is tired just reverse the situation... he did it with Nalbandian which I think is worth high praises.
     
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    Where Nadal fails Murray will pick up. This year is the year of Nadal and Murray.
     
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  6. CocaCola

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    Yes, but now people remember her as one of the best ever...and look what Hingis did with her comeback.
     
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  7. saram

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    I agree....
     
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    roger just texted me. he said that he's really up in the air about what he should do career-wise. he has talked to mirka about his future. he has chatted with his mum and dad. he has consulted several tarot card readers, his favorite astrologer, a psychic "to the stars", and a man who lives on his block that reads tea leaves.

    but he has assured me that he will make no major life-altering decisions (such as when he should retire) until his pals at ttw put up a poll and tell him what to do. so keep up the good work.
     
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    Im a Nadal fan... and would get bored when Federer was dominating.... but I assure all of you that Federer will win at least one more GS; whats wrong with everyone??? All of a sudden loosing is not allowed for Federer? Everyone got spoiled with his 04 season, I think......... the competition is tougher now, but by no means is he over.
    He's got 5 more years of great tennis, just dont expect him to clean every season like before, thank goodness for such a tough top 5 group these days.
     
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    Last summer, to a journalist who asked him what he thought about retiring on top, Federer answered "you're killing me with your question", pretty much his answer to everything these days...
     
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  11. federerdomination

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    Yet he's been in the past 3 GS finals??
     
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  12. 380pistol

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    No he shouldn't, and can we stop with these questions??
     
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  13. 380pistol

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    Uhm.... that would be the last 4.
     
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  14. federerdomination

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    oh yeah sorry - last 4

    I can't believe I forgot about AO 09 hehe
     
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  15. Automatix

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    You have a point there... can't really argue with that.
     
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  16. veroniquem

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    Federer will find it more and more difficult to beat the top players but he will be able to beat average players for a long time to come, the question is how long will he maintain the motivation if he keeps his ability to go deep in important tournaments without being able to win them in the end?
    Let's not forget Federer hasn't won a master shield since 2007. If the same thing happened with slams, he could get discouraged...
     
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    I hope you aint being serious ! Just because he lost to Murray today doesnt mean all of a sudden he is thinking of retiring. For a fact ,I think Federer like the challenge of Nadal and Murray , it will make him more motivated . I think he wanted more grand slams now as they prob worth more to him now with the other two playing so well.

    NB : I really hope that Federer wont be thinking of retiring anytime soon, as he done so much for tennis and added an extra dimention to the game ! He is so good and classy to watch ......''class is permanent ; form is temporary''
     
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  18. OliverSimon

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    NO federer shouldn't retire now! what are you talking about HE lost one match thats it. In the sport of tennis everyone has high points and low points. its not like hes ranked 20 hes #2 IN THE WORLD!
     
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  19. P_Agony

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    Let's see, maybe because he enjoys the game? And do you really believe he won't win another slam? I mean, reaching all those finals, he's bound to win some of those times.
     
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  20. veroniquem

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    He LIKES the challenge of Nadal and Murray? Have you seen his reactions after the AO? Have you seen his attitude during the Murray match yesterday? It's plain as daylight that he hates it, it's also very clear that he's NOT rising to the occasion. Federer enjoys easy domination nowadays, he doesn't like being challenged at all as he can't handle the pressure of that apparently. (At least not anymore).
     
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    So what the hell do you expect him to do after losing a close final?? dance the jig?? Very easy to sit on your as* in front of a computer & say he is not rising to the occasion and not trying hard!
     
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  22. swedechris

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    probably. if fed doesnt get one or 2 slams under his belt this year ,i dont think it will be easier next ....
    so all in all, looks tough. best shot is at Wimby for him in my book
     
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  23. GameSampras

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    Whats with all this "Federer retire" talk.

    How many uncharacteristics losses does he usually get? He still beats 98-99 percent of the tour on a consistent basis. He is making slam final after slam final, even though he may not be at his respective best as he was 3-4 years ago. But why retire when you are still so much better than everyone else, consistently making slam finals etc?

    Only 2 players at this point are at the level to beat Fed. But Murray has only gotten the best of Fed on hards.

    When Fed starts consistently losing in the 1st week of slams, then the "retirement talk" should begin. But until then.. I dont see why
     
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  24. saram

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    I guess it has to do with when any top player loses a match--the kids come in spouting off about his/her retirement. I'm in agreement with you on his career and potential...
     
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  25. JeMar

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    With you 100%
     
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  26. vtmike

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    Yeah a lot of 17 year old's & NF (who is mentally 10 yrs old) come out with ridiculous threads because in their heart they know he is one of the few who can threaten Nadal's dominance right now...here are some of the ridiculous threads that have come up since he lost yesterday,


    Should Federer retire now just like Henin did?

    Federer needs to learn a lesson form Sampras & the Williams'

    Murrays game has too many dimensions.

    When will Federer win his first title of the year?

    Federer and the structural problems of the 1H backhand

    Who thinks Federer will not win another slam?

    26 ERRORS of BACKAHND in 3 SETS??? WTF IS UP??????

    Roger Federer, what could have been?

    Can A Murray beat Federer at Wimbledon ? and make his own history by winning it all?

    Roger Federer will never be the same

    Stick a fork in Roger! he's done

     
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  27. veroniquem

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    If we were talking about non #1 players, your remark would be more than justified. Because Federer has won so much and made so much money and acquired so much fame, there is always a question about: how much fun will it be to stay on the tour while winning less? (Given the fact that money is not an issue at all). Personally, I believe Federer should hang on as long as he can make finals of important tournaments but I don't find the question completely absurd either.
     
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  28. federerdomination

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    Agreed. It is quite shocking to call the current #2 player in the world to retire. Esp considering he's made the past 4 slam finals. Something no one else on tour has done.
     
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    He can't retire the way Henin did, because she was the top player when she retired. He could still save some face by retiring now, but I doubt he has the sense to do it. Instead, he'll keep trying and crying, dropping out of top 10 by the end of this year, leaving top 100 next year, etc. A few years from now he'll probably be unranked playing qualies in futures and begging for wild-cards into challengers, getting blown out in every match, and giving weepy interviews afterwards. What will take for him to finally retire is a mystery to me.
     
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  30. imalil2gangsta4u

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    I think he needs to take a break and get his game together, but not retire.
     
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  31. muzza123

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    it's basically a case of expectation levels.

    we, the public, expect nothing less than 99.9% win/loss records from fed (as opposed to say 85%-90%, or whatever he is currently achieving).

    like fed said himself, he created a monster.

    and there are people out there who just love to see him lose, and regard the losses like its the end of the world for him.

    simply because fed didn't, and still doesn't, lose that often.
     
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  32. federerdomination

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    Do u want to bet on that? Out of top 100???

    When the last time he's lost to someone outside the top 20? It doesn't happen a lot obviously.

    And begging for WC's? WTF. Federer can get a WC into any tournament he wants easily (even if he was ranked 1000 right now)
     
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  33. wilsondude

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    aggasi retired when he was 36 i think? late 30s so fed has some time. he should stay in the game for like 3 or 4 more years, win 2 more slams, then quit. he just needs some inspiration. he can do it.
     
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    Well, people are making these comments because obviously they feel that Federer no longer belongs on the pro tour. His poor attitude and negative image have inflicted substantial damage on reputation of the sport, so people are obviously excited with the prospect of containing the damage. Let them speak their mind and listen to what they have to say.
     
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  35. GameSampras

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    I mean granted I would not lose any sleep over Fed retiring and not breaking Pete's record.. But still. :)
     
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  36. veroniquem

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    There are also those ridiculous Nadal bashing threads like "he's only #1 because of his racquet" (and he hasn't even lost to deserve those!)
    Nobody is objective, you no more than others!
     
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    Oh yeah sure and that really hurt coming from such an "objective" & "unbiased" poster like you :)
     
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  38. veroniquem

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    Isn't that what I said? NOBODY IS OBJECTIVE. Glad you agree with me :)
     
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  39. SoBad

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    It's a very quick downward spiral in the case of a player of his ilk. Once he is no longer seeded in tournaments, he will have more and more first-round losses, and there just won't be enough points to maintain a ranking. He will get some wildcards at first, but as he loses more and more first-round matches, those will become increasingly more difficult to come by. As losses mount, he will become increasingly fragile psychologically, and may turn to drugs and/or gambling in order to keep his mind off the tennis fiascos. The increasingly frequent conflicts with law enforcement will trigger cancellation clauses in his sponsorship contracts, and he would be in the negative territory financially as he departs the top 100 or so ranking. I don't have a crystal ball, I'm just saying that's the kind of thing that could transpire down the road.
     
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  40. vtmike

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    You really need to go see a psychologist! your hate for Fed will probably make you go bananas and if Fed wins another slam, you just might turn into a psycho killer or commit suicide!

    Oh and keep dreaming buddy! :mrgreen:
     
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    I don't think Fed should retire, and most people who say it are just trolling, but there is some truth to it.

    Fed was not just the #1. he was untouchable. remember the year we went something like 90-4...that is INSANE.

    obviously he can't keep a level like that but it's sort of depressing to watch him now, a shadow of his former self. though, like OP and others say, a "shadow" of 04-07 Roger still crushes most of the competition. I don't want him to retire but the next few seasons will severely diminish the aura that once was Roger.
     
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    I actually do agree with you on that one...
     
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    On the contrary, I wish him all the best, which is why I would like to see him retire now, before stepping onto a potentially very slippery slope (see my second post in this thread). I would be the first to say "congratulations" if he announced retirement.
     
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    For the trolls, of the trolls and by the trolls.
    Great thread...voww.....love the power of reason.
    Great thread O.P. Vowwwwwww
     
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    Djokovic should retire after the beatdown handed to him by Roddick
     
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    Roger is not a punk like Justine.
     
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    Drugs? Please say ur being sarcastic....

    And how is he not going to be seeded? Did you know that even WC's can get seeds? I don't think Nadal (or any top 20 player for that matter) would be happy seeing a 1st round encounter with Fed
     
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  48. veroniquem

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    There is a huge margin between dancing the gig and sobbing uncontrollably. Anyway his attitude (during the matches) when confronted with Murray and Nadal says to me loud and clear that he's not relishing being in that situation. Meaning it doesn't trigger a burst of fighting spirit in him but more a sullen sulking resignated response. That tells me he's not enjoying it.
     
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    Sulking to me shows that he still cares a lot when he loses even after doing so much! It maybe a positive sign and not negative like you make it out to be...If he didn't care about his loses and was ok with being beaten in finals, then there is a clear motivation problem...but I think he is still motivated
     
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  50. Lotto

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    What are you on? lol He has to get to 15 first. Which I think he will by the end of NEXT year. MAYBE this year. Doubt it though. I think he has two Wimbledons and One US and One Aussie left in him. Maybe the Aussie's a bit much but he could prove us wrong tbh. DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT RETIRE THOUGH. Will ya farewell!
     

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