Midsize racket users

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  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    Well I am not just saying this, but when I demoed the PS 90 BLX it really did feel great. In my mind I was asking myself "where have you been this whole time?"

    Literally it just felt right and it kinda freaked me out, being a mid and Feds racket. It was like a revelation and I haven't hit a racket yet that has made me feel like that ever since. My hitting partner was using a Pure Drive and he was really surprised that I was using the PS 90 so easily. I could hit any shot I wanted practically. But, like I said, it was only in rallies and not a match. So I have been reluctant to give it a try. I don't know if I should ever buy a pair of rackets...I am not a chronic string breaker. I break strings but not often.
     
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    Mike, just curious, have you demo'd any other mids, other than the BPS90?
     
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  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    I have not. Why?
     
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  4. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Because there are a lot of other great mids.
    1) Prestige Mid
    2) Pro Kennex Black Ace 93, Redondo Mid (gorgeous paint is a plus! :) )
    3) Pacific Vaccum 90
    4) Dunlop 100 series
    5) Volkl 10 series
    Just to name a few

    Half of the people use the Wilson Tour 90 for the sake of the image: "I hit just like Federer" when they lack the footwork, timing, technique, strength. They have horrific hand-eye coordination and footwork, when they hit a shot, it looks like they're flopping in a soccer/NBA game. And when they lose, they tell people "oh yeah because there are certain shots I can't hit with a mid."

    BS!
    1) No one told you to use with a mid when it's beyond your capabilities.
    2) You can hit every shot with any racquet.
    3) 90 is hard to use. BS, people grew up with the 85 look at 90 as an oversize racquet.

    I always tell people to use the most demanding racquet they can find, whether it's the Pro Staff, Prestige Mid, etc. Midsize racquets reinforces good technique, timing, and footwork. It's something you can grow with. If the BLX Pro Staff Tour 90 feels natural to you, then by all means use it!
     
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  5. MikeHitsHard93

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    I think that I will probably demo the: Prestige Mid, PS90, Redondo mid, and one other. idk which other one though. And this will probably happen in the spring, seeing that I probably won't be able to take lessons this winter
     
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    PS90 is not a racket to get lazy with, but if you want to play a smooth game get yourself a pair of PS90s string em up with soft mains and poly crosses and enjoy the game. I know I am :)

    I played with all the mids except for the new 2013 Blades and one thing that stands out about Wilson's 90 tours since the nTour days is a crisp feel, big sweespot and solid upper loop stability. The 2012 PS90 is more forgiving due to lower swing weight, but is not quite as stable as previous versions. I like that because it lets me customize it to exactly the swing weight I want (I have 3g of lead on 3 and 9 and 1.5g on 12). I also like Wilson grip shape over other brands.

    IG prestige Mid is very good too but feels smaller and tighter pattern makes it less versatile IMO, plus I hate that oval head grip shape. It does have a great, smooth feel that is not too muted.

    Redondo mid is similar, but somewhat inferior to IG Prestige and badly needs some lead to be fully stable.
     
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  7. MikeHitsHard93

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    Maybe I will demo a midplus with these just to feel the difference and then actually play matches with them.
     
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    If you are intrigued by a mid, get a used, old, classic one first. I got a mint Yonex r-22 for US$5 on e**y, and it is fantastic. Old-skool weight and balance (hefty but head light) and feel (solid but flexible). I found another one (as well as a pair of r-27s, which my trainer friends say are also fantastic) for slightly higher, and would have gotten it as my regular sticks. However, I also got a beat-up POG OS at the same time for the same price and loved it even more. So I ended up with a pair of new OSs instead.
     
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  9. anirut

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    Thanks to Say Chi Sin Lo for answering the OP's question for me. :)

    Yes, there are many great mids out there and, IMO, it's best that you try (demo) a lot before spending the real money.

    In stock form:
    As much as I like feel of the PC600, I don't like the balance.
    As much as I like the versatility of the Redondo, it lacks pop.
    As much as I like swiftness of the Pacific 90, it requires precise hitting.
    As much as I like the precision of the Volkl Tour 10 VE mid, the power is in the negative range.

    and so on ...

    So, try a lot of them. Each stick has its + & -. Find the one that's "most balanced" for you. I'd suggest that you give the BB London Tour a try before deciding on anything else.

    Good luck.
     
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  10. MikeHitsHard93

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    Thank you sir!
     
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    I will look at what the bay has to offer, as well as the used section here on TW
     
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    Very large:lol:
    for a mid.
    The feel is IMO similar to the tour 90s but a tad muted.
    That's just my experience. YMMV:)
     
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    Muted how? Like Pure Drive muted? Or like exo3 muted?

    Do you like your PK or Prince more? Ever played a dunlop? Sorry if you stated that in a previous post...

    I have not been very fortunate with my dealings with the dunlop 300T, both the AG 4D and the Bio...so I am wondering how the 100 is in either one of those...
     
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    Muted as in mushy, but that could very well be the gut/poly feel i'm getting.
    I love both but the prince lets me access my whole game and i've only just broke it in. The PK is fantastic when i just want to bludgeon the ball down the line all day or when i'm volleying alot but the prince is better overall.

    None of the current ones but I have an old Dunlop Revelation Tour Pro that my coach gave me a couple years ago. It was the first racket, second overall, that really clicked and the feel was crisp.
     
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  15. MikeHitsHard93

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    There's nothing cheap on the bay...

    I may actually demo the new blade 93 as well. I like how the diablo is $99 lol.

    Is there any MP racket you can compare it to?
     
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    ^^^^
    The only midpluses i can compare it to that i've hit with are the YT Speed Pro and the K6.1 95 16/18.
     
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    Interesting...

    Well my dad asked me tonight what I am gonna do about my tennis class this winter...I'm pretty sure he knows how badly I want to do it.

    If I get into a tennis class I will make sure I demo these along with a couple midpluses that I've always wanted to try.
     
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    Most people don't actually realize this, but the stock PC600 is relatively head-heavy compared to most other traditional stick, not by much, but it's more head-heavy. Sort of like the kPS88 (I hated the balance of kPS88).

    The Redondo, well that's just pretty. I'd buy it just to hang it on the wall for decoration.

    Can't speak on the rest, haven't played with them.

    As far as MP playing like mids? There really isn't a lot of them. MP's are MP's, and mids are mids. But if I have to make one recommendation, it'll be the Dunlop 200 series

    - ~more or less the feel of a mid
    - Margin of errors and forgiveness of a MP

    I used the Hotmelt 200g when it came out, LOVED it. I only stopped using it because I discovered the i.Prestige Mid.
     
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    I have been looking at the 4D 200 tonight...

    I had a bad experience with the 4D 300T. It vibrated a TON and had no power or spin, however it was strung pretty tight with poly...tighter than it should have been. Would that racket have vibrated less if I strung it looser? I'm guessing the 200 would have even less vibration.
     
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  21. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I haven't tried the 300 since its first generation in the form of HM 300g. And it was a fine stick, just too light but none of that vibration you're referring to.
     
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    300T was the first racket I've ever thrown in my life, and I threw it over the fence lol. Does the Redondo really look that nice? Have you hit one?
     
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  23. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I don't dare to hit with the Redondo, it's too pretty. I'll kick a squirrel if I ever scratch it. Speaking of pretty, the new Dunlop Max 200g is another frame I'd buy just to hang it on the wall.
     
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    I picked up my first mids at various thrift shops or a used sports store in town. I don't think I paid much more than $10 for any of them. A POG 4 stripe, a few St Vincent Pro Staff 85s, a couple Kramer Staffs, a Mag Pro 90, PK Copper Ace 90, Wilson N90 (I think it was $15), a couple others that are somewhere in my overflowing closet... The more I find and play with the more I realize that I could play fine with just about any of them as long as I experimented a bit with strings.

    You have been asking about the Diablo for months. Demo it. It's cheap. Pick up a couple TW Holiday gift cards for 20% off and you can get two Diablos for $160.
     
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  25. MikeHitsHard93

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    Haha I'm gonna end up buying rackets for this reason as well.

    I think I am gonna try out the Redondo MP. Mid sounds like it has a super small sweetspot.
     
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  26. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Anytime you have an 18x20 pattern, the sweetspot is going to be smaller, but don't let that intimidate you.

    In a match, the sweetspot of a Prestige Mid is no smaller than other frames. As in, if you mishit with a Prestige Mid, you're going to mishit with another racquet. A lot of it is in your head.
     
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    The Redondo mid has such a small sweet spot. Very prestige mid-eske!

    -Fuji
     
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    BTW, Mike, I recently experimented my Redondo with a wierdo string preparation -- and it gave me a TON of pop and a very large sweet spot.

    What I did was I 'stretched' the whole 10+ meters of the Gosen OG Micro 16 to the extent that it was sorta dead. Not like the usual pre-stretch thing, but actually stretching really hard to kill the string. Then I strung it at 52 lbs. OMG! Why haven't I tried this earlier! God knows from where the power came, and this with the usual control.

    At first I didn't know how powerful it was, but it was really plush. I let my hitting partner try it just for the feel which then only I realized how powerful the string set up was. The balls came in heavier than his usual K90.

    Note: I didn't care how long the strings would last me as it's a cheap syn. But I think I really got much more than its worth.

    So, power is certainly not from the racket alone, but from the right string set up (and string preparation) too.

    (I think there may be too many factors for you to digest about your midsize curiosity by now.)
     
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    yeah. add just a little lead around the head. I suggest a touch of lead at the 12. and more than 3grams at the 12 and i would recommend some in the butt as well. but just add 1 and a half or so at the 12 to start out with, it will bump the SW up nicely, but will barley put on any more static wt, thus giving you a nice hammer.
     
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    Prince tour diablo mid. Switched not long ago and it is like playing with a MP because it is so forgiving. Serving feels so smooth and fluid.
     
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    Alright if I decide to purchase one then I will probably order it with lightning haha. Tbd
     
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    Yeah I think I'm definitely gonna have a go with the diablo mid. It sounds like everything I'm looking for. Will see.
     
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    I have actually done this before but I put about 6 grams lol. I didn't know what I was doing at the time...I don't have any more lead tape so I will order some in the near future.
     
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    Something about Prince, they almost always play super powerful for me. I don't know if it's the wide/circle head shape and the subsequent large sweetspot and open pattern, they always hit like rocket launchers for me.

    Diable mid included.
     
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    Well I mean I'm gonna have to demo it. I agree for the most part, as I have owned a few princes (tt warrior, o3 emerald, exo3 graphite).

    The tt warrior was always strung tight, so it never had a ton of power for me. The o3 emerald was a 110 sq in and 10oz so I had to string it at 62 with syn gut. The exo3 is the most powerful because of the SW and balance (2pts hl). That was my last racket and I hate it. I then moved to the pro open which had a ton more control and touch. Ever since the exo3 I have shyed away from prince rackets.
     
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