Message to Nadal : please skip the WTF !

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  1. Death Master

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    it becomes a slam dunk case if he keeps winning slams.

    that is the ultimate dance of death between the 2 warriors in this highly individual sport. that is where you prove your mettle or you do not.

    winning masters is no easy feat either and he has 26 and counting.
     
  2. The Dark Knight

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    I hope your right.

    I just think that even if he wins it there's just not much to gain as it won't help him in the goat debate .

    With 13 slams and an Olympics he is really closing in on Roger and he needs to concentrate on bigger and better things.
     
  3. Gonzo_style

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    Two wins in a row against Djokovic on HC
    Federer is not in good form
    Murray is out
    Berdych, Ferrer, Gasquet and Wawrinka - Nadal's pigeons

    Rafa is an idiot if he skip WTFs, will have a good chance to win
     
  4. Graf1stClass

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    he's not going to be perfectly rounded if he doesn't get what federer doesn't have. federer and him already have every slam.
     
  5. RF20Lennon

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    Hrbaty, Davydenko, Darcis and Rosol say hi!

    Also the fact that he cant win an event that takes place every year where the top 8 players play all year long to qualify is a testament to something. He may be able to beat top players here and there but put them all together and apparently he cant. Something Federer and Sampras have done countless times.
     
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    5 years in tennis years is a lifetime. nadal will take whatever he rests his eyes on.


    also lets see your god get 38-40 masters shields.


    if that is now well rounded then I don't what it is. nadal does plenty well on his worst surfaces.
     
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  7. The_Order

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    Darcis doesn't have a leading h2h against Rafa.

    Also, no one has clear domination over Nadal with h2h, those guys that are leading it are just by 1 or 2 matches and not on the big stage like major finals.
     
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  8. robert.s

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    He should skip it. He won plenty of times there. And the WTF is only a 1500 points event.
     
  9. The Dark Knight

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    What's more important that in the contest of contests....the contest of goats.....
    Fed has a losing record to 2 of the big four .....and is in danger if having a losing record to 3
     
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    "federereeeeeesian clingons" will do anything to cling to anything they can find.

    you probably did not hear their latest craze:

    now they say that clay warrior, nole, and andy murray are from a "different generation".




    this is the ultimate gladiatorial, highly individual sport.

    head to head is not the only thing. it is everything.

    and a slam is the ultimate dance of death between 2 warriors. that is where the head to head matters the most.

    that is where you prove your worth and your greatness or you do not.
     
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    That argument has been made numerous times before and its true. Its just that your recent account is new and you're "pretending" not to have heard of this argument. N.S.K you sly dog!
     
  12. The Dark Knight

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    its bs. Lendl and Connors has an even bigger age difference and others had similar age differences.
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    besides it all evens out ....because while Fed was in his alleged prime Nadal was not even on the tour yet or still devoloping and problem solving.

    so now it would all even out. its a silly argument.
     
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    the game has changed now. now days it takes a few years of experience to be really good on the tour.

    roger had a good start on guys like nadal, nole, and murray.
    he got there first and he had the benefit of experience.
     
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    Exactly!! so they never met in the Australian or USO or as many times as they on indoor as they have on clay during Fed's PRIME. So its an unfair argument because Federer still kept making finals post prime.
     
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    21-10.

    6 of 8 in slam finals on ALL surfaces. 8 of 10 in slams.


    how much more proof do you need?


    just how many times do you want nadal to beat the hell out of roger before you are convinced.


    face the music mate: nadal is better.


    we nadal fans had to face that music too for all those years when nadal was #2.

    we knew that roger had a better game at that point.

    but nadal improved. he had to develop a more robust and more bullet proof ground game to defeat roger and he did.

    he took his Wimbledon crown and he took away his #1 rank.
     
  16. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Fine by me if Rafa skips WTF this year. As a matter of fact, I'd go as far as suggest he hangs up his racket RIGHT NOW and rest till AO or yet better FO!
    Hey, look at the competition he has to face if he decides to play WTF:
    1. Djoker: the one and very likely only one who is a true contender.
    2. Murray: out for the season, so not worth mentioning.
    3. Ferrer: is there a better term of prison sub-bit**ch? Lap dog?!!!
    4. DelPo: a good contender besides Djoker, but also injured and likely out for the season just like Murray, so not worth mentioning either.
    5. Tsonger: an eternal choker, you know the rest.
    6. Berdie Man: another choker, what has he done at WTF in the past years?
    7. Roanic: not proven anything so far at WTF, so all green rookie, not a worry for Rafa (at least on paper)
    8. Nishokori: too low ranked, probably won't even qualify
    9. Federer: outside of Djoker, the only one who can whip Rafa to submission at WTF (anyone watching WTF 2010), but now with his current status, quite uncertain.
    10. Tsipsarevic: oh well, just another name on the list, right?
    So did I leave anyone else worth mentioning? So a terrific, strong field of competion, isn't it? Just looking at it makes one's knees (Rafa's?!!! LOL) go weak! Humm, let's be real, shall we? If Rafa skips, or plays AND LOSES this year WTF, one can wonder about...(fill in the blank, at your choice). So I'd say, skip it Rafa. Listen to TDK and Death Master, they both know how strong this year competition is ferocious!!!
     
  17. VPhuc tennis fan

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    See the bolded part. If not for 5 FO, how many are are left? And if Fed made 5 FO finals, did Rafa make 5 Wimby finals, 5 USO finals, or 5 AO finals? You gotta wonder if FO is just another God-send gift to this guy? Not taking anything away from his wins, but try to look at it objectively! As I asked, did Rafa ever make 5 GS finals IN A ROW anywhere else than FO?
     
  18. Finesse4sum

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    I'm not defending Death Master but Rafa did do that at Wimbledon if you dont include his total absence in 2009 (06,07,08,010,011).

    In a murray thread I was saying the same thing. Djoker and Murray actually played very evenly on preferred surfaces which shows favorably to both.

    Djoker never got this in his matches with Nadal
    Federer never got this in his matches with Nadal
     
  19. robert.s

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    Then Rosol or Darcis are better players than Nadal, since they both have a 1-0 lead against him in slams. I tell you what, take the "h2h thing" and put it in the trash bag, since it has been proved irrelevant when comparing players. If the h2h decides who is GOAT, then no one is GOAT because no one has a positive h2h against every player they've met in their careers.
     
  20. The Dark Knight

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    anyone can have a bad day...it happens. thats not a 21-10 record and since 2008 its far worse.

    there can be an upset on any given day....thats not a h2h.....

    come on now. How you can say Nadal domionating federer in slam finals is irrelevant is beyond me?? its nuts.

    Pete Sampras who knows a thing or two about this sport certainly does not agree with you.
     
  21. Death Master

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    negative. you will just have to be educated here.


    sample size is not large enough to draw any reliable conclusions.


    also he gets a little spent both physically and mentally from completely dominating the clay circuit. clay is the hardest surface there is. you cant win cheap points there with your serve. you really have to produce on the red clay.

    and he has been doing for that 10 long years.


    you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


    rosol and darcis are nothing and always will be nothing.

    nadal is as superior to them as the living are to the dead.
     
  22. The_Order

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    LOL do you even know what you're on about?

    Rafa did make it to 5 Wimbledon finals.

    Federer did NOT make it to 5 RG finals against Nadal, it was 4.

    Rafa has NOT made it to 5 RG finals in a row.

    Rafa has made it to 3 USO finals. Fed has failed to meet him there on each occasion.

    Rafa has beat Fed twice at AO and never lost to him there.

    Rafa has beat Fed in 3/4 majors. Fed only 1/4.
     
  23. VPhuc tennis fan

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    True. Some mistakes from my part and I own it.
    See the correction:
    At FO, Fed made 3 FO finals IN A ROW and lost to Rafa (06, 07, and 08), and another time (11).
    Now, Rafa did not make it to Wimby Finals 5 times IN A ROW.
    Rafa has not made to 3 USO finals IN A ROW either.
    As for AO, Rafa won against Fed in 09 IN THE FINAL. The other win was SF. How about the years 04, 06, and 07 when Fed won? Rafa was a non-factor.
    The point that you miss was the consistency that Fed had achieved as a top player. Rafa was also consistent BUT not to the same degree. IMO, this year, many people including posters here at TW rushed to throw everything Fed had achieved in the trash and ready to put him in the retirement chair. Strangely, they also sound like Fed was a nobody, or some kind of relic in 1800. The last I check, Fed was still in the top 8.
     
  24. The Dark Knight

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    If Fed wants to be considered the greatest in my book then he has to beat Nadal.
     
  25. The Dark Knight

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    OMG you are so grabbing for straws.

    Nadal lost a match here and there,.....so therefore the head to head in slam finals doesnt matter????? it means absolutely zero????

    thats just crazy.
     

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