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  1. tennis ratchet

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    don't know your circumstances but cameras are really cheap, you don't need to buy some professional quality one, just a regular camera for a few bucks. it can be a good training tool, esp. for the serve! also don't be so defensive, i think people are just trying to help.
     
  2. Mick3391

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    A few bucks? Where? I'm thinking they are $400-$500, maybe I should look around.

    I'm not defensive, I like every single person on this thread and value their opinion, I just get pissed off that a psycho stalker would follow me to my sons thread, I mean how do these people exist?
     
  3. slowfox

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    Most smart phones have a camcorder already... :)
     
  4. Ashley D

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    If you're referring to me, I'm no stalker. I just happen to think most of what you write is rubbish. If you put it out there in a public space such as this, I'm allowed to respond to it. And this is not your sons thread. It's clearly your thread. I would never give out as much info as you have done about my children on the internet where anyone can access it. How does your son feel about "his" diary. I bet he doesn't even know it exists. I hope he doesn't.
     
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  5. Mike2228

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    I just got a GoPro Hero 3 White plus all necessary cables and memory cards and tripods for around $325.
     
  6. tennis ratchet

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    gopro is a pretty rad set up, i'm more familiar with it from skiing and biking, but i don't see whats wrong with a decent point and shoot. seems like thats what most people use when shooting themselves playing tennis, mine is about 8 years old and works fine. no reason to go overboard, i'm guessing mike2228 has reasons for getting such a sweet rig.
     
  7. rkelley

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    OK. Sorry.

    I understand what you mean about overly spiny, fluffy shots and juniors not being able to volley if their lives depended on it. I've seen it. I just that when I hear you talk about hitting flat a lot and generally dismissing the modern game it sounds like maybe it's gone too far the other way, but I guess I'm just misunderstanding.
     
  8. Mick3391

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    What about something like this?

    http://www.amazon.com/Veho-VCC-003-...8&qid=1363057117&sr=8-7&keywords=video+camera
     
  9. Mick3391

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    Mine does but you can't see the ball. The shudder speed has to be faster.
     
  10. Mick3391

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    Get off my thread psyco! Yea it's not good with people like you on it, coming in with your vileness on my sons diary.

    I'm well aware you don't like what I write, you stalk me all over this forum solely to point it out. Why don't you get a life or do something productive?
     
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    Point taken. You won't hear from me again. Happy Poasting. :)
     
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    If you have been following Mick's posts from the beginning, he said he was out of touch with the game for a long time and has recently returned. He started by being hugely opinionated that modern racquets like Babolat were horrible and that good players should be playing a small players frame like a 90. That was until he actually got some playing time under his belt. Now, he has suddenly got religion and is playing a Pure Drive if I remember.

    I predict his learning curve will be the same for young Mick jr. It is easy to say you are going to develop an all court game and crush all these 1-dimensional baseliners. You may even get away with it in the small pond of your middle school team or local park. Once you start playing any reasonable level USTA players you are going to get your butt handed to you.

    It may take a couple of years but I expect that Mick will see the light, just like he did with racquets. If you attend many USTA tournaments you see that the all-court game isn't what wins. Most kids are going to have a limited amount of time to devote to tennis. They just don't have thousands of hours to devote to developing an all court game on top of the thousands it takes to develop a winning baseline game.

    I don't care what Pete Sampras said 15-years ago. A good USTA player with a western grip, poly strung Pure Drive and huge forehand is going to be licking their chops when they see someone come to the net.
     
  13. Mick3391

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    Pete said that recently! Thing is I have played some terrific players and jobbed them. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think demonstrably you are wrong, Tsonga, Federer, all do well playing the style I play and teach, and so far it's working well for Mick! Heh, worst case scenerio he'll know all of tennis unlike most people.

    I'm getting a camera, when I do you'll change your tune:)

    You are right about the racquets though! The Babs in particular really impress me.
     
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    No biggie, yea sometimes just catching one part, plus it's hard communicating email.

    It's simple, I want him to know how to play at all areas. We spend hours upon hours practicing, and yea right now he's very aggressive, he stands near the baseline, and when appropriate come in mid court, net, just goes for winners.

    Later we'll go back to spending time with the baseline rallies, but yea he befuddles baseliners, gives them headaches and confuses them.

    Anyways, lot's of fun!
     
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    What NTRP level would you say your son is at?
     
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    I think there’s a balance here. I agree with you that you have to have the big shots from the baseline and be able to keep those balls in and move them around to be successful today. If you try to come in on weak or even just OK shots you’re going to get your head ripped off. But I don’t agree that there isn’t a place for some all court play. There are definitely times when you have sufficiently hurt your opponent that the easiest shot is to come in and volley off a winner rather than standing back, letting the ball bounce and giving your opponent time to recover. That time component and not allowing your opponent to get back into the point on the volley is huge because the volley doesn’t have to be a John McEnroe work of art. Just stick your racquet out and volley to the open court.
     
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    SundayPunch is right. Mick came out swinging, bagging the absolute crap through everyone who used a Bab and stayed on the baseline. I mean really had a go at them. Called them fools and baseline robots. He said babs were "helper racquets" that generated "automatic spin over the net" (!?). Now he's using one. He originally said his playing level was 6.0, after having a long time away from the game and that 5.5s were "cake". Now he's dropped his own rating to 5.5. Conclusion? He doesn't really know what the hell he's talking about. Which is fine, most of us don't! And I'm sure he's trying his best with his son. I just think he should show a little more respect and humility. It says something that this thread has a 2 star rating.
     
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    I have two girls that have played USTA for a few years. Like you, I had no experience attending these tournaments yet thought I knew what would work. We started with a Federer-worshiping old school coach who had good intentions but no experience with USTA kids for 10+ years. After a couple of years working on linear strokes and a classic game, it was pretty obvious that we needed to change.

    We switched to a new coach about 6-months ago who simplified their gameplan and got them hitting modern strokes with an open stance and more topspin. Both of them showed better results almost immediately. Each of them have improved more in the past 6-months than they did in 2+ years previously.

    Staying at the baseline and swinging hard until you get a short ball works. I could go on with more details but I think you get the point.

    I can attest that what happens at the local park is fun but, in the big picture, meaningless. My 12-yo is a local phenom that can beat all of the kids on our HS team and many adults. In USTA play she hasn't won a tournament and loses 1&1 or similar more often than she would like.

    I wish you luck with your son. You won't have me convinced that he will be successful with an all court strategy until he starts using this successfully in USTA play. I'm sure it can be done but I have yet to see it.
     
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    Thanks for the input. Yea when I say "All Court", I am talking Tsonga, Federer, etc.

    You may be right, but I don't think so based on experience. I ordered a camcorder, so soon you will be able to see with your eyes.
     
  20. TomT

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    I think this one is worth trying. Get it new with warranty so if you don't like it you can get a full refund. I like that it has a rechargeable battery. But it only records at 25 fps. So there are some tradeoffs. You will probably need to get at least an 8 GB memory card or two. Not sure what these cameras can handle. One ad said 16 GB card, another said 8 GB card. No problem either way.
     
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    Continued......Played Mick with my torn Ligament and strap on cast, idiot.

    Mick couldn't play at all. All I could do was hit, not move, only walk. I beat him 6-3, 6-1, 6-0, it was AWEFUL. I mean it was like he never played before, can't figure it out.

    Today he had a fever, red eyes, headache, but even sick I would think he could play.
     
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    Good news is after he almost cried, he was so disappointed how he played, showed he has heart for this.
     
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    Hey Mick,
    really interesting progress with your son. I wish you the best of luck!

    Also, if you don't mind spending slightly more for a camera from the one you posted above, the Kodak Playfull should be rather useful; shoots HD, and can be slowed down to half-speed with very good quality.

    http://www.amazon.com/Kodak-PlayFull-Video-Camera-BlueBlack/dp/B004FLL5AO/
     
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    Thanks, yea I thought about it, I want a good one. They have one I found that allows you to do slow motion replay, which is helpful for this.

    Yea, I wish I could nail down what it is with my son, I mean we are the SAME, that is we think the same thoughts, finish each others sentences, I'll be thinking something and he'll say it, but when it comes to tennis I simply can't figure out if he's stressed when he does bad, you know some do bad and kind of give up.

    I tell him "Don't think of the points, just pretend like we are practicing". I just bought him a book, haven't reviewed it yet, but it's something like "50 mental tactics to win in tennis", I know it talks about things like how if say you are way behind, to just keep playing your game, the other guy is thinking "Can I keep this lead", and turn it around. But yea yesterday was a DISASTER.

    I told him "I have one leg, you will destroy me", if it was me when I was younger, I might think "If I can't beat a one legged guy then.......", then that fear makes you lose. I personally believe Tennis is all mental ultimately.

    Anyways, I know he can play good, so it's a matter of getting him consistent, then improving his play in a consistent way.
     
  25. Mick3391

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    The one I got, TomT said the shudder speed was too slow. Have you used this one? I want to be able to see the tennis ball.
     
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    Got it a week ago, wasn't able to get more than a minute of footage, but it looks workable. Next time I'm hitting I'll give it a good run and show you the result.
     
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    Please, I'd really appreciate that. I hate wasting money.
     
  28. TomT

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    So you got one. Ok, so do a few vids. If you don't like the results you can always return it for a refund. That Kodak one that psv255 mentioned looks like it would be worth trying also. Make some vids with the one you have, then return it and try out the Kodak one. Just a suggestion.

    By the way, you can still see the ball at 25 fps. It's basically the same as 30 fps for casual viewing. You just can't analyze strokes as well as you can with a 60 or 120 fps camcorder. One other thing, I wouldn't pay extra for a camera being able to record and/or playback in slow motion. You can always do that sort of stuff to the raw video with free computer software, eg., Windows Movie Maker. There's lots of really good and free video processing programs available for download via CNET
    ( http://download.cnet.com/windows/).
     
  29. TomT

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    You're supposed to rest the injury.

    Sounds like you both need some rest.
     
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    Ummm.... okay... :-?
     
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    Come on please, please don't correct every word I write so I have to waste space correcting it. YESTERDAY he played terrible, seemed well. TODAY he woke up with a small fever, red eyes, etc.

    Thanks.
     
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    You've got no clue do you. It's the sentimemt he thinks is weird. He wasn't correcting any words.
     
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    What's weird about it? It's a common figure of speech. He was saying that even if his son played when sick he would have expected him to play better than he did when he was, apparently, not sick (the day before he actually got sick, when he played uncharacteristically poorly).

    The two above quoted responses to what Mick wrote suggest to me that the posters are assuming that Mick is saying he'd make his son play while sick. Which is not what I take from what Mick wrote, because it's not what he wrote. It's just something that the two quoted posters seem to be, via innuendo, implying. Why? Is it perhaps that Mick's sometimes blunt, in your face, and opinionated posts rub them the wrong way? Ok, so the guy's got an ego. Uh oh, lets call 60 Minutes.

    I think kids are, in many ways, babied too much these days. My Mom and Dad were both cigarette smokers ... to such an extent that our living room had it's own weather system. Perpetually cloudy. One could barely see the light of the 9 inch circular RCA television screen peeking through from across the room. My grandfather quit school at 13 to go to work full time to help support the family when his father died. We've all worked and played when sick. It's healthy to get sick a few times a year. So lets give the OP the benefit of the doubt here before making disparagingly sarcastic comments about what we assume (incorrectly in this case, I think) his attitude (or "sentiment") about something is. Ok?

    (And just like that, TomT put yet another wavering thread back on course.)

    I can't wait to see the videos! But Mick, I hope we aren't going to see you out there limping around ... doing further, unnecessary, damage to an already busted leg.
     
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    Thanks Tom, yea every forum has people who only join to find trouble, but on my sons forum? I like a good debate, but there's a few who just stalk and try to correct everything, they are "perfect", enjoy putting people down. Anyways, I don't care except it ruins the diary.

    In regards to limping, I saw a doctor yesterday who said I needed a MRI and probably surgery. I don't want that, so yesterday I took some desperate measures.

    My younger brother is into all of these alternate cures. So last night I tried some DMSO, you research it yourself, give me your scientific view. I will say this, I experimented on my elbow last night that hurts 24/7 and the pain went away, so today I'm trying it on my knee. My thinking is that if I can get the swelling down, perhaps it will start to heal.

    Don't listen to the nonsense about it or extravagant claims. Heh, they use it on animals for swollen limbs and sprains.

    Either way I will give you a good show, I just can't stop playing, I'm like your generation, sick? In pain? Play anyways, call it tough or stupid:)
     
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    I think this is a bad course of action for you to take Mick, when what's indicated is that you need to rest the leg. No running and certainly no tennis playing.

    Yes, DMSO is used as a topical analgesic and swelling reducer among other things, but it has side effects and has been insufficiently researched. The swelling will go down if you just don't stress the injured part, and you can get safer pain relief.

    But if you want to take a chance on smelling bad and possibly doing irreparable damage to yourself, then go ahead and use it and run around on your busted leg.

    We do lots of things to animals that we wouldn't do to human beings. The full range of DMSO's effects and possible side effects is unknown. But, sure, you can be a smelly guinea pig if you want. :eek: :mrgreen:

    I'd rather you take proper care of your injury. You can give us a good show next year. Be patient. For now you can get videos of you coaching Mick, standing in one place feeding him balls, offering encouragement, constructive criticism, etc., and, primarily, Mick's playing.

    Yes, you can, and should ... for as long as it takes your injury to heal.

    It's good to be tough, but smart beats tough in most every case, especially in this one I think. Maybe the real measure of toughness is disregarding the itch to play, and patiently enduring the healing period.

    Anyway, however you decide to proceed, looking forward to videos of Mick Jr.'s tennis playing.
     
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    Pretty close.
     
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    Got to try the Kodak Playfull out today in 1080p HD, looking decent.
    Pardon the shaky picture, I didn't have a tripod with me, and it was windy.
    While the camera does not have a slo-mo feature, there is an HD 60fps feature whose source files can be slowed down with any simple video editor, as TomT pointed out.
    Also, keep in mind: the camera does NOT come with an SD card, but anything 8GB+ will do nicely (cost only $8-$12 nowadays).

    That said, I was impressed with the quality, considering the camera itself is well below a hundred dollars. I'd recommend getting a tripod, but as you'll see, a spare cap or a plastic bag will do :)

    Link: http://youtu.be/SVRgZI-YebQ
     
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    Extremely nice of you!
     
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    get out of here!

    with your smooth, technical strokes and your easy footwork, you don't belong!!

    :)
     
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    Glad to help!

    Were you somehow redirected here? :)
     
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    LOL!!!!

    + 10 not quite that smooths
     
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    I was standing about 3 feet to the right of where that video was shot.
     
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    Woah. I can see myself in that video! Pretty cool. I'm on the opposite side just off dead center. Never thought I'd be in the same vid as Fed.
     
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    even cooler the fact that you were able to watch from that perspective.. best vantage point for tennis viewing
     
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    Wouldn't it be better to put the resolution to 720 and get 60fps?

    I noticed in your video that the ball KIND OF disappeared, I'm wondering how it would do over the net?

    Normally I wouldn't be so concerned, but I don't want to mess up.
     
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    You're right, 720p and 60fps would be optimal for tennis (or any fast-paced sport really). I'll try that out tomorrow, and, again, post the results.
    About the ball disappearing (during the serves?), it seems the left half of the video is markedly more fuzzy than the right; normally, 720p should be more than enough to pick up the ball on the other side. I think the lens fogged up since the temp was in the 30s, probably 25 with wind. I don't think that you'll be playing in those types of conditions very often! (at least, I hope not)
     
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    Considering the mounting limitations and the wind, it looked real good to me. That was at 1080p and 30 fps? Yes, it would be interesting to see if there's any improvement at 720p and 60 fps.

    Nice strokes and serve. I gave you a thumbs up and subscribed. Maybe I'll learn something. Especially re your serve, which I like and have been experimenting with higher toss, knee and waist bend, pause at trophy position. Doing all that requires a lot more energy than my usual, very casual, way of serving. But I think that it would enable me to get a lot more pop on the serve.

    I thought it was a pretty clear video. Still waiting for some vids of young Mick, Mick. :)

    Anyway, how can you mess up? You can't mess up. Just make some vids with the camera you have now, then return it and get the one that psv255 has and check that one out, as it seems to be a better deal for the money.

    Ok, I paid closer attention to the serving part of the vid and I see what you and Mick are talking about now. I don't really understand how all this stuff works. I'm using a cheapo camera at 30fps and the ball is clearly visible as it strikes the back fence. Hmmm. Maybe your serves are enough faster than mine that at 30 fps the ball gets lost in the distance? But I don't think so because the standard for motion pictures was only 24 fps until fairly recently if I'm not mistaken. So 30fps should be plenty fast enough.
     
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    Thanks. It's difficult to incorporate more body into the serve because the timing gets screwed up each time you add on, which is frustrating but part of the grand old learning process...will definitely yield results, though.

    It's not the serve speed; if you notice during the serving part, the mesh grid of the net is much more clearly defined on the right than the left. This has to do with how focused the lens are. Of course, the camera may have some motion tracking I'm not aware of, and focuses solely on the the primary object (in this case me serving), but it seems more like it fogged up due to the cold. In any case, the ball should not disappear. (doesn't help that the court is a pale green color)
     
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    By the way, this is very kind of you.

    What I meant is that when you look at you hitting the wall, the ball doesn't disappear per se, but I can see it disappearing on the other side of the net like my cell phone.

    I want Tom to see my pin point right on the line shots!!!!!!
     
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    I don't like to use then return, don't think that's fair to them.

    You are using 30fps? I'm not going to worry about it, can see yours well.
     
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