Mikeler's Multis

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  1. Lukhas

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    Not untrue. It was one of the main reasons of my change for multis. Although "not breaking strings" isn't the only reason for using multis, so those reviews still may be good for everybody who wants to discover more about it.
     
  2. Ramon

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    It's probably going to take a non-string breaker to do his own reviews and make his own thread. A player who breaks typical multis in under 8 hours is not going to be able to do this kind of evaluation.

    Personally, I think most non-string breakers will be satisfied with the performance of most multis after 30 hours. The playable time of these strings is less than natural gut, but much longer than poly. I think "good until it breaks" will describe most multis for the majority of players.
     
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    I tried Dunlop Hexy Fibre in my Dunlop Bio 400 today at 58lbs. I was very impressed, for such a low priced string it performed excellently. I also thought it may feel a bit stiff at 58lbs as my racket is 68RA stiffness but no, it felt very comfortable indeed. I could have gone up to 60lbs quite easily and will do next time it is strung. My spin serves gave my partner real trouble today and I felt I could really power my groundstrokes and they would still land in. We played a 5 set marathon over 3 hours (lost 6-4 in the 5th :() so I will have to see how long they last me. I am not a string breaker by any means though. At half the price of other multis I have tried I am very pleased with Hexy Fibre.
     
  4. mikeler

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    I tried out B5E/Dunlop DNA for 2 games last time out. It is like Thunder Blast, close to being too stiff for my arm. May try PPA, DM and MCS crosses. I know B5E/NVY agrees with my arm, so that is my fallback.
     
  5. Torres

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    Looks like TW have got round to reviewing X1.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcEH4-neQXY

    I've always had a bit of a soft spot for X1 principally because its such a nice feeling buttery feeling, if somewhat powerful string.

    Personally, I'd prestretch it and use it as a cross with some poly mains, or really up the tension of it along with a prestretch if I was using it as a full bed.
     
  6. mikeler

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    The prestretched X1 is really good no doubt about that.
     
  7. maggmaster

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    I just put Dunlop DNA 17 in my Exo 3 yesterday at 54 lbs. It is amazing... I get poly spin off of it.
     
  8. mikeler

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    I am trying DNA 16 as a cross with B5E now. The B5E is really chewing into it after just 4 sets. So far I still like ThunderBlast best as a cross with poly mains.
     
  9. Torres

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    I suspect ZX would work well with B5E.
     
  10. mikeler

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    I think you are correct. Perhaps I'll make an order soon to test. ;)
     
  11. Torres

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    In fact, come to think of it, it might be something I'm going to try. I still have the remnants of an old B5E reel knocking around, as well as some ZX.
     
  12. mikeler

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    Maybe I'll wait for your review.
     
  13. ShankServeAce

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    Long time reader first time poster on TT. Never used a poly/multi hybrid till after read this thread. Finally settled on B5E/TB (natural) and have been very satisfied. Does everything great. Very curious too see your results should you try B5E/PPA. Contemplating throwing down on a reel of B5E and TB or another Multi as the cross.
     
  14. mikeler

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    Welcome to TTW my fellow Floridian. It is satisfying when I find a few others who also seem to settle in on that exact same setup. I just bought a set of DM last night. Now I just need to call TW today and see if I can get some cheaper shipping prices via USPS on a set of PPA.
     
  15. Rogael Naderer

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    Question for all multi users:

    So I finally got around to trying PPA 16 in my Dunlop 100 and was absolutely loving it strung at 50lbs!

    However after less than 10 sets it has broken on the crosses, I expected more than this.

    Possible solution, I'm thinking of sticking Babolat NVY 16 in the crosses, this has always held up to poly mains and I occasionally use it with PSGD 16 in the mains and like the feel but wish for more spin potential.

    How would this work out? Would string movement be about the same?

    Another option was Dunlop DNA 16 full bed, will this shred as quick as the PPA?

    Thanks in advance multi fans.
     
  16. Lukhas

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    10 sets? At which level? That seems quite long in fact.
     
  17. Rogael Naderer

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    Club doubles, 5 sets and 2 singles sets and a bit of practice.

    I didn't play well or hit particularly hard in most of them!

    Weird thing is, until last night the string showed absolutely no sign of fraying, and in the course of a 10 minute intense hit, went from showing signs to complete breakage on just one cross.
     
  18. mikeler

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    PPA lasts longer than DNA.
     
  19. maggmaster

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    Yes but it stiffens up at end of life which I don't like.
     
  20. Ben42

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    This seems like a good thread for my questions. I’ll try to keep it a brief as I can.

    About a month ago I switched from one stiff racket to another; from the BLX Pro Open to 2012 APDGT. I never had arm problems with the BLXPO, so I didn’t think the APD would give me problems, and so far it really hasn’t. But I have had just a little wrist/elbow soreness since switching. I think it’s more from switching to a racket with a higher swing weight more than anything else, but I want to stay with a softer string in it just in case.

    It came with Addiction, which I thought wasn’t bad, and I’ve got Multi-Feel in it now. Both were 17, since that’s what I’ve been playing for years.

    I love the APD and get plenty of power and spin from it. I’m thinking of going to a 16 gauge string since it’s got a pretty open pattern and I don’t want more power. I want to stay < $10 with the possibility of getting a reel if I like it.

    So PPA 16 and Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16 sound like a good start? Any difference between PPA Black and PPA Natural?
     
  21. mikeler

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    Ben,

    Hexy Fiber is not durable. So beware.
     
  22. Lukhas

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    Usually black strings are stiffer. Then Hexy's a s-gut: once it looses too much tension, it breaks. And it happens quickly.
     
  23. Ben42

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    I was getting 15-20 hours out of a PSG 17 (non-dura, mains), Multi-Feel 17 (crosses) hybrid on my BLX Pro Open, so I'm not a big string breaker. Still probably worth me checking out.

    I'm wondering more if there will be a big difference in feel going from a 17 gauge to a 16.
     
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    Anything nice I've said about X-1 Biphase, I take back!!

    Strung up Yonex PTS 125 with X1 crosses. What a truly awful string combination. Mains and crosses were moving about all over the place after 10 mins of hitting. I've never seen a poly/nylon combination that bad for string movement. PTS is a really grabby, grippy poly but the X1 just seemed to stop the PTS from sliding and imparting spin. Has X1 got some superglue on its surface that gums up strings and holds them out of place?

    Not sure whether it was the tension I used 50/54 CP (10% prestretch on both) but the strings had such little spin and produced a very flat ball. PTS/ZX in the same stick was lightyears better than this.
     
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  25. ShankServeAce

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    Thanks Mikeler! Hope to be able to contribute to this very informative board. Cheers!
     
  26. Nostradamus

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    Are you saying X-1 biphase is bad with all and any Poly strings ? Or is just this combination you found not to work ? I have been using X-1 with Pro hurr tour, Proline 2, and Proline X and it works sometimes and sometimes not.
     
  27. Torres

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    This particular combination, whether due to tension used, string combination, pre-stretching, or position of the planets was truly awful in that any spin PTS would normally produce was completely neutered for whatever reason. PTS is normally a really grippy poly.

    I can't say its the case with all poly strings because I haven't played X1 with all poly strings, but it really shouldn't have been this bad.
     
  28. Nostradamus

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    Seriously I do find this fascination. because I found that reduction in spin potential is significant when I hybrid with X-1. I get amazed when I go full poly with Proline X or RPM blast, amount of spin I can generate, this is especially true on serves. When I Hybrid with X-1, spin reduction makes sad and upset.
    Is there a good Multi, that this would be less so ?
     
  29. Torres

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    ^ Ashaway Monogut ZX 16 is one of the best cross strings I've played with. It's certainly the best cross for tension maintenance (aside from natural gut).
     
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    TW does not carry this string. and where does this string rank in Mikeler's ranking of best polys ?
     
  31. Torres

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    There are a billion posts and two major threads about ZX and TW selling it, Fedace....
     
  32. Nostradamus

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    Who the Heck is Fedace ? very odd how some people will connect and assume things. very annoying too.

    and this comment about this string is disturbing to me.

    Comments: This string is not for a player that can not attack the ball in an aggressive manner. A quality multifilament would serve a 4.0 player much better. Ashaway is a good company and has a solid line of strings, but this Zyex string does not compare favorably to a Luxilon poly or any high end multi. Perhaps it does not cause any arm pain and it probably won't break for a month.
     
  33. Rogael Naderer

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    Would a multi main (perhaps PPA 16) work?

    I'm just rather confused as to why just one cross shredded and blew!

    I'm interested to know if mutlis work at all in the mains of hybrids with sgut or ZX crosses?
     
  34. mikeler

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    Torres,

    Still have not found a better multi cross for spin than Genesis Thunder Blast.
     
  35. Nostradamus

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    Better than X-1 ? but I am assuming lower powered than X-1, correct ? You have that genesis pretty high up there in the rankings ?
     
  36. lightthestorm

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    How is the durability for the discho multifibre? Is it the same as the micronite?
     
  37. Torres

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    This is just ridiculous....I have never seen a poly like that before.

    [​IMG]

    But thinking about it I'm wondering whether it was the 10% prestrech of the poly that's killed it rather than the culprit being the X1. I don't normally prestretch polys and 10% is quite alot, certainly enough to pull the elasticity / snap back out of it....oh well.
     
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    durability is pretty decent. better than X-1 biphase for sure. but it does lose some power after about 10 hours of play
     
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    that does look awful. I recommend more slippery multi like Babolat Xcel or Xcel power.
     
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    When I used poly hybrids I preferred N.Vy to NXT even though I would take NXT over any monofilament synthetic as a full bed.

    I read on another tennis site that stiffer monofilament crosses work better with poly mains because if you have a soft cross string the mains get beaten up more because they have less support. So it doesn't surprise me that a stiff multi might work better as a cross than a softer one.
     
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    X-1 is pretty stiff and it doesn't work well. what about xcel premium ?
     
  43. mikeler

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    Yes


    Welcome to my world. The Exo Tours look all jumbled up with most setups in the first few minutes to first hour.


    Never tried PPA as a cross. Only read that comment. Think I was talking full bed. Natural Thunder Blast does not bleed.
     
  44. Francis27

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    I actually got to use Babolat Xcel premium for the first time yesterday, was gonna use PPA but my local store ran out so anyway i used it as a cross with RPM Team in the mains and so far its holding up pretty well i got it strung at 55/58 and it feels really good on the arm. Im not seeing fraying or notching probably because of the silicone coating of the RPM Team . Im at the 11hour mark right now. I might be using this combo for awhile
     
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    X1 and Xcel Premium seem like overkill as crosses. I tried regular Xcel one time as a cross and it was nothing special.
     
  46. SmashServe12

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    Do you think a gut poly hybrid would last me longer than a poly multi? Im not a string breaker, and for the poly i use rpm blast
     
  47. Ronaldo

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    Depends on the tension loss of the poly. See guys use both combinations and never break strings.
     
  48. mikeler

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    For me, poly mains will last longer but I'll cut it out after 2 weeks anyways just to put fresh poly in.
     
  49. YesTennis

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    Mikeler- I had a demo with the new Babolat APD and really enjoyed the racquet. I noted in your earlier review that you really liked the Babolat Xcel. Any thought how this might be full bed in the APD? You get a free pack at TW with their current promo.
     
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    it will give you good power and great control and good spin. Xcle is a great string but not really better than other premium strings. Only Beef I have with this Xcel is that it is more expensive than other premium multis.

    I wish TW review this string, just as they have done with NRG2 and X-1
     

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