Microsoft vs. Apple

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  1. Hot Sauce

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    I heard somewhere that the majority of computer users right now are using Apples. Is this true?

    Edit: Forgot to mention that the person told me this was for laptops.
     
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  2. cadfael_tex

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    Simplest Answer: No.

    The vast majority of the computing world is PC. That being said I switched to Macs about 7 years ago and have been happy with the simplicity and stability. (So they should ;) )
     
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  3. No way in heck.
     
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  4. Fedfan4life

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    He probably meant the majority is Microsoft not Apple. Though if you look at the numbers, Apple tripled its market share in the last quarter. Go Steve Jobs!!!
     
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  5. so...are they up to 9% now? Seriously in total the PC market still dominates...I use both OSX and Windows and think both are fine (but I'm still on XP not vista), but I don't dig the mac snobbery from most of the users. But Apple in no way even approaches MS's numbers...
     
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    Are you running in parallels or different machine? Apple will obviously not get to MS's dominance i think ever. I'm happy with their growth but disappointed about the fact that Apple's market tripled and best quarter of the company's history then the company stock value tanked from 200 to 130.
     
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    Love my minimac! I think the big news is that Apple's COMPUTER sales doubled over the last year. With good reason! Excellent stuff and worth the extra money.
     
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  8. yodudedudeyo

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    at my university, if you look at everyone's laptops during class, it's pretty evenly split, 50-50 macs and pc. actually, macs might have an edge in terms of numbers at college
     
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    Maybe you mean majority of mac users uses windows for their operating system?
     
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    Don't think that's it.
     
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    Careful what you say, movdqa might crawl in here and spew his Mac rules all propaganda. :shock:
     
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  12. yodudedudeyo

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    i do like how macs can boot up in about 4 seconds though...my windows xp laptop takes about 3 minutes to boot up...
     
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    Try the "Hybernate" function instead of "Shutdown" on the Windows. It takes only a few seconds to get the computer started.
     
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    How are standby and hibernate really any different besides the fact that you dont use any power with hibernate? Also, sometimes when i do standby and put my laptop in my bag, later to start it up again and find that my machine is frozen. Why is this? I mean, in standby arnt the harddrives supposed to be off? so why would this freeze occur?
     
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    My brother told me that his prof told the class that there are more Apple users than Microsoft users as far as laptops go. I forgot to mention this, but the question is only limited to laptops.
     
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    No but I wish it were true. Microsoft is truly one of the WORST corporations in the world. Everything they do is substandard (their email, game system, you name it). They make their money by stealing from others PS2 Apple etc and then using monopolistic tactics to maintain market share.

    The government should not let them takeover Yahoo. For years they have been trying to get Yahoo to charge for email so they could charge too.
     
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  17. DrewRafter8

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    Yeah, I've converted to my Inotebook. It's absolutely brilliant compared to my wife's crappy hp notebook.
     
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    Macs take a few seconds to start ... that's what awesome about them. Microsoft still dominate though with the computers.
     
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    44 billion is chump change for Microsoft buying Yahoo. Their just very wary that Google is getting too much power. Dissappointing that Google didn't win the Spectrum auction. Oh well, I'll just move to Mountain View for free wifi.
     
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    Man, you're getting some really really bad information.
     
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    Thought so. Does anyone have any statistical information that I could tell my brother to disprove him?
     
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  22. yodudedudeyo

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    a simple 'you're stupid' will be all the evidence you need
     
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    Mac is just a brand name for suckers. Mac doesn't make the motherboard, the processor, the memory or anything else that is inside the "Apple" box that you pay a hefty premium for.

    I would only switch to mac when I can buy all its parts and put it together the way I want it. Until then I'll stick with my PC. Also there is not enough software for mac.

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  24. matchpoint

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    Macs are just another PC clone like Dell & Compaq BUT they're the most expensive. :mrgreen:
     
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    One problem with calling it a clone or just a PC for suckers - totally different operating system.

    BTW, IBM doesn't even make the 'PC' any more so 'clone' went out with the PC-AT about two decades ago.
     
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    So why do they use Windows, Outlook, Explorer, Office do you want some more?
     
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    not even close. im pretty sure for personal use, the number of people using mac osx has increased in the last couple of years, but i would be surprised if its market share was great than 15%. if you take into account business use (and most major corporations use laptops nowadays) its not even close as dell, hp, and lenovo control those markets and they all use some form of windows.
     
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    One out of 4 ain't bad, I guess. Office is still used (although there are alternatives) and you can now dual boot into windows (but don't know why you'd want to). But not outlook and explorer. Those aren't even the best on the PC (thunderbird and firefox).
     
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    Here is some data that shows how meager Mac's share is:

    "With Mac shipments rising from 655,000 to 760,000 year-over-year for the second quarter, Apple’s U.S. market jumped from 4.4 percent in 2005 to 4.8 percent in 2006 — a double-digital growth of 16 percent, according to market research firm IDC."

    If you segment the market (e.g., home use, education, business) I think you'll find that PCs dominate in business and at home. I'm not surprised that many of you who are still in school see a lot of Macs.

    I use both: PC at work and Macs at home and have done so since I bought my first Mac in 1983. I like elements of both systems. The biggest difference is that I never have to maintain my Mac, but my PC is always running into problems and needs constant attention.
     
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    I never said that Mac rules all so yes, you are telling a lie.

    That said, I just bought a MacBook Pro for our son as he needs a unix environment for school and I didn't feel like installing and maintaining a Linux system. I'm waiting for Apple to release their Penryn-based MacBook Pros to get one for myself for both Mac OSX and Windows development.
     
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    It appears that Apple sells into market segments where it can make given margins. MacMinis start at $600 without a KVM. I bought a nicely equipped PC for $489 with an E4600 and 20 inch LCD monitor. You could probably buy a low-end PC without a monitor for quite a bit less. The MacBooks start at $1099 while someone at the office asked me about a $399 notebook from Dell a few days ago. So PCs have a bigger target market as they include those with thinner wallets. PC and chip sales have been remarkably robust despite the economic downturn as a result of the subprime mortgage bubble bursting.

    Apple should be able to ride a nice technology wave this year with new chips from Intel, solid-state flash drives, new wireless options and their own innovative technologies.
     
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    Standby keeps memory powered and puts the processor into the lowest power state. So it still consumes a small amount of power but it's in a state to come back to life with minimal effort to restart.

    Hibernate copies the contents of RAM to the hard disk and then powers everything down. When you restart, Windows loads RAM from the copy of memory on the disk which takes longer than standby but should be faster than booting up. Obviously the amount of time coming back from hibernate is related to the amount of RAM that you have and the performance characteristics of the hard drive.

    Third-Party applications have to play well with standby and hibernate for it to work and sometimes you have some software with bugs that don't play well with these shutdown options. So sometimes standby wakes up immediately, or the computer won't come out of standby or the monitor won't come on or USB devices won't be seen.

    The Mac also has standby mode. For those that don't want to wait the four seconds.
     
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    Here are the marketshare numbers. The professor sounds like he's talking about current users which would include cumulative sales minus systems no longer in use. But marketshare should be a reasonable proxy to show that the professor is incorrect.

    http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/10/11/report-apple-gains-29-share-of-notebooks/
     
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    I'm the one telling a lie huh? Judging from previous experience, I'd say you are the one full of BS. See below for further details, have a nice day.

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    Yes, you're the one telling a lie.


    > And just when I thought you would stay quiet so we can end this thread
    > in a peaceful matter.... you had come out of the bushes and spew your
    > BS and **** me off again. Why do you insist on running around in
    > circles? I counter your point, you say "prove it". I prove it, you say
    > "prove it"... round and round we go, are you having fun?

    Perhaps you could ask yourself your question. And then you could ask
    yourself why you don't have the self-control to follow-through on what
    you've said that you would do:

    > You can reply and post random semi-related links all day, I wont
    > bother replying to them anymore because I've counter posted almost
    > everything you said and you just come back with "ad hominem".

    >> It isn't hocus pocus. All you have to do is learn modern reasoning.The
    >> book that I suggested earlier provides a good start.
    > Posting articles non-related to topic at hand isnt
    > reasoning. Especially when they support your biased opinions.

    Actually it is. You'll find it in Introduction to Logic by Copi. Or
    An Essay Concerning Human Understanding by John Locke.

    >> Simplicity usually implies brevity.
    > Yet another one of your useless comments, nothing to follow through
    > with but your philosophical banter.

    At least you're getting shorter with your insults.

    >> I never said this. Please state where I said that I need to maintain
    >> my PC 48 hours a week.
    > How many times have I asked you if you spent NOTORIOUS amounts of time
    > maintaining your PC?

    I give up. How many times did you ask? Did I respond with the amount
    of time that I personally spend? Or did I post articles on studies on
    the maintenance costs of PCs vs Macs? I don't recall posting any time
    figures on maintenance costs of PCs or Macs.

    > How many times have you admitted it yourself?

    I posted no time measures so I guess your answer is zero.

    > You EXAGGERATED, so did I. Learn to put 2 and 2 together.

    I didn't exxagerate. You picked a number out of your hat.

    >> I don't spend 48 hours a week nor 15 hours a day maintaining my PCs.
    > So NOW you deny spending time on maintaining your PCs? Or do you admit
    > that you were exaggerating? When previously stating that you DO, you
    > didnt DENY anything but instead said: "Oh now you admit PCs take tons
    > of maintenance time?" Hypocrisy at its best.

    Have you stopped beating your wife?

    If you drew a Venn Diagram with data points of spending 28 hours a week
    maintaining PCs, spending 15 hours a day maintaining PCs and spending
    zero hours on maintaining PCs, I think that you'd find that there were
    potential cases outside your trinary conundrum.

    >> I've provided article after article on the maintenance costs of PCs
    >> based on surveys of IT professionals. You've provided only your
    >> personal opinion.
    > Let me say this again - I never denied PCs require more maintenance
    > than Macs, get that through your very thick skull and skin for that
    > matter. That has NOTHING to do with the fact that you are clearly
    > biased.. Read post #60.

    Your statement is false on its face. If I were biased, I wouldn't have
    only 2 Macs and 8 PCs. As I've often stated, I pick the best hardware
    and software for the intended purpose.

    >> PCs are the default.
    > Good comment there. :roll:

    Thanks.

    >> Strawman. Please state where I said that "Windows blows
    >> chunks". Windows does have higher maintenance costs - documented
    >> several times. I don't own a Mac Pro so you're wrong there.
    > Once again you fail to understand my point. Have you said anything
    > GOOD about Windows? No. You've done nothing to say how terrible it
    > is.

    You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

    > Which one can say, that you think it sucks, i.e. blows chunks. Dont
    > play word games with me now, grow up. Oh, you own a MacBOOK Pro. I'm
    > sorry :roll:

    I own 8 Windows systems. My latest purchase was a Dell Vostro. If I
    thought that "Windows blows chunks", I wouldn't have such a high ratio
    of Windows machines to Macs nor would my last machine be a Windows
    machine. If you walked up to someone on the street and they made a
    case for the MacBook Pro but had 8 Windows desktops, do you think that
    they'd prefer Mac/OSX or Windows? Now I stated that I have a copy of
    Windows running on the MacBook Pro. And I explained the different ways
    that one could install Windows on a MacBook Pro to coexist with Mac
    OSX. If I thought that Windows was really that bad, why would I have
    bothered to do that?

    >> As I wrote before, you said that there were only two types of users. I
    >> contradicted that. That you cannot see this implies a gross defect in
    >> reasoning.
    > You contradicted that by agreeing that your wife is one of the users?
    > Mac user = specialist user (i.e. one who knows what hes doing) or
    > "dumb" user. You along with your "world-class engineers" the former,
    > the wife the latter. How is that "defect" in reasoning?

    You said that there were only two types of users. Here's one of them.

    >>> People who either know what they are doing and need a professional
    >>> platform for graphic/audio work.

    Note your conjunction.

    There are more than two types. That's pretty simple, isn't it? Your
    statement says that one of the types requires one to need a
    professional platform for graphics/audio work. There are many out
    there that need a platform for engineering work that don't fall into
    either of your categories.

    >> I demonstrated that they are for more than two types of people. Simple
    >> logic.
    > What other types? Apart from specialist and "dumb" which pretty much
    > cover everything? Unless you use your Mac as a toaster? Do tell us.

    You are apparently changing your position from what you originally
    wrote. Is this an admission that what you previously wrote is
    incorrect?

    >> It is a response to a personal attack. A personal attack is no
    >> argument. And that is why one replies Argumentum Ad Hominem. Because
    >> the other person said nothing.
    > Funny how you seem to think your "clever" insulting isnt insulting.
    > Calling someone else an idiot is the same thing as saying they are
    > genetically incapable of being smart in this context. So stop playing
    > word games.

    Strawman.

    >> Why do you think Karl deletes posts withname-calling in them?
    > Exactly for the reason I said just 15 seconds ago. Insults are
    > insults. I just happen to be more blunt.

    So your earlier paranoid post was untrue?

    >> Non-responsive.
    > As expected.

    Non-responsive.

    >> "How much does it cost to maintain Windows and Mac OS X? Since Apple
    >> has released five times as many major updates and over fifteen times
    >> as many minor updates to Mac OS X since 2000, you might not have
    >> guessed that Windows actually costs users five times as much to keep
    >> up to date!
    > Interesting point when really my updates dont cost me a thing.

    My updates cost me time. And those mandatory ones which reboot your
    machine for you are really annoying. Read the whole article for the
    details on costs.

    >> Yes. This is what I indicated. I've done thousands of Windows
    >> installations and do know a little about the process.
    > Which would explain why it took you "hours" to remove the 100 programs
    > that came with your HP laptop.

    I work in software development. Part of software development is
    installation testing. You take a bunch of machines and engineers and
    run installation and validation of your products to clean up any
    installation problems. A lot of that has been automated today but
    in the old days, we did a lot of that by hand.

    >> No you can't. The hardware vendors provide drivers on the preinstalled
    >> image. If you install from a standalone Windows CD, you have to find
    >> and install the drivers yourself. This is what makes Apple's Boot Camp
    >> so nice. They automate the driver process for you.
    > Drivers are on the CD. Which means its there, that was my point. Not
    > that the whole process was automatic.

    Some drivers are on the Windows installation CD. Dell typically ships
    additional driver disks for hardware that doesn't come on the Windows
    CD. If you have new devices in your system, you might have to go to
    the vendor's website to find drivers.

    >> But you're still wrong about the Windows Repair Disk. If you only
    >> damage one or a few Windows OS files, you can use the Windows CD
    >> to do a repair installation. This just fixes the broken files.
    > Which goes back to your point that the Win recovery doesnt do its job
    > right? Didnt think so.

    You still don't understand how the Windows Repair installation works.
    The Windows Repair Installation is used for fixing a small number of
    files. This can be far faster than using a full image backup and
    rollforward.

    >> You don't have to reinstall all of your programs and
    >> restore your data from backup. As I wrote before, you don't seem to
    >> know what a repair install is.

    > Err.. sorry to burst your bubble once again but I already knew this. I
    > was assuming (to my fault) that we were talking about a full
    > format/restore.
     
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    The point that I originally made was that HP doesn't provide recover
    disks. They require you to make them. Even if you do make them, you
    can't do a Windows Repair Installation. If you want to recover, you
    have to recover from a full backup or a full backup + incremental
    restore.

    Dell provides the Windows CDs and CDs for the installation of
    additional software and drivers. And this is one of the reasons as to
    why I prefer Dell.

    > How am I not surprised. You couldn't list them because you didnt have
    > 100 or so programs as you said. You were clearly exaggerating, what
    > else is new.

    Simply one of your oft-repeated and untrue assertions.

    >> If you have proof of this, please provide it.
    > Grow up. If your computer really did come with 100 programs as you
    > STATED. List them and PROVE it. You made an OBNOXIOUS statement, and I
    > asked you to prove it. Now you are turning around and telling me to
    > prove that you DONT have it? Whats wrong with you... List the 100
    > programs and prove me wrong. Simple solution for you. Unless of course
    > you were exaggerating... uh oh. *

    Nothing wrong with me. You're just unreasonable.

    >> With HP, this is not possible. They do not provide the installation
    >> disks. This is why I recommend purchasing from Dell. You seem to have
    >> a hard time comprehending this simple matter.
    > Irrelevant. Now you divert the topic at hand and make another
    > irrelevant point about formatting when really Im asking you for a very
    > simple answer.

    You kept telling me that I didn't understand the situation regarding
    backup and now you call your point irrelevant?

    >> I think that tag belongs to you.
    > Says the "Worlds best programmer" or whatever you called yourself -
    > who cant replace a faulty PSU on his 18month old computer. Oh
    > dear... the irony.

    Please point out where I said that I'm the world's best programmer. I
    never made such a claim. Your assertion that I can't replace a faulty
    Power Supply is false.

    >> I think that you're referring to BigServer1. I've been very pleased
    >> with the quality of products from Dell.
    > No. It was you sorry. How convenient for you that that post containing
    > those exact words have been zapped. You did say those exact words, I'm
    > more than certain.

    Your posts were zapped. I don't think that my posts back there were
    zapped. At any rate, you should still have them in your email.

    >> That's right, you have to spend all your time building new systems.
    > Argumentum ad hominem.

    I wasn't making an argument.

    >> If you feel misquoted, please post what you actually wrote.
    > Not exactly possible when the posts have been erased is it?

    Then you shouldn't make the claim.

    >> No. I believe that I should be able to pick and choose my own hobbies
    >> and do what I enjoy doing and that I should be able to outsource
    >> everything else.
    > Exactly. So dont tell me to go and build an OS. Not everyone spends 30
    > years in the IT/computing business like you. Such arrogancy.

    So don't go telling me to build my own system. Funny that you can't see
    that point.

    >> Perhaps you can understand that others out there are not particular
    >> interested in spending their time building systems because they have
    >> other passions and things that they want to do in life.

    > *And perhaps you can understand that a PC based machine is absoutely
    > managable, even to the everyday user,

    There was a study done on the average time that a PC is online before
    getting hit with a network threat and the time period was quite short.
    So if you didn't have the correct updates, security software, etc.
    installed, your machine could get infected just by hooking it up to
    the internet. It helps to have a firewall but that doesn't help those
    that use dialup.

    We have an IT staff at work and they deal with viruses, spyware and
    all kinds of threats in addition to configuring systems and fixing
    hardware problems. Just about everyone, from time to time, requires
    a little help from the IT staff with their systems. And sometimes
    a lot of help is required. Particularly when systems get infected.

    > and that they dont necessarily have to build it if they dont wish to
    > do so. Most people in fact, dont!

    Yes, I stated this several times.

    > You even say you love your new Dell, but oh, Windows is terrible, it
    > costs so much to maintain and update.. What are you running on it if
    > may I ask?

    I didn't say that I love my new Dell. It meets the needs of its
    intended purpose.

    Please state where I said that Windows is terrible.

    I stated that maintenance costs were higher than Mac systems.

    I'm running Windows XP Home on the system.

    > The reason why I brought up this whole build your own PC topic, was
    > because you seem to claim you are the expert, and experts who want the
    > best (like you say you do) build their stuff, they dont buy it
    > pre-made for the mass commercial user (which you say you clearly
    > arent) How many more contradictions will you make on here?

    I purchased a Dell Vostro. Anyone familiar with Dell's product line
    would know that it is a low-end system. I buy systems to meet needs
    and I buy the best systems to meet those needs. That's about as
    unbiased as you can get. The contradictions are a figment of your
    imagination.

    > You claim you are not arrogant?
    > You claim you are not "I am a superior" Mac user?

    Please provide a basis for your assertations.

    >> So why do you continue posting here?
    > Continusouly slagging off PCs (admittedly mostly Microsoft and Vista)
    > Not saying one good thing about them, apart from YOUR OWN Dell?

    My own Dells. All six of them. I wrote that I'm happy with my HP laptop too.
    Not happy with the desktops though. That's about as unbiased as it comes.

    >> Even after I openly stated that they are more reliable and stable
    >> machines?
    > This is NOT a Mac VS PC thread. Get that through your head.

    What was the thread topic again? MacBook vs Windows machine.

    > And get that list of 100 programs that your HP came with... otherwise
    > dont bother replying because we will all find out that you were truly
    > exaggerating your claims, just like you do with half of your other
    > comments about the PC. Prove me wrong, please.*

    Non sequitur.

    >> I'm the best in the world at build 64-bit release versions of Windows
    >> Firefox and Thundebird.
    > Thank you for reassuring us.

    So you were wrong in your assertion.

    >> You seem to be rather argumentative despite how you portray yourself.
    > I'm not the type of person to give up especially when I know I'm
    > right. If that makes me argumentative, so be it...

    Interesting. You said that you were not going to post again but yet
    here you are posting again.

    >> The issues you bring up are really not issues at all.
    > Your exaggerating comments are issues, especially when they affect the
    > choices of others people that are perhaps not-so informed about PCs
    > and Macs.

    I think that the original poster would have done fine without your
    comments.

    >> Name-calling is a sign of disrespect to your fellow board-members.
    > Sorry fellow, I lost all respect for you once you started dodging your
    > own words so thats not really an issue anymore.

    It's a sign to of disrespect to all board-members.

    >> BTW, can't you even do what you're going to say that you're going to do?
    > Like I said (before it got deleted) this thread was to die in peace
    > until you came yapping here again trolling like you do... You
    > initiated my defense yet again, so here I am.

    No, that's not what you said. I can pull it back if you really want to
    read it again. At any rate, the longest thread in argumentation that I've
    been in lasted for about a year with thousands of posts.

    > *Once again, you cant even answer my question, you cant even come up
    > with the proof you need, to just end this rather distasteful
    > conversation. Just shows how unbelievable you really are. You know
    > you were wrong, yet you cant admit it... smoke and mirrors all the way
    > through. Thanks for proving my point once again. Much appreciated :)*

    You seem to think that I care about your questions.
     
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  37. Mister G

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    Which would explain why you bothered to start writing a novel in response to my post? Way to go! (I didnt even bother reading it by the way, not sure anyone else will) See you later Steve :)
     
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  38. WBF

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    tldr, please learn how to concisely state an argument.
     
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  39. swimntennis

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    I switched to Mac last Christmas and would never go back. Since then I've also bought two iPods and am looking to buy a Macbook for my next year of school. They really do just work.

    Also note the subliminal message I've been spreading through my avatar.

    ;)
     
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  40. movdqa

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    Wait for Penryn if you can. You get a five to ten percent performance boost, better battery life (I've read a lab test showing 55 minutes more battery life on the MacBook Pro at the same clock frequency), and the SSE4.1 instruction set. There are rumors that the new models will sport the multitouch interface too.
     
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  41. 35ft6

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    Personally, I'm paying for the OS. Not to mention Windows computers tend to look like junk whereas Apple computers actually beautiful my apartment.
     
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  42. swimntennis

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    I know; I'm an active reader and poster on MacRumors. I didn't know about that much increased battery life though. That sounds great. I wouldn't be buying until around Christmas 2008 either way.
     
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  43. max

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    Guys who like PC stuff are the same kind of guys who, a generation ago, would be working on their cars in the driveway all afternoon: they just enjoy getting into the mechanics of it all. Macs don't require that much user maintenance.

    Interesting to hear the one fellow above ejaculate the opinion that Macs copy PCs: the Apple personal computer came out well before the IBM PC.

    In the end, it's anyone's choice. I'm just glad my mac doesn't crash as much as my PC did, and it's not so easy to get screwed up with viruses, etc.
     
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  44. nickb

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    Those who complain about PC's crashing, getting virus's etc just dont know how to use and maintain them properly...
     
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  45. movdqa

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    Probably true.

    But a lot of people don't care to do maintenance.
     
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  46. cadfael_tex

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    Especially if you don't have to or the computer takes care of alot of it for you. By the time I update windows, AVG, a couple of spyware cleaners, zone alarm, and run ccleaner on my wife's computer I'm ready to go back and do some worry free surfing on my mac.
     
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  47. Morpheus

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    That's the point. You don't have to spend much effort to maintain a Mac.
     
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  48. Feña14

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    Yeah they are alot more user friendly in general too. I have a far easier time setting up my Mac to a wireless network than I do windows based machines.
     
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  49. Hot Sauce

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  50. yodudedudeyo

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    man..i reallllllly wish my laptop (windows xp) had the ability to boot up in 4 seconds and 6 hour battery life.
     
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