[Merged]Stick a fork in Roger! Done and should retire

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  1. veroniquem

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    I'm gonna use Fed's favorite expression: your sense of humor is killing me! (But in a good way :))
     
  2. SoBad

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    I don't have a crystal ball, I am not saying this is necessarily what is going to happen, but it is likely something along those lines. And by the time he is going around begging for WC's, nobody would mind taking him out, especially considering that most players won't even know who he is, by that time. I'm just saying, it could be something like that down the road...
     
  3. vtmike

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    So Djokovic should also retire considering he done squat this year and is on a slippery slope
     
  4. federerdomination

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    WHAT? That's like the current generation of pros not knowing who Sampras is.

    And I'm sure all tournaments will be begging him to come - not the other way around

    Fed brings in a lot of revenue cause many fans like him.
     
  5. veroniquem

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    It is not a positive sign DURING THE MATCH. Losing a 3rd set 0-6 (RG) and 1-6 (IW) and a 5th set 2-6 (AO) cannot be interpreted as a good sign no matter how you spin it... One occurence of it could be an accident, the repetition of it points to a deeper issue.
     
  6. SoBad

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    I am not the hugest Djokovic fan, but I still recognise that unlike federer he is a great tennis player, great personality, looks, fashion sense, sense of humour, attitude, and is someone who inspires people to play tennis. He is generally good for tennis regardless of his day-to-day accomplishments, so there is no reason for him to even consider retirement anywhere in the foreseeable future.
     
  7. vtmike

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    SoBad fits the description of a troll perfectly...here it is incase you don't know it,

    I would follow the advice in bold and stop feeding him...all he is trying to do is fish for angry responses and try to get on peoples nerves...I think he gets a kick out of doing that!
     
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  8. SoBad

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    Well you are missing the key point. If Federer had retired Sampras-style after winning a slam, perhaps some would still remember him for a few more years. But looking at some of the likely scenarios we have outlined earlier on in this thread, sponsors and greater tennis community would be embarassed by association with Federer by the time going gets rough.
     
  9. federerdomination

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    Wait so Federer is not a great tennis player?
     
  10. vtmike

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    He has always kept it in during his matches...hardly ever showed emotion even when he was dominating...So you're sulking during the match argument is baseless!
     
  11. federerdomination

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    Umm I don't think it's easy to forget a 13 time slam winner. It doesn't matter how he goes out. He will still be remembered as being one of (if not the best) tennis player ever.

    For example, people still remember Mcenrore who played a long time ago. He "only" had 8 GS (I believe?). how would people not remember Federer?
     
  12. SoBad

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    Yes, but McEnroe did not embarass himself after coming off his peak, the way Federer likely would under some of the scenarios we discussed earlier. Again, if he were to retire now, he would likely be remembered by some for some time.
     
  13. veroniquem

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    How would you describe his attitude during the last set of the Murray match yesterday or in the last set of AO or RG? Energetic? Fierce? Determined? Pumped up? Hopeful? I'm just curious because to me he looks like he's sulking and resigned.
     
  14. SoBad

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    To be honest, he doesn't even look like a tennis player. Many people feel that he would be a better fit in some bureacratic tax office of a government inland revenue service. It's not all about match wins and losses, there needs to be a certain aura in order to promote the game.
     
  15. vtmike

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    That's the thing you can never tell...you could not tell when he was dominating and you cannot tell now...he is very good at hiding or keeping his emotions to himself...I certainly cannot tell if he had given up based on his emotions because he doesn't show any just like Sampras...but if you have some sort of sixth sense that can read his mind then good for you
     
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    If Roger retired now, yes he will be remembered as a 13 slam winner, but also as a punk. When the going gets tough you don't pack up and leave, you fight through it.

    Some of the posters here calling for his retirement must have a really weak character.
     
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    I would follow the advice in bold and stop feeding him...all he is trying to do is fish for angry responses and try to get on peoples nerves...I think he gets a kick out of doing that!
     
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    Enough with the "enough talking of Fed retiring" threads.
     
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    Your obsessive behaviour must be embarrassing for legitimate Federer fans. Stop trolling my posts. Fed is gone, time for you to go into hiding.
     
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    This is like the second one compared to the 30 Fed should retired threads..

    Lol exactly...omg imagine if he loses in the first week of a slam. Watch what happens then. FED GETS BOUNCED IN 4TH ROUND HIS CAREER IS OVER HE IS AWFUL HE HAS NO TALENT THE 13 SLAMS WERE AGAINST A WEEK FIELD HE SHOULD RETIRE AND BE HAPPY HE PLAYED IN THE WORST ERA EVER...that is what will happen then. Seriously the guy is having issues beating the new generation the people who are supposed to take over him. Just like what happened to the Aussies with Connors + Borg, Connors + Borg with McEnroe, McEnroe with Lendl, Lendl with Sampras, Sampras with Safin + Hewitt. It is not like Fed is losing to the likes of Roddick, Hewitt, Safin and Nalbandian he is losing to guys who are 5-7 years younger than him. It only looks so bad because Nadal was a really early bloomer..If he finishes 5-8 against Murray I won't be like OMG he is awful you look at it reasonable. Fed is not the same player in 04-06 but should he retire? No. If that was the case Sampras would have retired in 98 or 99.. There go 3 of his slams..Lendl would have packed it in 88 losing 2 of his slams..Borg packed it in early and wasted so much potential. Fed is still capable of winning slams and capable of beating Murray and Nadal, not as much as he would like to but it is not like he has no chance in hell at winning a slam. Give the guy a break and let him just play tennis its so stupid. He at least keeps the level of tennis up. Right now the top 10 has 5 good consistent players as of late. (Nadal, Fed, Murray, Djokovic and suprisingly Roddick) Guys like Del Potro, Verdasco, Tsogna, Wawrinka, Simon, Queery and others are providing good challenges also. However why have Fed retire and get rid of one of the big threats in the field..lets keep it as interesting as possible.
     
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    The overvalued, overinflated # of Slams means
    nothing to me. He's a parasite; insulting to all my senses, and
    annoying to his opponents. I never get
    excited over a media tool and crying, spoiled brat. Who needs his scowling,
    ungraceful, frozen egomaniac face? Always begging for worship
    because he thinks everyone should play with injury and illness in the hot
    weather. I don't care about him beating Sampras. Neither of them is beautiful to me.

    Watch the weasel force his son or daughter to play tennis. He left his home and quit everything else to play tennis 15 years ago.

    I'd rather watch an immature Roddick improve his quickness, game and brain development.
    Nadal's ok, but I don't desire annoying 30-shot bashing and 15-second time delays.

    I don't need 10 more years of selfish commentators moaning and slobbering over Federer.
     
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    It's simply a preemptive strike.
     
  23. SoBad

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    That's a really good, well thought-out, eloquent comment. Did you write that or are you quoting?
     
  24. veroniquem

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    But his body language looked negative and he had a constant frown on his face. I think he shows more than what people say, you can tell when he doesn't believe in it. You can tell pretty much with every player actually, including the least expressive ones (from the way they walk, sunken shoulders, the level of energy, etc...)
     
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    He always had a frown on his face and so does Nadal during matches...Maybe its a sign of them trying to focus on the point...Try looking at some old Federer matches on youtube and you will see what I mean about him not showing any emotion with both his body language and facial expressions...Federer plays the game more like a poker or chess player...don't give anything away
     
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    I havent even bothered to read any of those threads cause you know its complete nonsense, I wouldn't say Fed needs to retire but he really needs to change his attitude, he seemed really over it at the end of the murray match, almost like he just quit when things werent going his way, the tennis season is very demanding maybe he's pulling a Pete and just focusing on Slams now
     
  27. luckyboy1300

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    the thing is, even things are going his way now he suddenly tanks deciders for no reason at all. he was just doing fine until murray slipped, then he began spraying balls left and right.
     
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    Did you just see that crosscourt backhand! Rafa is more powerful than Agassi off the ground now:
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    That is all true. Federer is still the second best player on the planet. He has been, along with Nadal, the most consistent in the big tournaments.

    But he has to beat Nadal. If he is to regain his lost luster, then he has to beat Nadal. And beating him at a non-major doesn't count. He has to beat Nadal in a grandslam final.

    Ideally, Federer would beat Nadal in the French Open final. That would pretty much silence all of his critics (even though it wouldn't be part of a calendar yr grandslam...something he should have accomplished but now never will), but that now seems an impossibility. In fact, I don't think Federer will ever make it back to the finals there, so he has to pin his hopes on facing Nadal at Wimbledon and the US Open, and then he has to actually play the big moments like a champion, like Sampras, like Nadal.
     
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    Maybe it's best if Federer goes now?

    It already feels like the end of an era (when Fed dominated and guys like hewitt and safin were still up there), maybe it's best he slowly declines and retires near the top? I mean it sucks seeing him going out so early in tournaments, and there's new faces now (djokovic and murray.. yawn). I'd rather remember him from 04/5/6/7 than seeing what he's like now. Does anyone else feel the game has changed?
     
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    I think Federer's problem is mostly mental. He feels too much pressure to match and break Sampras's record. If he continues to spiral downward (and his fall is not as fast as some people would like to think - he's still number two in the world after all), he'll eventually reach a point where he'll no longer feel so much pressure. Plus, with marriage and a child, it might give him a little perspective. Make him realize winning (and losing) isn't the most important thing in the world. Which will help him relax and win more than 3/17 break points in a Wimbledon final. I hope.
     
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    all these posts of what fed should do to improve his game or what's going on in his head probably add up to an entire book.
     
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    Hmm...in which Wimbeldon final did he win 3?
     
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    This thread is a touch different because it's not about what Fed needs to do, it's about whether his fans would be happier if retired soon and could just forget the last year and a half and fondly remember the rest of his career.

    Not a bad idea, but yes, a bit tired and overly discussed topic.
     
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    LOL at all the suggestions that roger should retire, he has at least 2-3 more slams in him, maybe more. I think Pete had a tournament dry spell for 2 years before his magical run at the 2002 US Open.

    A good run at Wimbledon , maybe even winning win will certainly boost his chances at the US Open, don't forget he has won 5 consective US Opens, he is the defending champion, I don't think he should retire on the account that he isn't winning as regular as he was during his prime.
     
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    I suppose most of the other top players, and their fans, would be rather happy if he retired, as this would mean one less major force to deal with. But of course he would be crazy to do so, when he still has reasonably at least 2-3 years to play at least at his current level, which means his chances of winning one or two majors and thus equaling or surpassing Sampras' record are not insignificant.

    The only possible danger is a kind of existential crisis of the kind Borg, suffered where gradually the discipline of keeping up with the training, the sacrifices imposed on family life, the apparent one-dimensionality, and even insanity, of a life dedicated to hitting tennis balls, begins to make you wonder what it all means and if it’s really worth it.

    There is no doubt in my mind that:

    1. He can still maintain a top 4 or 5 level for at least 3 more years, and therefore he can still win some majors.

    2. The era of his unearthly domination is over. But there is nothing surprising in this. Age does not forgive. The neural connections fray ever so slowly, and even a tiny decay can translate in a significant difference in performance, especially for someone who relies on such exquisite timing. In fact, what is really extraordinary, is the level of his domination during the four years he was at the top, which is pretty unmatched in the history of the game for that period of time. You can argue forever about the "weakness of the field" but this is neither here nor there, and it is completely unprovable and subjective. If anything, it could be argued that, to the extent that the tennis pool worldwide has become larger with the passing decades -- in other words, more players worldwide grow up playing tennis and trying to be pros -- it would be extremely odd if the field should get weaker as the decades go by with an increasingly larger pool of youngsters. In the 70s and 80s, for example, there were few players from the former Eastern block. Today those countries are a power house. There is no question that tennis has gradually moved from being a minority sport played by elites in selected countries, to a much more popular game with a much larger pool. How this should make the field “weaker” is by no means clear.

    Anyway, even though I am no fan of Federer, I think his greatness, even if he were to quit tomorrow, must be recognized as extremely awesome. Several of his records are already pretty incredible, and his domination during his four years at the top is yet unsurpassed. He probably feels he had the misfortune of having his career overlap too much with that of a guy like Nadal, who is by all measures another freak of nature with a quite different style. And maybe Nadal felt the same way all those years he played second fiddle to Federer.

    Personally, I would like to see Federer continue to play into his 30s, even if he sinks in the rankings as he will inevitably do at some point. I never liked Connors much while he was at the top, too much of a jerk, but I grew to like him well enough when he was an old legend still giving tough matches to guys that could be his sons.

    Federer should not retire. But he should accept the idea that having a 90%+ winning record year after year is probably going to be a thing of the past. To help him accept this, he should take succor in the fact that even a guy like Sampras, great as he was, never had a 90% winning record on any single year of his career. He should realize that the level of domination implied by his 93, 95, 95, and 88% winning record for 4 straight years is something unique and freakish -- the only thing that comes close to it in he open era being Lendl’s record in 1982, 85, 86, 87 and 89, all of them just above 90% -- and that Sampras never matched any of those numbers in any single year of his career.

    Sampras winning percentage as year-end #1

    1993: 84%
    1994: 87%
    1995: 82%
    1996: 86%
    1997: 82%
    1998: 78%

    Federer winning percentage as year-end #1

    2004: 93%
    2005: 95%
    2006: 95%
    2007: 88%

    Federer should not retire.
     
  38. GameSampras

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    It will be interesting to see what Fed's winning percentage will be this year. He cant even win a tournament these days
     
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    Yes, this thread is full of comedic gold.

    Did you really have to go and revive it, though?

    Edit: GameSampras too... did ALL the good trolls get banned?
     
  41. fed_rulz

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    LOL. group pwnage :twisted:
     
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    Why not? Its their own fault that they posted so much crap...I am just pointing out their work to the rest of the forum and to see if they still believe in what they said just a few weeks back!
     
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    relax brah... everyone knows no one can predict the future =o
     
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    LOL,how quickly things change,it seems that a lot of people's statements here came to bite them in the ***.
     
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    Yeah and i've noticed how all of those posters have stopped posting...or posting with a new id atleast. :D
     
  47. You really must feel like the biggest Jackass in the world right now...
     
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    Watsup Dude?




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    ROFL

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    Wow and I just read some poster talk about how Federer never gets hated on this forum... :shock:
     

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