Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    Power Fiber is garbage. Go with the Hexy.
     
  2. Matchball

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    Another multi that might have slipped under the radar (probably one of the spiniest ones) is the Yonex 850 pro. Has anybody tried it?
     
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    I just bought a set of it. I've hit with the non pro version and it was just average.
     
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    I expect the pro to be stiffer and with better tension maintenance.
    Let's see what you discover.

    Interestingly, TW does not have the best price on this. You can find it for less than $10; hence if it performs well, it's well priced.

    I am planning to order a set and use it in hybrids (as a cross) with a good co-poly.
     
  5. mikeler

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    I did not buy my set from TW.
     
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    :twisted:

    Yeah, they need to revisit pricing for this...
     
  7. mikeler

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    Normally all the online tennis retailers have the same price due to MAP restrictions.
     
  8. diegoeste

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    Hi Mikeler, I`ve a Head Speed 16x19 and I would like to try with an hybrid: SPPP 1.23 and PPA.
    Do you think that would be a good one? WHich PPA 1.25 or 1.30 works best?
    Starting tension rec?

    THanks for your advice!
     
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  10. mikeler

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    I would use 1.30 PPA. Never used SPPP so tension is hard to say.
     
  11. diegoeste

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    PPA black or white play the same?

    thanks again for this great threade!!
     
  12. Boricua

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    Have you used Ashaway Zyex Monogut? If you have, is it true it plays similar to X 1 Biphase but retains tension much better?
     
  13. mikeler

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    Never played with PPA black or the Ashaway MonoGut.
     
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    Just got the Mamba Mcrofiber 1.25 mm. It looks very different than my X-1 biphase or NRG2 even. Mamba looks like clear white, kind of like Nylon string. lol
     
  15. mikeler

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    It is a translucent string but don't judge a book by its cover. Give it a few hits.
     
  16. Nostradamus

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    I havent' even strung it up yet. I am going to give it a 2-4 hours of playtest. but unfortunately it will have to be in hybrid. haven't decided yet wether it will be with Pro hurr tour or Kirschbaum proline 2 or spiky shark.
     
  17. Ramon

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    I've tried PPA in black and natural. For me they both play the same. I won't even try 17 gauge. I like how 16 plays, and it's biggest drawback is being prone to early breakage on a shank. If you don't break it early on a shank, it will hold up for good while. It does make a good cross string, too, and I can't think of any weakness it has as a cross.
     
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  18. diegoeste

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    Thanks Ramon, I will try ppa black 16 with sppp 1.23 to see what happen. I believe sppp 55lbs and ppa 57lbs would be a nice start point in my speed 16x19
     
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    will be testing this next week. but does it feel more like Xcel or X-1 biphase ?
     
  20. Slitch

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    Mikeler, after carefully reading your reviews over and over, I ordered sets of DNA 16, PPA 16 black, Micronite 16, MCS 16 black and Dynamite 17 (looks nice). I still have not got the time to play because the weather is still to cold (-3 degrees celsius). However, customers will be knocking on my door very soon so I need to have a reel ready.
    DNA, PPA and micronite are about the same price for a reel. Which of the three would you reckon are most suited for a variety of players and playing styles? Most of my customers would be children, juniors and adults. The adults play mostly doubles. My guess would be micronite because it's a true multifilament.
    I really appreciate your opinion.

    BTW keep up the great work, love reading your reviews.
     
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    I'm sure Mikeler will be along shortly with his always helpful opinion, but if I may just jump in ...

    Having browsed this thread for a while I've spent the last 4-5 months trying 3 off the top of the list - Micronite, PPA & DNA , in that order. I play with an Angell 16x19 , strung them all at 53 lbs & play league doubles & some all court singles.

    The Micronite was a great string . I'd give similar comments to Mikeler on this one. They lasted well too in our cold, damp Scottish conditions. The only caveat would be they visually fray a lot. As Mikeler said this didn't adversely affect play but can be off putting if you're used to Poly's or Synthetics that don't. That may be a factor to consider for your customers.


    The PPA was very similar to Micronite during the time I used it, minus the fraying. Unfortunately two strings broke at the top of the frame about 10 days in so I can't comment on whether its playability degrades over the lifetime as some have found.


    The DNA is currently still being played. This was the cheapest here in the UK. I found it a little less powerful than the other 2, next time I'll try 51 with this one. Apart from that it plays as well as the other 2 and is lasting well without any visual signs if wear. ( Prob not important to most but it's a good looking string - two tone shiny grey).

    So, from my limited experience I'd recommend DNA, PPA, Micronite in that order.

    I hope that helps a bit.



    BTW - Mikeler thank you for all your hard work and excellent reviews - v much appreciated.
     
  22. mikeler

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    Xcel. Biphase is quite a bit stiffer.


    Tough to say. PPA has a little more spin than Micronite but not as much touch. All 3 are very soft. DNA moves the least which some customers might like.


    Nice write up. All 3 play well so you can't go wrong with any of them. It really just depends on what each individual customer wants.
     
  23. mrmike

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    Someone on the bay is selling 4 sets of DNA 17 for 24 bucks. Not sure if its legit. They had the same deal on 4 sets of 16G, but someone already grabbed it. I was almost tempted, but not having tried DNA yet I was hesitant to get 4 sets.
     
  24. mikeler

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    That is a good deal but I would also wonder if it is legit.
     
  25. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Sometimes you get lucky on the auction site. I have bought Babolat XCel 12 sets for $80 shipped.
     
  26. Nostradamus

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    I will be playtesting this thurs or sat. I had my stringer string this, and he said the string felt a lot like Babolat Addiction. hope it doesn't play like it. lol
     
  27. mikeler

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    Nope, DM is on the opposite end of the multi spectrum from Addiction.
     
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    so normally I am really good at rotating my 6 rdis, that way they all get equal amount of abuse and when one string breaks the others are close, but this time, one got out of order and never even got hit with. It is a hybrid with poly in the mains and it is literally been sitting for like a month. it the poly going to feel dead right away, or do you think I should still keep the strings? I cant get out on the courts right now due to weather to test this.

    thanks,
    rdis10093
     
  29. mikeler

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    This is a multi thread, I'll be attacked if I discuss polys. :)

    Try it out and see how it feels.
     
  30. ced

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    It was legit and I grabbed it !! Shipping took a little while but I have it now. Just finished stringing a racquet with it and will play it tomorrow morning. Extremely easy to string by the way.
     
  31. mixedmedia

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    Finally got mostly caught up on this thread after not checking the forum for a while. Didn't realize how much I missed you guys--and this thread!

    But what was all this buzz about Gamma Pro about recently? I mean, sure it feels good the first outing (though I actually liked the 17G better than the 16G I think), but the price... It is no gut...

    (Though if anyone wants some, I have a pack or two I think to trade/sell, btw.)
     
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    I think sstchur is a big fan of it but I'm not sure anyone else was saying that it is "the string". It is very good, just overpriced.

    In other news, I've been playing with Wilson gut 16/Discho Microfibre 16 both at 60#. I'm playing much better with the string at higher tensions, so I think my next 2 multi playtests will be at 60# rather than 50#.
     
  33. mixedmedia

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    I know you didn't personally care for full bed gut as it was too powerful, but, for comparison (and since I do like it!), how does the gut/DM stack up? Might uneven tension loss and/or wear be on the multi be a problem?
     
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    Well, full gut was a little too hard to flatten out shots with in the PK 7G. Perhaps I'll try it again next winter in whatever racket I'm using. :)

    As for the gut/DM, it is playing great so far. Dropped only 5 pounds after 5 sets of singles and 1 set of doubles. The DM is getting a little roughed up but the setup look pretty good so far.
     
  35. Boricua

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    What about Ashaway Monogut Zyex mains and Xcel crosses.? :)
     
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    If I try Monogut it will be as a full job.
     
  37. Boricua

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    Go low. Maybe 46 or 47, thats what Julian recommended if I strung soft oly at 50
     
  38. sstchur

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    I am a big fan. Strings are very subjective, as we all know. But for me, there is just something unique/different about Gamma Pro that makes it a cut above all other multis I've tried. That's not to say there aren't other multis that are very good; there are.

    But for me Gamma Pro is at the top. I agree that the price is a bit high. I never pay retail for it, or I probably wouldn't use it.

    It's worth noting though, that Gamma Live Wire XP is VERY VERY similar to Gamma Professional, and it has a much more approachable price point. Definitely worth trying if you never have.
     
  39. mixedmedia

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    Didn't mean to question your sentiments to it. I like certain aspects of it a lot. I just had perceived a negative view towards it from many (besides for the price), so I was curious about where the discussion came from. I may actually try out XP, but can you speak to its tension stability and string life?
     
  40. mixedmedia

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    Great to hear on the hybrid front. I usually don't break gut too quickly since I add in string-savers, so if the DM isn't a weak link, I could test that out too, tho' I'd probably use a half set of (very similar to current Wilson) old VS after I try out DM full bed.
     
  41. Lavs

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    Does Wilson K-Gut 16g have any spin potential?
     
  42. mrmike

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    I saw an interesting stringers log from a tourney where Tommy Haas was playing a full bed of gut at 75 lbs! Now that is old school. Reminds me of back in the day when Borg played gut at 80 lbs. in a small headed wood racquet.
     
  43. Ronaldo

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    Strung SG at 70-72 in a POG BITD, Shirley not in a Prestige.
     
  44. mikeler

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    I've not got 7 sets of singles and a set of doubles on it and I don't see any notching. No need for string savers yet.
     
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    Awesome. I'll try out full DM first, which I'm stringing up today hopefully. If that goes well I'll try this hybrid too probably.
     
  46. Nostradamus

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    Yes, it does have decent spin potential. from what I read though, it didn't get good reviews mainly due to Price. It is mediocre multi that is very expensive. Some people love it though. What are some positives of K-gut ?
     
  47. mikeler

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    I thought that string got discontinued?
     
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    I believe so. wonder if Wilson replaced it with anything new ? what is the Wilson flagship multi string now ?
     
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    1,500 different versions of NXT.
     
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    What do you think about Wilson NXT tour ? their description sounds impressive indeed.

    "Wilson's premier multifilament synthetic gut, NXT Tour offers an even closer to gut-like feel than regular NXT. According to Wilson, it's the softest and most comfortable string in the NXT line. Designed with almost twice as many fibers as regular NXT, it offers a 15% increase in sweet spot size and 80% less vibration than traditional synthetic gut. With its superior power and comfort, Wilson gives this string its maximum playability rating. NXT Tour also offers impressive durability for a multifilament. It's an awesome choice for players of all levels and playing styles looking for near gut-like performance at half the cost. The thinner 17 gauge offers even more comfort and feel, with less durability than the 16 gauge".
     

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