Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    I'm guessing that setup is close in firmness to B5E/MCS. The new Multifeel seemed quite stiff and even Torres knows that OGSM is stiff for a synthetic gut.
     
  2. Lukhas

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    Well got my PPA 17 at 48/45 today on my Blade 98 18*20 (2013). Took one of the two frames to the court to do few serves. Pretty nice I must say. A bit firm, but since it's brand new I kinda expected it. Last 4 serves before calling it a day. Broke it on a frame serve.
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    The upside is that I asked someone if he knew someone who could string it. Said yes, told me it was 5€, instead of 10€ for it in a shop. But yeah, I'm no string breaker by any measure so it feels really bad.
     
  3. bad_call

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    Lukhas - tough luck there. the OGSM/Multifeel 16 has given me 13 hrs or so before the string job has become unplayable. it looks quite the mess.

    suggest trying the Multifeel if PPA continues that behavior.
     
  4. Lukhas

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    ^First I'll think I'll go up a gauge towards 16, and wait for the second frame to have the tension settle a bit. But frame serve is kinda my fault too, but to do so on the last balls hurts.
     
  5. Ramon

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    16g is probably a good idea. I'm a string breaker, and I've broken 16g PPA at least 4 times prematurely on a shank. If I don't shank it, it will last a long time for a multi, so on a regular basis it should be a very cost effective string.
     
  6. Lukhas

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    ^What racquet do you use? Well, I have 3 packs left if I remove the one that's going to be strung, so hopefully 16G will wait a bit. I just need to stop to shank that badly on serves of all shots. Just got it out of the stringer to break it when I don't usually break strings. Tight on money as a student too.

    Guess I'll stop moaning here and go cry somewhere else.
     
  7. bad_call

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    i shanked so many balls last time out you'd think my name was mikeler... :) seriously tho if the string breaks that quickly even with shanking...time to find another string.
     
  8. Ramon

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    I use a Pro Kennex Ki 5x. It has a 16x20 pattern, 100 sq in head.

    I've shanked other strings too, including Pacific Classic. I've shanked it at the bottom, at the top, and on another racquet, so I know it's not the grommets. RIP Control 16 stands up pretty well, but I don't like it enough to keep using it. So I figured it's probably me and not so much the strings. I'm guessing that Monogut ZX will probably break far less often on shanks, and that's probably where I'm going next.
     
  9. MarkZepa

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    String reccomendations for 14 year old junior? 24+ hours a week.
    Very agressive
     
  10. Lukhas

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    Which frame it was already? Do you need spin? Rather soft, or rather firm? Rather crisp, or rather muted? Rather powerful, or not?

    The all-around string to start with is generally Prince Original S-Gut Duraflex. Because once you strung it once, you know what you want next, be it more power, spin, comfort, ect.
     
  11. Ramon

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    If you're a good player, I think you can skip the Prince Synthetic Gut. If you use a lot of spin, the movement of the strings will drive you crazy!

    Go to the first page of this thread, read the reviews, and pick something that seems to fit your game. All of these strings will be easier on your arm than poly.
     
  12. ls206

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    If you're not breaking strings - DNA is great. I couldn't fault it at all apart from the durability.
     
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    Had a good session with DNA 17 last night in three different frames. They were strung at 54 pounds by the same stringer on the same CP machine. The three frames strung were a Slazenger V98 Team, Head Graphene Speed MP, and an old Wilson Hammer 6.2.

    The DNA played a little firmer than I was expecting but ball response was very good and very predictable. While feeling firm, I had ZERO harshness from it in my arm. Spin was very good (for a multi), especially when serving. Power was middle-of-the-road for me, but I'd rather have the better control than power. Serves were a highlight and I was hitting my spots well, getting good hop of the court on topspin/kickers and decent swing on slices wide to the ad court (lefty.)

    The Graphene Speed MP has a VERY open 16x19 pattern and the strings started moving almost right away. I was having to adjust them regularly between points. The V98 Team has a tighter 16x19 pattern and string movement wasn't nearly as bad. The Skunk was somewhere in the middle of the two. Wear on the strings looked minimal, but by today's standards I'm a flatter hitter and have never been much of a string breaker. I imagine the string will hold up just as well as anything else I've hit with.

    Overall, very pleased. Thank you Mr. Mikeler for the indirect recommendation. I'm going to see how much it settles in over the next week, but if I were to string it again, I might be tempted to drop it two pounds to soften up the feel on volleys and increase the power slightly.

    I also had a Skunk strung up identically with PPA 17 but didn't get a chance to hit it enough to really compare. On first hit, it seems DNA and PPA play quite similarly with PPA moving around a little less.
     
  14. mikeler

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    Broke another set of Ashaway Monogut ZX last night on a shank. :(
     
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    Bad news! How long have you played with it?
     
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    Tube ZX!!!!
     
  17. Lukhas

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    Broke second set of PPA 17 on a shank off the return of serve. Two days two string jobs.
     
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    Different experience... PPA was actually one of the most durable multis I tried recently...

    PPA and FXP are the only two multis that's lasted more than 5-6 hours for me.
     
  19. bad_call

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    the "revised" version of multifeel has a thin solid core. the older version didn't have this core.
     
  20. Ramon

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    It's actually no surprise to me. I can see why both of you are right. I only use 16 gauge PPA because I'm a string breaker. I'll either break it in an hour on a shank, or if I'm lucky and don't hit any shanks, it will last over 10 hours. Most multis don't go over 5-8 hours for me.

    Overall, I think it's a good deal for the price, but always carry a spare.
     
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  21. MarkZepa

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    Wilson Pro Staff Six one 95 w/ volkl cyones @56
    I am very fussy about the feel of the string.. The string must feel beautiful and i do put spin but not a hell of a lot.. Lets just say my shots have 'moderate' spin on them.
    To answer your questions,
    Firm, i dont understand muted or crisp ( sorry to sound like an amatuer ) , and moderate power.
     
  22. Ross K

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    Looking for full multi job recommendations, please. Ideally looking for softish, crisp, medium powered, spin friendly performance. Frame is a TFight btw.

    Thanks


    Oh yes... Also, if I usually string full poly (like TB) @ 50 lbs, what is the correlating tension for a full multi job?
     
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  23. Lukhas

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    Muted, hun... That doesn't give a lot of feedback, not a lot of sensations, a bit spongy or pillowy, so to speak. Head RIP Control with slight prestretch then?
     
  24. Chotobaka

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    Isospeed Control Classic (16g). Terrific feel and good spin potential for a non-poly. Bonus: very little string movement. The Professional Classic (17g) offers a bit more power, strictly due to its thinner gauge. Feel is even better. You will not be disappointed.
     
  25. Ramon

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    Just warning you, a lot of people who like poly don't like multifilaments because they lose a lot of spin, and the power curve is different. Some people find it harder to take a full swing with multi because they can't get enough spin, and power at high swing speeds is high (poly seems to return less energy at higher swing speeds). Still, if poly hurts your arm it's best to stay away from it.

    You probably won't find much difference between any of the top choices on Mikeler's list. They will all feel soft and have more than enough power for you, but they might not have enough spin. You really just have to try one of them first and see if you can adjust to the difference. Prince Premier Attack is cheap, so that might be a good one to start with, and it plays like a typical multi, unlike RIP Control or Intellitour, which are very unique.
     
  26. newyorkstadium

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    Do you plan on reviewing the ZX, mikeler?
     
  27. mikeler

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    Probably 10 hours or so with some doubles mixed in on it.


    Are you switching to multis for comfort?


    I already reviewed it in the Ashaway playtest thread. I'm not sure if TW left that thread open or not.
     
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    Interesting as you've kind of nailed a few reasons why I've largely tended to stay with full polys, though I might not be 100% best suited to them (not a big string-breaker, for example)... Q. What would you recommend for those who indeed can't do without that spin and "power curve"?... Poly/multi hybrid?

    Generally experimentation purposes really, though, sure, comfort is a factor, as is wanting to access good zip and pop, feel, and what's mentioned above ^.
     
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    Poly/Multi is a very good alternative to full poly if you like poly but want a softer string bed.
    On a side note of the conversation I actually found a use for Power Fiber II outside of throwing them away. It plays very nicely as a cross for a poly. I crossed it with PLII in the mains in a blade 18X20 at 54/57 last night (out of boredom). I was very pleased with the results. They actually slide well on the poly, give good comfort, while adding some easy power.
     
  31. Ramon

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    I think full poly and poly/multi will give you that. Gut/poly is a little different. It gives you all that spin and more but a bit less on the "power curve", though the extra spin makes up for it somewhat. Gut/poly is better if you want some on demand power for put aways. If I used gut/poly I would probably change the poly out every 3 hours because I notice a big difference after that.

    I also liked the Mono ZX/Hexy hybrid I've been using because it has more spin than full multi and also has a poly-like "power curve", though the power in general is high. It's a good alternative for people with arm problems. I just strung up full Mono ZX last night, and I'm anxious to try it.
     
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    I have also been using a multi main with ZX crosses. It is pretty awesome, very powerful and I think it may be my weapon of choice for some time. Just trying to find the right multi now.
     
  33. mikeler

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    Ross K,

    Try my favorite setup. Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge mains with Genesis Thunder Blast crosses.
     
  34. Ross K

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    Thanks M - brilliant.
     
  35. ruud5

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    Somebody suggestion for best multi for BB Delta Core london?

    1 - comfort
    2 - spin
    3 - durability
    4 - power
     
  36. Ross K

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    Cheers Ramon - yes, I've dabbled a bit with gut/poly - to largely positive effect, but I think I do want to try poly/multis set ups now.
     
  37. Ross K

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    Okay, I'm sold on the idea!:)
     
  38. djNEiGht

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    I've had good success with...
    -Gamma Live Wire XP (comfort)
    -Technifibre TGV (power)
    -Prince PA (durability)

    Spin I felt was pretty close and the comments in parenthesis where what highlighted the string for me.
     
  39. mikeler

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    Will try out Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge mains with Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16 crosses this weekend.
     
  40. bad_call

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    so how was it?
     
  41. mikeler

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    I strung both strings at 52 pounds lockout. I wish I had put the Hexy Fiber in at 56. It does not seem like a multi that likes low tension. The setup is a little too springy for my liking.
     
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    too bad. nice to find strings similar in power so they "work" in a combo. maybe giving the combo some hit time will help.

    on another note tried 2 lbs lower cross tension for the multifeel and didn't care for it initially. however after it settled in it played great but is showing wear much faster than at 2 lbs higher cross tension.
     
  43. Ross K

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    @ mikeler

    Next set up - your rec. of Black5Edge (M) and Thunderblast (C) now purchased and the frame (TFight) will go off to stringers soon, but just wondering about tensions. What do you like or what are your thoughts/experiences on tensions re this hybrid?... BTW, for some sort of reference, I usually string full poly around 48-50 lbs.

    TIA
     
  44. mikeler

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    I've got a lot of time on the setup so I don't think it will get much better.


    In the Pure Storm Tour (non GT), I liked it at 48/52 on a lockout. In the PK 7G, I liked it better at 52/56. Even though the Exo Tour is low powered, 52/56 also seems to work well in that frame. Never tried the TFight (calling Power Player) so that is the best advice I can offer.
     
  45. mikeler

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    New Weiss Cannon multi is available called: WeissCANNON NewElement 500. A portion of the description says:

    "The durability is above average in the class and while this string makes a great full setup, it is also an interesting cross string when combined with poly-based mains like Silverstring and Black5Edge."

    Those marketing guys know how to feed my addiction.
     
  46. Ramon

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    Wish I had a dime for every time those claims were purely just marketing.
     
  47. Muppet

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    Hi Mikeler

    If you're going to try again with the Hexy Fiber cross, I'd recommend tensioning it 5 lbs. above the poly. My best combo with it has been Cyber Flash 1.25 @48 / Hexy Fiber 16 @53, dropweight. I got good top spin and slice and decent comfort with it strung in a Dunlop MW 200G 95. It's my go-to.
     
  48. mikeler

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    Me too.


    Good info, thanks.
     
  49. bad_call

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    need to check if loyalists get a discount. ;)
     
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    mikeler,

    just looked up the weisscannon site and found out that this new element 500 is more of a syngut than a multi - has a solid core and a layer of thinner monofilaments around it, so it's basically the construction of the more "advanced" synguts than a true multi.
    what scared me literally is that it is only available in 1.34mm, which is pretty thick. of course, when played as fullbed it might be reasonable, but since i only use such strings as crosses, for me it is out of question due to the diameter.
     

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