Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    850 Pro is crispy but I have not hit with it a whole lot. As for a crisp list, here goes:

    1) X1 Biphase
    2) Prince Premiere LT
    3) Genesis Thunder Blast
    4) Weiss Cannon Big Fantum
     
  2. blip

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    Thanks! I do like X1 and will give these a try.
     
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    Though I love x-1 biphase I don't think I'd play it in a Volkl V1. I was using it in a V10 Cat and it was great for about 2-3 hours then it started getting hot spots where sometimes the string would stick and sometimes slide and you would lose alot of control as the launch angle got variable. The Catapult system may have increased this effect but I'd still be wary.
     
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    Yea, since I've played X1, I'll try the others first. I still have some Discho I can use in between.
     
  5. mikeler

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    Prestretch the X1. You lose crispness and power but it holds tension better.
     
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    Hi Mikeler,i just wanted some advice from you if you have the time ;

    Just traded a Blade 98 18x20 and it came with rpm blast at 58lbs,and its pretty stiff and dead unless i really open up the can of whoop-@ss and hit hard on everything, so i want a string that opens up the sweetspot abit and thats not that stiff.

    I ordered Volkl cyclone 17 and tourna bhb7 17,both is supposed to be comfortable polys,but i also ordered a set of babolat xcel 16 for hybriding purposes.
    However,from reading your review of xcel i wonder if i just should try to string full xcel instead of bothering with hybriding ? If its spinny enough and has enough control it could be a softer alternative,or would it fray and stop to snap back too quickly?

    What do you think,is it "good enough" for full bed,or do you think i would lack too much spin and control coming from polys and hybrids ?
     
  7. mikeler

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    If RPM is stiff, then I would go for a hybrid with bhb7 or cyclone in the mains and xcel in the crosses. You'll get nice spin and control while softening up the strings for your arm. I like Genesis Thunder Blast white best as a cross string. You have a dense pattern, so if that is too stiff then try full Xcel after that or another one of my favorites in post #1 of this thread.
     
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    Speaking of X1 . . . Just put a new set of it in Sunday, had a great 1.5 hour hit today. That stuff felt fantastic. So literally in the last 2 minutes of court time I shanked a ball near the tip and SNAP. I guess if I keep doing that I don't have to worry about the dreaded rocket launcher phase (or having any money in my bank account) :-|
     
  9. mikeler

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    You need to see this thread then:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=492132
     
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    Third page? We can't have that - Bump.
     
  12. mikeler

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    You guys will have to bump it for me. I don't see myself going back to multis anytime soon with the new frames.
     
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    Glad you're doing well, but don't come crying looking for an elbow donor. :)
     
  14. mikeler

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    The elbow has never been better even after 3 months of full poly.
     
  15. mrmike

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    Wow, 15L poly at 60 lbs. That open pattern must be easy on the arm! Imagine what would happen if you put multi in that thing :)
     
  16. Matchball

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    It's not just the open pattern, it's also the Prince frame.
     
  17. Ronaldo

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    Not sure the Wilson frames are so forgiving
     
  18. mikeler

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    I tried a poly/multi hybrid and you get no feedback in this frame. Even full poly strung at 50# starts to feel a little too soft.


    Agreed, the flexibility combined with the very open pattern are a great combo on the arm. It is tough on the strings though. :)
     
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    Stiffness and Tension Loss

    It seems many string junkies propose that stiffness measurements and tension loss measurements are two of the best factors to use when comparing and ranking strings.

    For example, I really like string X and its stiff stiffness is 165, so if I am looking for some similar options that I might really like I should probably look in the 160s first and see if there is something with less tension loss that might have a better price/future (if string I liked was being discontinued).

    Someone proposed this line of thinking for the string amateur. Does this make sense for a place to start or are stiffness measures maybe not so relevant?

    I love this thread and I have read many pages, but not all of them. I am surprised that more of the comparisons were built around specific stiffness measures and the respective testers feedback on stiffness.

    Thoughts?
     
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    All Poly

    Interesting - I put all poly at 43 #s in a PK Ki5x and it was great with no arm pain.

    I tried all poly in my Steam 100 that I like better and the all poly didn't play well.

    I am playing all multi in the Steam 100 now and I love it, but I am having some arm issues.

    The arm issues might be from other factors though.

    Do you like the feel and volleys with all poly? I feel like poly goes dead too quickly and that the feel is poor and that forgiveness goes down.
     
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    I would have to give a shout out to Prince Premier Control 17 relative to Biphase for crispness and overall performance. If you like the way a poly stiffness and crispness feel, but want it a tad softer and towards a multi that is what I would say Premier Control is to me. It is durable too. Biphase is extremely good but Control just seems to have more spin, control, consistency, and durability in my opinion. The power and touch are sufficient IMO.

    I can't believe Control is $10 and that its stiffness rating is so low (160s). It doesn't feel or sound that way.
     
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    Now after trying the ORIGIN string for about 8 hours, 3 fresh string jobs. IT is NO where nearly as good as X-1 biphase. maybe more power but Feel and control is no where close to X-1
     
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    Dunlop Hexy Fiber

    I thought Hexy Fiber was too much on the soft mushy side for me. I could have tolerated it, but I didn't get the top spin that I thought it would have since it is thought of as a decent spin multi. I had it strung at 58, but it still seemed to have some trampoline action to it. It might be okay if you were playing everyday and/or had an arm problem.
     
  24. mikeler

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    Google how they do the stiffness tests. With so many strings to test, they can't setup elaborate ways that are extremely accurate. The data is helpful but should only be used as a guide. There are many cases where my arm does not agree with the ratings at all. The arm test is most important for me.


    I would dump the Steam. No frame is worth the pain (I should patent that phrase). In general, I don't like the feel from polys. That is certainly one weakness with full poly setups.


    You are not going to get much more spin from a multi than Hexy Fiber. Perhaps Head RIP Control has a tad more.
     
  25. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I saw a string in a different local shop on the other side of town with a 1.34mm multi named Multitex sufix. Anybody out there try this one?
     
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    I haven't checked out this Multi thread for a long time. The co-poly strings are so soft and spin friendly these days that I can't envision a scenario that I would purchase of these type of strings. Don't get me wrong, I loved X-1 Bi-Phase, one of the best strings ever produced, but for a 4.5 player or greater with long, developed strokes, the two or three sets that you get from these multis is not enough. The lack of control as well as having the strings sliding all over the place is not worth the nice "feel" that you naturally get from them. There is a reason why Mikeler is now reviewing Co-Poly strings in full force.
     
  27. mikeler

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    Yep, polys have come a long way the last few years in terms of being more arm friendly.
     
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    Gosen AK Control

    Has anyone hit Gosen AK Control?

    The "spin rating" is high and it is on the softer side. It is marketed as spin and directional control.

    As popular as Micro Sheep is I am surprised that Gosen's other multis haven't received more test (maybe they have but not many customer reviews and I can't find much info on TT).

    Thanks for the help.
     
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    ^^^

    I've not had real good experiences with Gosen strings to date and I have not tried that one.
     
  32. SCRAP IRON

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    The Gosen strings are durable and crisp. You may find that to your liking because the Hexy Fiber felt mushy to you. Gosen's are synthetic guts and they are worth a try if the multis are too soft for your tastes. I would go with the AK Pro "CX" version instead of the AK Pro.
     
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    Mikeler, what do you think of PPA vs Acura Control? I found them very similar. I couldn't really notice much difference.
     
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    Received a set of the CX version just today - will most probably test it on Head GSP.
     
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    I tried Acura Control in the 17g version. Most 17g multis are a little too springy for me but Acura Control was actually pretty good for a 17g.
     
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    Hey Mikeler, so I finally tried the premier attack 17 as crosses with rpm 17 as main at 45/47lbs. I thought that in my18/20 racquet had not much power to offer but all the rest was good.
    However, I really enjoied the head FXP control 17 at the same tension which has in my opinion a more power and touch and more spin production.
    If you would suggest me something a bit more powerful than FXP control what string would it be?
     
  37. mikeler

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    Check out post 2 for my top 3 lists. Add Genesis Xplosion and Gamma TNT to that list.
     
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    Great....thanks
     
  39. GlenK

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    This has probably been posted in here before but do you pre-stretch your multi's?

    How about pull speed and stretch time while stringing, any set practices on those?
     
  40. mikeler

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    The only multi I pre stretched was X1 the 2nd time I used it and it really helped with tension maintenance but robbed the string of some power. I have a lockout, so I just pull it and clamp.
     
  41. GlenK

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    OK, thanks.. One of my customers uses X1 and I have not been pre-stretching it. He seems ok with the tensions my job is delivering but I'll discuss it with him..
     
  42. mikeler

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    I would not prestretch it unless he complains about the tension maintenance.
     
  43. GlenK

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    OK, thanks!!!
     
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    please rate these strings in power. in order. babolat Origin, Babolat Xcel, Babolat Xcel power. thanks
     
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    Origin has more power than Xcel. If you would check post #1, you'll see I have not tried Xcel Power.
     
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    what has other people told you about Xcel power ?
     
  47. mikeler

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    They has told me nuthin.
     
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    Alpha 2000

    Alpha 2000 18 = THE BOMB for me at 58 in a 16 X 20 Steam 100 - 2012

    Has to be on the short list as it is good at everything

    Feel = 9 - an absolute dream and very arm friendly after 15 minutes
    Spin = 8.75 - best spin of multis so far and somewhere around PPC
    Control = 9 - great control
    Power = moderate - exactly what works for me
    Durability = seems reasonable for 18 after 3 hours as I am hitting a 16 X 20 and I hit a good bit of spin
    Ground strokes = 9 - I have never hit so many big shots with such confidence
    Slices = 8.5
    Volleys = 9.5 - best I have ever hit my volleys
    Serve = 8 - my arm is beat up right now so it is hard to tell

    For me, I rank this 18 g well over 17g RIP Control, PPC, Hexy, Forten, NRG, and Bi-phase.

    Screaming value compared to everything else...

    Got about 4 more strings to try, but would be shocked if something is better than Alpha 2000 for me, but I said that after PPC and RIP.
     
  49. Ronaldo

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    How long has it lasted?
     
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    Curious as well, but not because I haven't tried it.

    I agree it's a great value for the money, but the few times I tried it, it dies rather quickly; soft and wonderful to start, and then by match 2 or 3 you think you have a different string - it becomes lifeless, and the plush ride you thought you had becomes a dull, powerless stringbed.

    I wanted to love it due to the price, and thought, ok I'll just restring it every couple matches, it's cheap enough... but then I realized I can do that with poly and get way better performance.

    Still a good string for the money, if you string your own. Otherwise it just doesn't last well over time, it dies and/or breaks fast.
     

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