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  1. Mick3391

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    I was told to do a diary of my son here, both for our sake and others.

    Problem was when anything positive came up the stalker freaks had to chime in, makes you wonder what is in their closet.

    I think this will be beneficial for me, my son, and others.

    So I'm going to start with what I can remember, and know freaks that you will be ignored, I think many will get a kick out of this.
     
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    Trying to figure out when I joined. About June last year.

    We went to Big 5, I bought the most rediculous cheap racquets, thought we could hit some balls. My son had no sport. Even though he's like me in almost every way he had no sport.

    So with these cheap racquets, we hit, and of course he hit it out, net, no clue.

    I wanted to serve, FIRST JUMP I torn my plantaris muscle.

    Thing is he LOVED IT. We didn't just play once in awhile, but he wanted to play all the time, so I obliged.

    I taught him what I knew, serve and volley, flat shots. Nothing magical with him, no prodigy here, but he had one shot, still does, it looks like a full swing, but it stops and flattens out barely over the net, no man can get it, that was cool.

    After the Summer, they had a Tennis Team try outs, not really try outs, they accept everyone. Yet there were 25 kids to my surprise, Mick BARELY made varsity in 6th grade, JH is now 6th-8th.

    He played doubles, first game was CLOSE, then after that they lost like crazy. Coach was horrible, couldn't figure out basic things we see online or that I know.

    But Mick finally managed to play singles, out of two players. Yet he lost, bad.

    Next was USTA, got him ready, got creamed, well basically 6-3, 6-3. He was sad but I explained he must lose to learn how to win.
     
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    Winter hits. Thought we would join some indoor club, but it'sa $30 for one hour. Heh we practice for 6 hours, or 2 one day, then 4 the next, one hour is a waste of time.

    So drought.

    On good days, remember this is WA, we'd play, wet courts. Sometimes we just played in the rain, because he wanted to play Tennis.

    During the AO, he was totally into it, as he's a Fed fan.

    I'd get very frustrated, because although he got much better, I mean when he's on he runs me around. But most of the time he's lazy, can't teach a lazy person.

    We started drills. I asked him, "If you want to do this, I have a long list of training for you, but not if you won't move".

    So we have done drills, two hours of me hitting to his forehand to drive it down my BH line, then two hours the other way, then cross court.

    He has the ability, the only thing, which is the main thing is his lack of moving. He's tall, strong legs, but lazy.

    This can be expected at his age, I don't want to push him, but want him to push him, when that happens he'll be top guy up here in our area, he has the heart, skills, but without movement it's all in vain.
     
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    Yea, that's the only thing, not moving. You can have all of the shots in the book, but if you don't move, and I mean MOVE, it means nothing, movement is 90% of the game or whatever.

    He recently got his shoes, short pants even though it's cold outside, and he was AWESOME.

    As long as he wants it, he will do well. I had him play a Bab PD 100 and it was great, I mean he plays the same with the K-Factor 95, but he was just into it.
     
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    does he cross train with other sports? (well, i guess you said no sport)...

    soccer is great for the feet... my son is 8, has played soccer for 5 seasons... I take him to the junior tennis clinic once a week, all beginners, but he has the happiest feet.
     
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    Hi Mick, Congratulations man... on spending time with your son and teaching him the great game of tennis..Soccer is a great suggestion by luvforty to get his feet moving or basketball. Any team sport where peer pressure will make your son move more. The best time of my life was teaching my son who made his college team but quit to go ROTC Marines,,He is now a Marine Corps Captain.But we still knock heads in singles when he's home..One hard piece of advice i had to learn was not to push my son too much..Sometimes let him go for a while and hope they come back
     
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    Thanks for the info. Yea I don't want to push him, want him to want it, and he just doesn't like any other sports.

    We do alot of different drills, that's not it, and I'm not that worried about it, I think he'll grow out of it, but yea I tell him to move, that is be ready the second I hit the ball, many times he waits until it gets over, and by then it's too late.

    He is just adapting I hope to being ready, this is all new to him. Then again, sometimes he books it, is ready, alert, so while frustrating I do think he'll come out of it.
     
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    I couldn't tell anyone about what happened yesterday as there are no real words to describe it.

    Mick I and played Friday in the rain for a couple of hours. Saturday we went to a large court with alot of other players, dry outside.

    As usual before we even play, people, and I just don't understand people, here I am 6'1" and muscular, this man walks up and starts giving advice. My son and I are polite and don't say anything, just "Thanks".

    We play and it's real good, nothing special. We work out though for like 4 hours, we are both tired. Through it I ask others is they will play Mick as I think it's good experience for him and he wants it.

    Finally, this guy who was about 28, who started younger than Mick, plays all year round, said "If you want me to hit with him", "Please" I say.

    Of course the guys tries to tell Mick, because he saw him, "Oh you should use a two handed backhand with that heavy racquet, you should...". They played, ever see a "Miracle" shot?

    Mick never went behind the baseline except when absolutely necessary, in short he KICKED THIS GUYS BUTT, the guys wife was next to me, she and others watching were clapping, Mick's every shot was unbelivable, hard deep topspin followed by a short flat shot to the line, no human can get that, drop shots, wide, shot, hard, soft, slice, topspin, he KILLED THIS GUY, I couldn't believe it, I thought "He'll fall apart", then he moved back hit a shot and fell, clapping again.

    It was the most amazing thing I ever saw in my life, the other guy was amazed, didn't know what to do, at first it was going to be like 5 minutes, they went over 30 as the guy tried to establish himself.

    The problem was the guy was trained "Modern Style", he was expecting to hit huge topspin, have it land mid court, the bounce and wait for Mick to hit it. Mick would run up, catch the shot mid air and put it away.

    I was smart to listen to my instincts instead of all of these so called experts, start with small heavy racquet, work on shot making, keep your eye on the ball, then move up. Learn baseline, and serve and volley, hit hard, hard, medium, hard, soft, deep, drop, make everything different.

    This was the ultimate performance, I mean with me he relaxes and just cruises, he was like a lion, he wanted to kill this guy and he had no chance, he had no clue what to do. Mick was picking up balls on the rise early and driving it where the guy wasn't.

    These guys are used to hitting hard from the baseline, they have no clue with a variety of shots, and I simply don't care what anyone says, I have some on my side also.

    If Mick keeps this up, that is desire, training, he can go along way. I'm simply stunned.
     
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    Have you ever posted a video of your son playing?
     
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    No, but you know what, I'm buying a stupid camera! I have tried on my phone, but you can't even see the ball!

    I think it's a wise investment so, I mean you never know, but it would be good to see him play now, then hopefully improve, and God willing he goes somewhere, we have it.

    I don't know how people do it though, I mean I can film him, but how do you get those videos of the panoramic view? What do they do, hang the camera on the fence?
     
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    Get a GoPro and attach it to the fence or use some tripod.
     
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    Hey Mick! Yes, definitely get a camcorder and take pictures and vids whenever possible. You will be very glad you did, and your son will be very glad you did. It will gain in value for you as the years pass.

    Yes, that's one way. As tennis_balla mentioned, the gopro ( http://gopro.com/ ) camcorders are fantastic, and would indeed be a good investment.

    But if a gopro isn't currently in your budget, then start saving and just get a cheap camcorder for the time being(eg., I'm making do with a Sony Cybershot until springing for a gopro is in my budget. In lieu of getting a tripod, or fashioning a fence mounting thingy, or getting a gopro, which has all the mounting attachments you'll ever need, I just tape my CyberShot to the top of one of the garbage can holders at my public courts which I move to the center by the back fence. A higher perspective would be better, so I'm going to either fashion something I can hook to the fence out of a wire coat hanger or figure out some other way to do it. Any suggestions? Of course, I could just go ahead and get a tripod. :)).

    Anyway, nice thread and best wishes to you and your son for lots more rewarding times with tennis.
     
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  13. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Hi Mick

    Congrats on the whole diary thing, and good luck!

    Sounds like the young fella is ready for a Junior Tournament.

    It would be a great way to get a feel for where he sits relative to competitive players his own age.

    Just be prepared fro some of these 'baseline bashers' to be a lot more capable of handling young Mick's variety than you seem to expect.

    That said, I applaud your efforts so far, sounds like it's going great :)
     
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    Thanks, yea sometimes it may sound like bragging, but heh I'm a proud dad, I love my son, and the other day I'm telling you IT WAS THE COOLEST THING I EVER SAW.

    Here I am complaining that he isn't hussling, but then he just turns into a TIGER the second he's playing this adult. I mean at 12 I would have probably been afraid of him, not Mick. I mean he wants to be Roger Federer! He even imitates him in the sense of making a great shot then showing no emotion.

    At first I thought "Ok, he's lucking out", but he did better and better, never let up, the guy looked over to us (His wife and I) as if "What the heck is this". IT WAS THE COOLEST THING I EVER SAW. I am definitely going to get a camera.
     
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    Hi Tom, how are you?

    Thanks, yea it's time to get a camera, I so wish I had that on tape. Just have to wait for a deal to come in and I'm getting one.
     
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    I didn't comment on your point about baseliners. Yea I'm not training him to be a serve and vollyer, but rather TO KNOW HOW. It amazes me how most don't know. I know that some can rip balls right by him. I teach him to yea play from the baseline, but mix it up, it throws guys off, like it did that guy. That guy was no slouch, he started younger than mick, was 28, and plays all through the winter. His problem is that when I saw him hitting with his wife, they were just hitting baseline, so he had no idea how to handle a guy coming forward, catching the ball in the air mid court and jamming it back.

    I just think learning everything is important, I'm not against baseline play at all, but I think mixing it up, making every shot different, making every position different is important.

    Anyways as you can tell I'm still jazzed:)
     
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    Coming to the net can allow the net rusher an advantage over the baseliner as you have so much more angles and "court" to work with.
    You're a smart dad
     
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    oh, no, I wasn't implying anything negative!

    all court skills never go out of style :)

    but I do think a tournament would be a good idea, let him get a feel for where he is at, too..

    (my 13 year old regularly massacres 4.0s around the club, but he is only a middling junior at a State level in his age group.)
     
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    Hahaha that's probably the ultimate to see. There are a couple top U12 national players at my club, they annihilate pretty much every single 4.5 and under player here. Watching such a young kid absolutely crush the ball is awesome!

    -Fuji
     
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    Feeling better, stronger each day, thanks. Hope you're feeling as well as possible.

    There will be plenty more times that you will have video and pictures of. The most important thing is that you actually do spend time with your son. No substitute for that. From what I've learned of you so far I'll bet you're a pretty darned good dad. Just don't get too proud of, or ambitious for, him. :) We all need a certain freedom (within a nicely structured environment that it sounds like you're engineering for him).

    Anyway, this diary thing is a cool idea, imo. I'm sure many TalkTennis posters will be tracking it, as I will.

    I'm anxious to see some vids of your talented son in action, but even more I would like to see some vids of your play. So, get a frickin camera and start recording for chrisakes. :) (If you need any tips just email me.)

    Also, if you're ever in my area then you'd better contact me so we can at least hit, maybe even play a set or two. The old man might just slip a few shots past ya. (I'll furnish the court, balls, nutritional drinks, and comic relief. Just bring your A game, because you might need it if I'm back to full strength. :) )
     
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    Mick has complete freedom, I only introduced him to Tennis and let him know what could possibly be possible if he trains. He wants to play more than I do. When we train I do push him as he wants to learn. I wish my dad taught me, told me I could play USTA tourneys.

    Play you? Here's what would happen when we play;

    "Mick serves and Tom starts to retreat, if he keeps this up he’ll be in a ringside seat, Mick hits from the left, hits from the right, Tom is scared and full of fright. Mick hits deep, then makes a lob, if he keeps this up Tom will look like a slob, Mick hits a hard cross court that is oh so cool, until Tom counters to win match point to make Mick look like a fool".
     
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    from what I have seen, TomT plays in the 3.0 but has a serve that will give trouble to most 4.0s

    i am not convinced that mick jr can handle the old man!
     
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    Me neither, but I'd like to see it!
     
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    From what I've learned of you, you're a conscientious and caring person who probably knows very well when to kick ass and when to be nice. Your son is fortunate, imo.

    Nice poetic rendering, but I think it would go more like this: Mick and Tom play a most enjoyable match in which there are a few interesting rallies and in which Tom hits a few really nice shots, but Mick's much better movement, and relatively greater consistency of accurate placement and pace, and many fewer unforced errors, prevails. Final score: Mick by 6-1, 6-1, but he was most entertained. Next match: Mick by 6-2, 6-2. Mick is still most entertained. Next match: Mick by 6-3, 6-3. Mick is still entertained, but is beginning to get a bit concerned. And so on. What do you think? :)

    Or, it's quite possible that you're so much better than me that I'd get consistently bageled. Maybe winning an occasional game. Maybe not. But I still think you'd enjoy the matches, because in some, maybe even lots of, games you're going to have to actually play well to win.
     
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    Tom I'd love to play you some time! I think that it would be a super fun hit! Same with Mick! Hitting with people from the forum is always a really cool experience.

    -Fuji
     
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    Me too. If you're ever in this area I hope you contact me.
     
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    Will do for sure!

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    Nice pre-commentary there! I don't make any predictions except that we would have fun!
     
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    Back to diary;

    Mick got a Nadal AeroPro. Silly, he was looking at Babs, so his grandparents got him this 110 inch Pure Overdrive. I was able to trade it for a Aero.

    This is silly, he has a "Collection" of racquets now! A "Federer", a "Nadal", and a "Del Portro"!

    Training log with Mick off the court:
    1. Play catch with the tennis ball making him focus on the ball, that is his eye. Throw to the left and right, want to see his head move to see, increase speed until I'm nailing him, and he's catching it.
    2. Throwing three balls in the air, let them bounce, then have him hit all three before they bounce. Could do 2 up until about a week ago, now can do 3.
    3. Jogging forward and backwards
    4. Place 4 objects near the baseline so he has to hit with a forehand, then immediately BH, then move back and a FH, then over to a BH, this works both sides of his brain.
    5. Bounce the ball on the ground to catch, then do two balls so I'm throwing one as he is, again works his concentration and brain.
    6. Watching DVD's of Federer!

    Training Mick on the court:

    1. Hours at the net
    2. Hours at mid court, catching ball in the air before it bounces
    3. Baseline. Not just return, but return a winner or set up for a winner.
    4. Hours to the BH
    5. The topspin, flat, slice drill, both hard and soft.
    6. Hitting the ball on the rise
     
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    Forgot, hit the ball up and down, hit it on the head, bounce it off the head and back to the racquet and keep bouncing.
     
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    I do not have the personality to be a teacher, today we play, Mick is not there, nothing, can't hit anything.

    So this old guy comes by, I ask him if he'll play Mick, and of course first thing the guy wants to teach Mick, I don't know how these nuts think, "Oh I've been playing for 10 years, what you want to do is......."

    Mick got slaughtered by a guy who couldn't play at all, just nothing, as exhilierating as it was to see Mick wipe the other guy out this was as frustrating as can be.

    I understand inconsistancy, we all have it, but this is crazy.
     
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    I believe the problem is being tired mentally. We played after a long week of getting up at 7am and studying all day. Mick is very smart, but when tired he is like me, struggles to find thoughts. He took a nap yesterday and was sharp again.

    Since Tennis is mental, hopefully it's only mental fatigue that explains this huge inconsistancy.
     
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    Here's another day, Mick fully rested, and same nonsense. Had an occasional decent rally.

    I got so frustrated I just said "Let's go", "We spend more effort picking up balls than you playing".

    He, and I can just see it on him, I read tennis players, but especially my SON, and I can just tell, doesn't get ready until the ball comes over the net, doesn't keep his eye on the ball, doesn't move into position to hit it right, just a total breakdown of what he was taught.

    I would hit a ball, and as I hit it grab another one because I could tell he wouldn't get a shot back.

    Anyone have any suggestions? Not all of this technical nonsense. I don't think anyone can because it's heart, it's mental, when he's rested and into it he's a killer, you know what I mean, otherwise he's just there.

    I don't move much with him, perhaps he's imitating me. I can get away with it, he can't. I mean I have golfers elbow, it hurts so bad it hurts even when I dry my hair, I guess it's permanant, then I sprain my ankle, still surge on, and he acts like without effort it will just come.

    Frustrating, I don't care if he can't play well, I don't care if he doesn't have talent, he does have talent, what is frustrating is that he has huge talent but such a low amount of effort. You can't teach hussle.
     
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    Here's another day, Mick fully rested, and same nonsense. Had an occasional decent rally.

    I got so frustrated I just said "Let's go", "We spend more effort picking up balls than you playing".

    He, and I can just see it on him, I read tennis players, but especially my SON, and I can just tell, doesn't get ready until the ball comes over the net, doesn't keep his eye on the ball, doesn't move into position to hit it right, just a total breakdown of what he was taught.

    I would hit a ball, and as I hit it grab another one because I could tell he wouldn't get a shot back.

    Anyone have any suggestions? Not all of this technical nonsense. I don't think anyone can because it's heart, it's mental, when he's rested and into it he's a killer, you know what I mean, otherwise he's just there.

    I don't move much with him, perhaps he's imitating me. I can get away with it, he can't. I mean I have golfers elbow, it hurts so bad it hurts even when I dry my hair, I guess it's permanant, then I sprain my ankle, still surge on, and he acts like without effort it will just come.

    Frustrating, I don't care if he can't play well, I don't care if he doesn't have talent, he does have talent, what is frustrating is that he has huge talent but such a low amount of effort. You can't teach hussle.
     
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    lol i feel bad for jr.

    what is your goal?
     
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    Just go on days whenever he wants to go. Often my "bad" days on court, are when I'm obligated to go due to someone else, rather then if I go because I want to. It just sounds like he's having a couple off days here. Take a few days off and get some quality sleep. :)

    Trust me, the sleep REALLY helps! I nap pretty often if I know I have tennis at night.

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    I don't have answers. I do know it has to come from the person.

    My son and daughter both see the effort I put into tennis (and music, my other hobby, not to mention my job that actually earns money). Whether it's hitting against the wall to fix a stroke problem, or running a scale over and over, they see the benefit of practice. But ultimately they have to decide if they want to put in that effort, and what things are important enough to them to make that effort. I'm not a believer that you need to be the best you can be at every single thing you do, but I do think there should be some things in your life that you are willing to work for and be your best at.

    You try to be a roll model. you try to help your kids, but they have to decide. Do let them know that they are loved unconditionally.
     
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    I think this thread is getting better as it evolves. Given its potential I rated it 5 stars (excellent). But I noticed that the overall rating is 2 stars (bad). I hope that improves. I see the potential for all sorts of issues being discussed as sidebars to Mick's diary of his interaction with Mick Jr., and Mick Jr.'s development. Kudos to Mick Sr. for putting it out there. There are lots of insightful TT posters who haven't yet contributed to this thread (and some who have), and I hope that more will weigh in here as this thread progresses.

    Regarding proper rest, my two cents is that it's the single most important element in realizing a more or less long term goal that requires a lot of diligent hard work.

    Regarding hustle, I think it can be required and thus realized in a controlled environment. Whether self-motivated hustle can be taught is a harder question. Whether or not things required and realized in controlled, restricted environments might become 'habits' is another hard(er) question.

    Regarding whether passionate commitment (from which self-motivated hustle, patience, diligence, and the willingness to work and engage in tedious practice comes) can be taught, I don't have any particularly informed or solid opinion. It's seems that it should be as manipulable (via environmental engineering) as any other behavioral trait or propensity. But it's obviously a much deeper issue than, say, teaching somebody how to hit a serve, or getting somebody to hustle in a more or less controlled environment.
     
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    I don't understand what you are saying, you feel bad for him? He's getting hundreds of thousand of dollars of first rate training for free.

    My goal is one thing; Mick wants to be a Federer, that is what HE WANTS, and hey you have to believe or it will never happen, he get's what, even in the winter 6-10 hours of training/play. He has the skills, the eye/hand coodination, no fear, but lacks sometimes heart, that is moving your tail, focusing, getting in position. I see it first hand, I can tell if he's going to blow a shot.

    See I pretty much just stand there, and shoot shots back to him. He can't afford to do that, to be a competitor he has to move once I hit, anticipate where it's going and get there, move the feet, position, but he takes the easy way that I can get away with but he can't.

    So I have NO GOAL, he does, so I'm here to help him meet that goal, I push him up higher than where he should be, I mean he's played less than one year, we started last Summer.
     
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    Thanks, I agree. For some reason, I guess it's society, whenever I say "I'm training my son", they assume I'm PUSHING my son, which is simply not true. He wants to play more than I do. It's as if the big bad evil daddy wants to punish his child into being a pro, but that's the farthest thing from the truth.

    Anyways, yea, I can be tired, hurt, still play, but then again I have experience. He did aweful, but then slept like 12 hours, and still did bad, he needs to focus.

    I see a few factors clear as day when he plays bad; 1. Doesn't move when I hit. 2. Doesn't keep his eye on the ball. 3. Doesn't move to get in right position. 4. Just tries to get the ball over.

    So I see this managerie of hitting a soft shot over the net, after it's over the net he starts to move, gets in wrong position, doesn't look at the ball, and just hits as if it will magically be a great shot. I'm a first witness.

    Othertimes I kill it, I mean I hit it as hard as I can and he's there, calm, aiming, and I have to be on guard because he does have talent and can place shots where he wants when on.
     
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    Thanks. Yea Mick knows without question he's love without condition.

    You hit on something, he see's me out there with torn plantaris muscles, golfers elbow (I've had it for half a year, sometimes can't even dry my hair as it hurts), sees me giving it all, yet he still hasn't picked up on that.

    My dad was tough, so I was. Perhaps it's just that his testosterone hasn't kicked in. Sometimes he gets angry at himself, only time I ever saw him angry, I think it's just a different time, we'd kill ourselves at 12 in basketball, football, everything but today everything is supposed to come easy.

    For example, in school when I was a kid, it was a goal of 6 minute mile, know it's 12!

    If he had no ability, I would never be frustrated, but I've seen it, he can be a monster, I can see him killing me, but when I see him not trying it's like a waste.
     
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    I think it must be desire. We play a Federer match on TV, he's a killer. We just play and he's ok.

    Same with me really. When I hit against Mick, I barely move, just tap shots back over, miss, I look horrible. Then I play some monster and I'm totally different like a couple days ago.

    It's like waking up, it's easy to allow for two bounces then just shooting it back, but when playing a stranger you have to book it, concentrate, aim and fire. Perhaps we put each other to sleep because we know we don't have to move.

    I think I'll change my training to straight matches. That is no "Relaxing" training, but "Let's see how you will do", points and games matter, so perhaps that will motivate him. I'll just play like a kid his age, that way he will see it as a challenge.

    I mean the other day that I bragged about, he was "Tired", we were ready to leave, then he CRUSHED this guy, and had much more energy to go, said he could have kept playing.

    We did a backhand drill last time, and he was like 7% good, it was rediculous. In a match I've seen him do so much better.

    Yea I agree I'd like to hear from others or the same with new opinions. PLEASE none of these "Well I've played for 10 years, how does he.....", I mean he is awesome, he's like superman, but most of the time he plays like he's been exposed to krytonite
     
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    I still think some junior competition would be of benefit for him.

    the weight of shot is different, height of the bounce, strategies, everything.

    as I understand it, you're a very good player, so you are probably only hitting with your son at a percentage of your capacity most of the time. It might help him to be out there against players with less outright skill that are at least trying.

    In addition, you probably anticipate his shots very well and comfortably absorb his maximum pace balls. This isn't actually helping him as he doesn't realise those balls can be winners at his level. (just not at yours)

    (I have a 13 year old son with a national ranking, massive talent and no confidence or resilience (ie, if he starts to lose, it's all over), this is the situation I have been dealing with, so I am not just talking out of, well, you know...)
     
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    That's interesting. Yea clearly he doesn't "Bring it", when he plays against me, but he's different against strangers, like he wakes up. I was going to wait on USTA tourneys until he got more consistant, but maybe your right, let him go out and see what happens.

    One thing that is interesting, is that yea I tap the ball to him, but when I slam it at him it forces him to concentrate, for example he can get to my serve sometimes which I never thought he could. This tells me hard shots force him to concentrate.

    That's interesting about your son, did you train him? Or partly train him?
     
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    One thing about competition. In case you didn't know, he played last year on the Tennis team, worked up to first string singles varsity, got killed. Played two USTA tourneys, got killed. He doesn't get down when behind, he can really keep his cool, unlike his old man! I'm a, even today, highly nervous, yelling Mac type player. I told him to imitate Federer, his hero and not show any emotion, and he does! He makes a great shot, just turns around like it's no big deal, loses a shot shows no emotion, it's pretty cool. He has alot more courage than I do.

    He has a hard time with soft shots, I theorize that it gives him too much time to think.
     
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    It's all very normal for 12 really. It would be more odd if he were not this way. They seem to have it one day and not the next. They have little concept of time or effort or investment. Mostly their brains are still developing.
     
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    no, I don't coach him, I just hit with him for practice, never comment, maybe mutter the odd "good shot" or perhaps "what was that??"

    his coach and I are very good friends, dubs partners too, so I am in a good position, I am in touch with his training without being the person responsible for it.

    (I coach at the same club, so I make sure I am on some other court, preferably a distance away!)
     
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    I think that's probably right. I can tell before he hits a shot if it's going to be good or terrible, simply by observing his movement, following the ball with his eye, I can just tell.

    But yea, no one plays 100% all the time, and you are right, it's weird, at 12 he's half baby and half teenager!
     
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    Yes, I'm sure that's part of it. The predictability of hitting with and playing someone you've played a lot. Especially when it's in a practice setting.

    Variety is a great motivator. Viewing everything as an experiment is good, I think. Trial and error is a great teacher.

    :)

    One of those days. They will happen. It's a really hard problem of how to minimize them. Even pros have problems with this. The very best have found a winning recipe and have developed the mental toughness to stick with it. Part of this is innate. But a significant part of mental toughness can be taught, or learned anyway (even if not specifically taught).

    Mental toughness is the single most important skill in any endeavor. It's a trait that all relatively successful people in any field share.

    haha :) ... well, anyway, I'm convinced that he has lots of potential to be an extremely proficient tennis player, or anything else he might choose to pursue.
     
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    Well, yeah, he is just 12. At this age most of us were still mostly little kids, with (much smaller) parts budding teenager and budding adult mixed in.

    You mentioned in a previous post that he has exhibited good control over his emotions after doing well (eg., not showboating or excessively celebrating after hitting a particularly good shot). A positive sign that he is learning to handle things in a mature way.
     
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