Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I broke the Dynamite last night after only 3 sets of singles and 3 sets of doubles. It was a little warmer last night and just perfect conditions for tennis. The Dynamite was feeling absolutely terrific, no arm issues whatsoever. My forehand was finally coming out of a 2 month hibernation and then the darn string broke. I'm guessing the tension loss helped. The final measurement I got off RacquetTune was 11.1%.

    One interesting thing about this string is that my 2nd serve was really good. I felt like I was almost hitting 2 first serves because of the confidence that I would not miss. Touch with this string is poor though. All in all an interesting string test.
     
  2. Ronaldo

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    Ever notice strings feel great right before they break. Like same set.
     
  3. mikeler

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    Yes, that is a running joke. "These strings feel great, must be ready to break."
     
  4. Nostradamus

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    Mike, do you think that new hybrid of multi and poly in same string from Babolat will make multis obsolete ?
     
  5. newyorkstadium

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    My recommendations based on those I've liked:

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    Nxt 16
    Head FXP Power 16
    XCel Power (I thought it was better then the excellent xcel premium)
    Gamma Asterisk 16
     
  6. Ronaldo

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    Is this RPM Dual with the silicone coating? Hear it comes with a tube of motion lotion to decrease friction tween strings. Curious about Pacific Xcite, which promises better performance while holding tension longer.
     
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  7. JT_2eighty

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    highly doubtful since Tecnifibre has already come out with three different variations (promix, duramix, & x-code) on that theme with very little impact in "making multis obsolete". They just end up being "stiff multis", good for some, bad for others.
     
  8. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    And Tecnifibre DURAmix was not very durable.
     
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    Got a question over nrg2 17g - havent used this for along time,

    ive only used this in a 16x19 setup, but now i play with a 18x20(head prestige mid)
    My question is around what tension should i string this? be using it in a full bed

    When i used this in my six.one tour i played with it at 58-60lbs, but considering with the prestige mid being alot tighter -i dont want the string to feel like a board / go too low and be too powerful.
    I genreally play with 51lbs full bed (poly) in prestige mid.

    I know its different for everyone so tension is different,i dont want to waste the string

    Playing style - baseliner/ play very deep/ average power/ dont play with spin -flat hitter instead.
    Im thinking just going 3lbs higher- 54lbs
     
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  10. Ronaldo

    Ronaldo G.O.A.T.

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    Mikeler, just strung Prince Premiere(Zyex) from BITD at 50/48. When you strung Dynomite, did it seem like a soft poly? Stiff, coil memory, GOAT to weave?
     
  11. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I can't really offer much for your situation based on my experience. I use larger head size rackets and mostly 16g multis.


    Yep, felt very polyish and had all the attributes you mentioned.
     
  12. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    Volkl Power Fiber might get the scissors. I'm done with that company. I have a feeling it will snap soon anyways. Maybe I'll give it one more try.
     
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    Thanks. I thought it was live wire xp on tennis warehouse at first glance.

    Could you give a comparison with tier one's multi?
     
  14. sstchur

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    I think Mikeler has a full review of Tier One Triumph somewhere -- he'll chime in I'm sure.

    For me, Tier One lacks the "unique feel" that Gamma Professional has, so I can't rate it as high. Durability was not any better than GPro either. However, its retail price is a lot lower, so that's definitely a win for Triumph.

    In my opinion, Triumph was more like other high end multis I've tried: soft, comfortable, cushy, arm-friendly, but maybe just a touch "springy." Of all the non GPro multis I've tried, I think Tier One Triumph (especially considering its price) is one of my favorites.

    Another similar one is Solinco's Vanquish, but I think Vanquish may have been even springier (hard for me to recall now) and I think I only got about 4 hours out of it. Was pretty nice while it lasted though.
     
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    Vanquish was just average for me.
     
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    OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Ashaway Dynamite Tough 16.

    I strung this up at 50 pounds ignoring the recommendation to string 10-15% lower than normal nylon strings. The string is very rough so weaving crosses was a bit of a chore.

    Tension it is strung: 50 pounds on an electronic machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Discho Microfibre 50 pounds full bed
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 18
    Power (or lack there of): Medium powered multi
    Feel: Above average feel
    Tension maintenance: Final tension loss according to RacquetTune was 11.1%.
    Price: $12.00, $109 for a half reel
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This is certainly a whole different animal of a string. It felt tight at first but really loosened up and played well at the end.

    Serve/Return of Serve: My serve was great with this string. I was almost hitting 2 first serves because I felt so confident with it. Returns were about average.

    Strokes: Not as much spin as I was expecting considering the rough coating. My forehand really came alive the last set with this string. Everything else was about average.

    Volleys: Just average here.

    Touch shots: My drop shots were not great with this string.

    Softness: One of the stiffest multis I've used. I should have listened to the lower tension recommendation from Ashaway which I'm sure would have helped.

    Tension: I should have listened to the lower tension recommendation from Ashaway and maybe gone with 45 pounds.

    Durability: Only 3 singles sets and 3 doubles sets. Not great.

    Movement: String movement was about normal for a multi meaning it moves quite a bit. Because of the roughness, it is hard to straighten the strings.

    Conclusion: This is a very unique string. It feels like a poly out of the package but plays a little softer. I would not recommend it for people with arm problems or string breakers.
     
  17. sstchur

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    Yes, true. But isn't this the case (or rather, I should say, this IS the case) will ALL multis that aren't Gamma Professional :)
     
  18. mikeler

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    There are still a few multis I like better than Gamma Pro but I can understand why it is a favorite of yours.
     
  19. Ronaldo

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    Suspect it is the Zyex in GPro that gives it that feel and flex.
     
  20. sstchur

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    Yeah, I think it might be the Zyex too. That seems to be the main difference, at least as far as material goes. I think all the other are all nylon, or maybe nylon/polyolefin (or whatever it is).
     
  21. mikeler

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    What are your thoughts on Gamma Pro?


    In the RSI list, it shows GPro as "nylon/zyex"

    http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2012/01/string_selector_2012.html
     
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    Used Prince Premiere (zyex) for 4 hrs, 5+ sets doubles. Nearly has NG power and firm feel, felt a twinge in wrist. As easy as NXT Control or soft poly to string. No notching, smooth coating. Strings need straightening unlike a poly. May be a perfect alt to multis but no longer made.
     
  24. mikeler

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    Where did you get it? I'm waiting on Torres final review of Monogut. I might try that. I'm also seeing that TW now has Tour Bite Soft if you call in. After over a year, I think all my arm issues are almost clear.
     
  25. rdis10093

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    princes only good multi is recoil
     
  26. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    Way overpriced. I only tried it as a main because the knot slipped on me!

    Ronaldo, got your email. Thanks.
     
  27. Ronaldo

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    Btw, received two sets of Premier w/Softflex by mistake from same order.
     
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    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    Never tried that one.
     
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    Laid back, soft like NXT, GPro, or Xcel. Expensive but worth $4 set.
     
  30. heartattack

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    did anyone tried NXT tour 17? it place 2nd on the other forum.
     
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    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I thought NXT was pretty stiff.


    I don't buy 17g multis. If it ever goes on sale, I may pick up a set. No way I'm paying $20 for a multi that probably costs $1 to make.
     
  32. Ronaldo

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    Used NXT along with the others 6-9 yrs ago. May differ from what is available now.
     
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    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    Funny you say that. I cut my sets of X1 Biphase 16 and Prince Premiere Attack 16 last night. The Attack is much smoother than what I remember from last time. I hope they did not change the formulation.
     
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    I'm thinking of cutting out the Volkl Power Fiber II. It just does not do it for me. RacquetTune has it at 16% tension loss. The string loses more tension each time out on the court. I hate strings like that!
     
  35. Ronaldo

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    BITD, TW used NXT as a demo string. Quite nice, held its tension well. Wilson sent several sets of NXT Control to demo, forgetaboutit! Best multi ever until tried Premier LT. Used the Prince Premiere this morning for an hr of hitting. Still primo. Can hit hard and the stringbed never stiffens.
     
  36. mikeler

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    I liked NXT Control much better than NXT. It seemed to be softer even though it had poly in it. I like Attack better than LT. Easier on the arm but same good feel and cheaper.
     
  37. Ronaldo

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    When Nostradamus mentioned Babolat was introducing a poly blend, first thought was NXT Control.
     
  38. mikeler

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    I was looking at Big T's site. There are still 5 Pro's Pro multis he has that I've not tried. Throw in a set of Tour Bite Soft and I'm $11 away from free shipping. Can't think of anything else to try though.
     
  39. themitchmann

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    mikeler,

    How would you say Prince Premier Attack compares to Babolat Addiction? I have a customer that used Addiction in the crosses, but I don't carry that string. Is PPA a good substitute (it's what I use in my crosses)?
     
  40. newyorkstadium

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    My recommendations based on those I've liked:

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    Nxt 16
    Head FXP Power 16
    XCel Power (I thought it was better then xcel premium)
    Gamma Asterisk 16
     
  41. mikeler

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    Both provide more spin than average for a multi. PPA is softer, for that reason alone I'd favor it over Addiction as a cross with a poly main.
     
  42. themitchmann

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    Thanks. Is there much of a difference in terms of durability?
     
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    I cut Addiction out, so I don't know about durability. It was a little too stiff for my arm at the time.
     
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    I cut out Volkl Power Fiber 2 tonight. I've served well with it but if my opponent gets the ball back then it just sucks. Reminds me of Pro Supex Maxim Touch 17 in that regard.

    So I put in Tecnifibre Biphase 16 in its place. This time, I gave the Biphase a 1 minute pre stretch for both pieces since I string 2 piece. I pulled as hard as I could without risking breakage. Could I have pulled harder? Maybe.

    The ball bounce test with Biphase revealed that natural gut feel. Very crisp but also with a little more control. My "gut" tells me, this string will still crap out after a few hours, but I have to know if that is due to tension loss or just losing the initial coating.
     
  45. Legend of Borg

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    What's a string alternative similar to RPM Blast 16 gauge?
     
  46. mikeler

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    Might want to try a different thread since RPM is a poly.
     
  47. themitchmann

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    Ok. Appreciate you help!
     
  48. mikeler

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    OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Volkl Power Fiber II 16.

    Stringing was pretty easy.

    Tension it is strung: 50 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Discho Microfibre 16 @ 50 pounds on a lockout
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 18
    Power (or lack there of): Higher powered multi
    Feel: Not very good
    Tension maintenance: Dropped each time out on court. Not a good trait for a string.
    Price: $12.99/set, reel price I don't care
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This review will be short. When a $13 string stinks, I say quite simply "It sucks".

    Serve/Return of Serve: Serves are the only highlight with this string. I served well but if the ball came back I was in trouble.

    Strokes: Spin was a chore to create.

    Volleys: It feels OK on volleys, nothing special.

    Touch shots: Not good

    Softness: Stiff for a multi string.

    Tension: I don't think tension will compensate for a company that does not make good multis.

    Durability: I cut it out after 4 sets of singles. This string is a "snapper". I have a feeling it would have broken in my next match. The "frayers" usually last longer than the snappers.

    Movement: String movement is average for a multi meaning it moves a decent amount.

    Conclusion: This is a below average multi string with a premium price. Maybe Volkl should only be considered for polyester strings.
     
  49. djNEiGht

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    I hit with power fiber II for a bit and the one thing I really didn't like was the pinging sound that the string bed gave off... I didn't hit with it too much. It's in a racquet that I don't use that much and will probably visit again when I get bored. I'm pretty sure it's a mess with tension loss though...
     
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    The ping sound probably comes from the extra stiffness.
     

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