Miguel Cabrera!

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  1. acura9927

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    Anyone following the Detroit Tigers and Miguel Cabrea might win the triple crown? He is the most underrated player in baseball. Only seems like diehard fans know him. Go Miguel!
     
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  2. stringertom

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    Glad he has straightened his life out...his off-the-field troubles kept him in shackles from his HOF-type potential for a long time.
     
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    Hes not underrated at all. He got 153 million 4 or 5 years ago when he signed with Detroit so hows he underrated? He may be under publicized but no way hes underrated.
     
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  4. acura9927

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    The guy went undrafted in 1999, his stats are insanely consistent.
     
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    Is he any relation to MelkyCabrera? Former of the Giants?
     
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    I think Melky is still of the Giants. Just not 2012 Postseason Giants.

    But As far as I know there is no relation.

    I hope Miguel wins the Crown. Thats one less things for Red Sox fans to talk about :)

    Talking about triple crown. who are the players that have won it? And who are players that at on point in thier career had a trieple crown. Fot instance this player led the league in Homeruns, RBI, nad batting but not all in the same year. It hasnt happened much.

    When Frank Robinson won his triple crown that was the only time he ever lead in any of those stats.
     
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  7. jmverdugo

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    oh yeah baby!, no relation with Melky, Miguel is Venezuelan and he has been under the media radar for a while, not even ESPN Deportes had too much on him 1 month ago, now he is everywhere, way to go chamo!
     
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    Yaz followed the very next year with his one-and-only top numbers in HRs and RBIs and his second of three batting titles. Interesting, too, Yaz never led the majors in average. Also interesting...the all-time HR leader, Henry Aaron (sorry, Barry, you cheated) also never led the majors in HRs in a season. Each of the three years he led the NL, an AL slugger outdid him.
     
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    Definitely not underrated. Great player, but I would say overrated because he is 1 dimensional. He is the baseball version of Raonic.
     
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    What's more, Melky didn't so much as reach out to say goodbye to any of his team mates; he just cleaned out his locker and left (kind of a douchebag move).

    Reportedly, many of his San Francisco Giant team mates were quite turned off by it and there were repots (ESPN) of them considering not to vote him in for a "playoff share" ($). Giants manager Bruce Bochy announced that Cabrara is not in their post-season plans, saying "we've moved on."

    Detroit's (Miguel) Cabrara on the other hand is the real deal (no PED's)....and could be definitely be headed for the Hall of Fame when all is said and done.

    update: hit his 43rd HR, tying Josh Hamilton.
     
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    Who will console the "Melk Maids"?
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  12. Moose Malloy

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    with 2 games left, is this now a sure thing? would any "o-fers" lower his average that much?
     
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    Not a sure thing, he only leads the home run race by 1.

    The batting average is looking good for Cabrera and the RBI looks to be in the bag.


    This triple crown is very rare and harder than winning the grand slam in difficulty.
     
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  14. stringertom

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    It is hard...none since '67 but that was the second year in a row someone did it. We never had back-to-back Grand Slam winners and there's only been two in history. With three surfaces to contend on, the Slam is harder to achieve.

    Meanwhile, Cabrera is not a lock to win MVP...Mike Trout has had an incredible year too!
     
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  15. Moose Malloy

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    I assume he would still win the triple crown if he finishes tied with Hamilton in home runs. It seems unlikely that Hamilton will hit 2 home runs today, with the A's putting a hot pitcher on the mound.
     
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    Yeah the only real way Mike Trout can catch Cabrera is if he goes like 4 for 4 or 5 for 5 at the plate and Cabrera ends up 0-2 or 0-3. I don't think the Tigers are going to give him much more than 2 at bats maybe 3 today, so it seems batting average is a lock.

    The RBIs are a lock too as he has an 11 run lead which means for anyone to catch him they would have to have something beyond a career day.

    Gonna come down to the homers, but I think he'll win it because Oakland actually has a division title to play for which means they'll want anyone but Josh Hamilton to beat them.
     
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    Which is just ridiculous because if you do something that hasn't been done in baseball in 45 years that's not dubious, but in fact, the furthest thing from it, how the hell do you not win the MVP? I mean you're talking about the 3 biggest statistical categories we use to evaluate offensive players for consideration of the MVP, and this guy leads all 3 of those categories..

    Not to mention he did it playing for a winning team, while Mike Trout played for an Angels team that never really got it going this year.. Hard to believe when you consider all of that, Miggy Cabrera isn't anything but a lock to win the MVP.
     
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  18. Ronaldo

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    Hope Miguel and the Tigers have a dry celebration
     
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  19. Moose Malloy

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    Angels had a better record than Tigers.

    from http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-deg...sh-overshadowing-mike-trout-s-mvp-season.html

     
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    ^^^I think Cabrera will win the MVP bcoz the writers who vote on the awards will be content to make Trout their unanimous Rookie of the Year, much the same way pitchers are not often MVP candidates and relievers are seldom Cy Young winners. The ROY award is a done deal!
     
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    I don't think anyone has won the Triple Crown since Yaz in '67. (Frank Robinson did it in '66.) 45 years is a long time. Would be quite an accomplishment. Mantle won in in 1956. Best player ever, Ted Williams twice (42 and 47) in the 1940's despite losing several seasons (43, 44, 45) due to the war. He also served in Korea so he lost another year or two.

    No one has won the TC in the National League since 1937. 75 years! (Ducky Medwick)
     
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    I will not consoel the Melk Maids. Anyone who goes to that level to root for Melky Cabrera is not worth consoling.


    Anyway back to the triple Crown and Miggy. Hes pretty much got it locked up IMO. I guess Hamilton can pull off the 4 HR day like he did in BMore earlier this year and beat him in RBIs as well :)

    The triple crown has been won 16 times by 14 different dudes. Rogers Hornsby and Ted Williams are the ones with multiples. Its been 11 different players since 1900.

    1878 Palu Hines Providence Grays
    1887 Top Oneill STL Browns
    1894 Hugh Duffy Boston Beaneaters
    1901 Nap Lajoie PHI A's
    1909 Cobb Tigers
    1922 Hornsby Cards
    1925 Hornsby Cards
    1933 Jimmie Foxx PHI A's
    1933 Chuck Klien PHI Phillies
    1934 Gehrig Yanks
    1937 Joe Medwick Cards
    1942 Ted Williams Red Sox
    1947 Williams again
    1956 Mickey Mantle
    1966 Frank Robinson BMore
    1967 Yaz Bos

    Frank Robinson only hit 316 when he won his title. Not paul hines in 1878 (60 game season) Ty Cobbs 9 HR and 107 RBIs are the lowest of the winners. Paul Hines and Tip Oneil are the only two of the actual triple crown guys to not be in the HoF.



    And then there have only been 11 guys with a career triple crown Pujols, Babe Ruth, DiMaggio, Aaron, Mize, Andres Gallaraga, Bonds, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez and Heinie Zimmerman (dead-ball era HR leader in 1912 with 14)
     
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    Regarding Robinson's .316, MLB lowered the pitching mound 5 inches beginning in 1969 because the pitcher's were becoming too dominant. Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA in 1968 was the last straw.

    The old timer numbers are kind of a joke IMHO. It was a different game in many respects.
     
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    You can't hit what you can't see...another contributing factor to the lower averages was the big increase in night games in older stadiums with poor lighting.
     
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    Mike Trout is having a fine year but won't get MVP.

    But being his first year I'll be looking for his numbers in years to come, he may be a great one in the making.


    Cabrera is only one HR ahead of Hamilton so it might come down to the last day.


    Triple crowns don't change a players place in history too much but it's a fine addition to the resume.
     
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  26. Ronaldo

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    Very short list of resume's eh?
     
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    here you go!

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    .331 AVG 139 RBI and 44 HR

    and Omar Vizquel retired today too, kind of like a big day for Venezuelan Baseball isnt it? Hay un Camino! ;)
     
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    And we hear so much that Fed is too old at 31...Derek Jeter just finished as MLB's 2012 hit leader with 216 knocks...at age 38!
     
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    I think Trout is the MVP. He cretaed runs with his baserunning, and stole runs with his fielding. Cabrera as a fielder probably gave up about 9 runs. The only knock on trout is that he didnt play 25 games at the start of the year. But if I was voting for MVP I would vote Trout. He better year overall from all facets outside of batting and those are pretty darm close.
     
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  30. Fearsome Forehand

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    I think a TC winner is virtually guaranteed the MVP unless a pitcher wins 30 games in the same season or someone hits 60 HR's without using steroids.

    The TC is a very big deal.
     
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