Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by Kirijax, Dec 15, 2012.
Miami giving Texas Tech a tough match but looks like the Red Raiders are going to pull it out.
Yep. Assuming the scoreboards are right because they have been an absolute mess today, but it looks like they just went down 4-2.
Canes ladies go down 4-0, and the guys go down 4-3.
I don't know Miami's dual match schedule, so I can't say for sure what happened with their draw. I just wanted to offer an explanation that a coach had shared with me.
If you prefer to see bad intent behind draws, have at it.
They are so keen on avoiding teams that are on each other's schedule, and yet here we have Duke-North Carolina and UCLA-USC. There goes that theory right out the window. Next!
First off I should say I hadn't noticed Duke jumping over Miami in the seedings. That would be upsetting.
As far as conference teams meeting today, it is the quarter finals. My suggestion was that the tournament committee, in hopes of attracting all the top teams, tries to avoid teams having to travel just to play teams that are all ready on their schedule.
I offered that as an alternative to the theory that there was a anti Miami bias, but I do acknowledge that there could be a reason for such biases.
Miami women are about to take a quick 3-0 lead over Vanderbilt at the NTI, but it could be a long wait for that fourth point.
An hour and five minutes later, Miami gets the fourth point for a 4-3 win.
Whew, that was close! I was staring at the 7-5, 5-4 what seemed like forever, praying for it to change to 7-5, 6-4. lol I got my wish!
I had the chance to watch the Michigan/Miami match today. When it came to crunch time, in the 3rd set tb, Miami made a bad call, was overruled, and lost the next two points to lose the court and the match. I was sitting upstairs, looking down the line and it was not a very close call.It was on the chairs side and he saw it the same as me,made the correction without hesitation.
It truly is a game of inches !
Bad day for Canes tennis as the women fall to Michigan 4-1 and the men continue their free fall with a 5-2 loss to South Florida. Sad to say this, but the talent just isn't there for the guys. Gonna be a brutal rest of the season.
Wrote an article for the State of The U site concerning the Canes' season so far. Haven't been able to find out what exactly is wrong with Wilfredo Gonzalez but I'm assuming he's injured. We need him back soon.
Former Cane Michael Russell defeated Lleyton Hewitt to advance to just his third ATP semifinal of his career! Goes up against Nishikori today for his first ever final!
Flashing The U in Japan! Had a student-parent doubles tourney today and got everyone to flash The U for a picture!
Being hearing a lot of talk about the Mt Rushmore of the NBA or whatever sport so I tried making a Canes Tennis Mt. Rushmore. The men's team has struggled the last few years but there is a great history of tennis at Miami. My choices were Gardnar Mulloy, Pancho Segura, Daniel Vallverdue and Dale Lewis. Lots of other players could be int here too so it was tough to narrow it down.
Canes Tennis Mt. Rushmore
The ladies have had a rough couple of weeks, finishing with a 1-2 record at the ITA Indoors and seeing their ranking slip from No. 9 to No. 17. they got back on the courts yesterday and swept Maryland 7-0 to start off their ACC season. They'll host Notre Dame on Sunday.
The men also continue to watch their ranking slide. they are now ranked No. 62 after two losses to Texas Tech and South Florida. They face North Florida at home today. North Florida won this matchup last year.
Canes men bounce back after a tough loss to Texas Tech and a bad loss to South Florida. They bare escaped North Florida today with a 4-3 win at home. They have a double-header on March 4th vs. Presbyterian/Xavier before the (gulp) ACC season starts against Clemson.
Don't want to rain on the Canes parade. One of UNF's better players Gomes did not play. Is he injured? That's my only guess.
I heard the Canes played the match under protest because of UNF's lineup. Apparently the Osprey's new coach got a bit too liberal with his stacking but again that's just what I heard. And the Canes are also missing Gonzalez badly.
But a little rain doesn't matter much in this season. Once the ACC season starts, it's going to be a full-on category % hurricane for the men's team.
With Gomes out it appears he moved a couple of players up two spots. Wonder if the protest would have held up. Rarely does. Sounds like both squads are dealing with injuries to starters. Thanks to keeping me in line! Ha Ha
the poster with all the 7's in his name is a stacking expert. ask him
Zuern playing 5 behind Tellez is laughable. They are not even remotely close in ability level. Regardless, Miami really needs to hire someone new. I'd love to see them do well again, but the current set-up is not working. There is pretty much zero shot of them making NCAA's.
Coach Rincon had a good run at the beginning but the last four years or so have been rough. They have the No. 6 ranked class next year. While that's never a guaretee of anything, it is a step in the right direction. I'm trying to stay positive and I'm not quite ready to to give up on the the coaching staff just yet but another two years of the same may spell the end. And you're right. They have very little chance of making it to the NCAAs this year. Still rooting for my team regardless.
Miami is getting a lot recruits
Three of the six are not signed yet. They have given verbal but that's it so far.
Sort of expected it with the first computer rankings coming out this week, but a disastrous week for the Canes in the rankings all across the board. How the Canes have fallen.
Stephanie Wagner is names AC Player of the Week so there's finally a bit of good news.
Wagner wins ACC Player of the Week
Maybe a bit long but here's my two cents about the scoring changes. Notice how I turned it turned it away from the scoring to rant on my soap box about the college tennis scoreboards. lol
College Tennis Rule Changes: The Wrong Approach
During the last few years, the NCAA, the United States Tennis Association (USTA) and the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) have been making an effort to "save" college tennis. College tennis is in trouble. It needs help. Changes need to be made if it is going to survive. In the last 10 years, over 100 schools have dropped tennis from their sports programs. Attendance has been falling. College tennis generates practically zero revenue. It is a difficult sport to televise. Very few of the players actually make it in professional tennis. There is no denying that something needs to be done to save the sport on the college level.
When the announcements for the rules came out, everyone who has a voice in the tennis community made their opinion known. And the changes were almost universally derided. The changes that were put into effect were:
No warm-up before doubles.
In doubles, the games will be one-ad scoring and a tie-breaker will be played at 5-all.
No time will be given between the doubles and singles matches.
In singles, the games will be one-ad scoring and a tiebreaker at 5-all.
If the first two sets are split, then a super-tiebreak (first to 10 points wins) will be used.
Those are the basic changes the NCAA and ITA announced would be used through the ITA Indoors tournament in February. Jon Wertheim of Sports Illustrated, Colette Lewis of Zoo Tennis, Ben Rothenberg of the New York Times, and many others called the changes bad for the sport and questioned the reasoning behind it.
I won't go into all the changes in detail since the writers I listed above have done a better job of it than I ever could. And I agree with them. The changes are a horrible, poor attempt to try to save college tennis from being dropped altogether. I do agree with their goal of saving the sport. However, the tennis associations want to make tennis more accessible and shorter for the casual college sports fan. I get what they are trying to do. But they are approaching the problem from the wrong side.
Tennis is a beautiful, exciting, amazing sport. A few weeks ago, I ran a couple of articles on the "Most Difficult Sport" and the "Sport with the Best Athletes. In both discussions, tennis was solidly in the top ten for both. For those who have played tennis before, there is no denying that it is one of the most difficult and challenging sports out there, and the top tennis players in the world are some of the best athletes you will find anywhere. The sport has endured for over 100 years with very few changes compared to other sports. It is one of the few sports that is truly international. I need to jump off my soapbox now because if tennis had an anthem I'd be singing it now. It is a beautiful sport.
Tennis does not need to be changed. The rules do not need to be altered, the warm-ups do not need to be canceled, and the high intensity of a third set battle does not need to be wiped out to accommodate a few casual fans. The problem with college tennis is not the rules or the way the sport is set up. The problem is the promotion of the sport.
Let's say you're watching a football or basketball game scoreboard on ESPN's GameCast or CBS Sports' GameTracker during work or maybe when a game isn't televised. The scoreboard is updated once every 5 minutes, sometimes after a 30-minute wait, and sometimes it just freezes. How often would you keep going back to that sport to check the scores? Or how about you see the scoreboard and it has your team winning by a score of 21-6 and then suddenly the scores are flipped and you find out that your team is not wining but losing. How long will you trust that scoreboard? How long would you enjoy following a sport like that?
We all want accurate, up-to-date, detailed scoreboards to follow our favorite teams. As an expatriate American living overseas, sometimes that is all I have to follow my favorite sports. College tennis has utterly and completely failed in this area. All of the instances that I mentioned above are regular occurrences in college tennis. I cannot count the times I have woken up at 2 am in the morning to follow Hurricanes tennis (yes, I'm nuts but that's another discussion for another day) and I have sat for hours, waiting for the scoreboards to be updated before finally rubbing my bloodshot eyes and giving up. There are even tennis venues where the fans who are actually at the matches do not know what the scores are because of the poor effort of keeping them updated or the scores mistakenly punched in by an umpire or the hard-to-see scoreboards. It's enough to make you cuss like the most foul-mouthed sailor.
This is just one example of the poor job college tennis does at promoting its sport. ITA had a page of links to three dual matches last weekend, but there were over a dozen dual matches going on around the country. College Tennis Online had the wrong date listed for the latest Canes tennis match. Over on a tennis forum called Talk Tennis, there are a few huge, crazier-than-me, die-hard tennis fans who do their best to list all of the live stats links for the dual matches and these lists are much more thorough and complete than anything the ITA puts out and that is just sad. If the tennis fanatics like myself and the other fans on Talk Tennis have this much trouble following the matches, how many casual tennis fans are going to do the same? That's right. None.
The answer to saving college tennis is not in changing the rules. No one is going to suggest that baseball be cut back to six innings, for football to be played for three quarters, or for basketball to play for only 30 minutes. It should not be done for tennis either. The big wigs of college tennis need to sit down and talk about the problems of how the sport is being promoted; not how to change the rules to make it more "television-friendly". If the product is good, people are going to watch it. And the sport of tennis is a very good product. If the promotion is good, people will take notice and come to see what it's all about. This is where college tennis has failed and no amount of rule changes is going to make the fans stay. don't change the sport. Figure how to promote the sport. That's the only way tennis can survive in the world of college sports.
The Canes get an easy win over the Boston College Eagles today at The Schiff. They will play 19. Georgia Tech on Sunday. Should be a good one.
That's a really good post Kirijax.
Thanks. Just one of my pet peeves about college tennis. Wish I had the answer or a solution to make to better. That's up to the top guys in college tennis but I don't think they are up to the challenge.
The No. 20 Canes walloped the No. 10 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets today with a 7-0 sweep. The upset of the No. 3 doubles team was very impressive. The Canes go up against former assistant Alex Santos and his Pittsburgh team on Friday.
Canes twitter is doing a good job with updates today and live scoring is doing well too.
Yes, except that the match finished while I was at lunch, and the Ministry of Truth erased the scores of the matches that had not finished.
The Canes twitter updates have improved greatly in the last few matches. Compared to what it was anyway.
Pretty dominant win over PC. PC actually gave Clemson a decent match in January.
Wasn't sure what to expect in our first match today. I'm pleasantly surprised. hope they can keep it up against Xavier.
Didn't Xavier give Michigan State a pretty good match recently?
Just checked. Xavier lost 6-1. Their No. 4 won and only one other three set match.
Henrique Tsukamoto hits such a a nice looking ball. Comes of the racquet so clean. I thought he would be better
The unranked Canes went into today's doubleheader needing to win both to have any chance of a .500 record today. They responded to that challenge by sweeping Presbyterian 4-0 in the morning and then sweeping Xavier in the afternoon. They are now at 6-3 and will start their ACC season at Clemson on Friday.
Tuesday Complete Results
I've heard he's a great guy. Glad to see he's finally getting his chance in the lineup.
ho do you think Miami will do at Clemson tomorrow?
Well, if the Canes play out of their minds, Clemson is caught sleep walking, the refs are completely in Miami's corner, all the close line calls go our way, Miami sends up a 100-member brigade of scantily clad Miami beauties, Shalala makes some calls, Harrington and Maden stub their toes, and some serious scoreboard tampering happens, then I'll say Miami can win 4-3.
Canes drop the doubles pint to Clemson but Wilfredo Gonzalez is in the lineup! Nice to have him back!
Playing indoor. Only 4 courts
Thanks, I figured after watching the scoreboard not load the scores for the last 30 minutes on No. 5 and 6.
If they had played later like at 3 or 4 it could have been outdoor as the forecast says it will clear up. But they really wanted this bizarre 11am start
1 a.m. 2 a.s. It's all the same to me. lol
But yeah, weird. Clemson got something else going on on campus today?
oh yeah it must be weird to follow these matches at the weird times in Japan.
Clemson has baseball at home later but that hasn't mattered before as far as tennis times. Clemson baseball is dead to me anyway.
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