Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    One more thing I forgot to mention. Last night my opponent commented on how much spin I was getting with the RIP Control. He runs around his backhand a lot and will normally tee off on my 2nd serve if I don't place it well, but last night it was kicking up so high that even when he ran around his backhand he could not do much with it.
     
  2. Kcraig

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    Good info. So if you had to choose so far in your search--what are you liking the best? Sounds like the you got back some touch you were missing first go with the RIP. How is the RIP's power level compared to the Max Touch Classic 17g you were using before?
     
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    Is Rip Control a multi or syngut? Is it called "control" because it's low powered or because its spin friendly? Also, it it "soft" or "crisp" feeling?
     
  4. Kcraig

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    All sounding real dang positive so far!! Who would've thunk it.
     
  5. JT_2eighty

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    It's a multi, while also low powered yet soft to the arm. IME it's not a "spin" string per se, but spin is not difficult to generate with it at all. By all means a truly unique string in terms of construction, materials and playability. As some would say the basic string categories are syn gut, multifilament, polyester, nylon, natural gut, and RIP.

    Hopefully posting this pic here is permitted, as this site doesn't sell strings, so should be ok? RIP Control:
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  6. Kcraig

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    JT--in your sig it has RIP "feel"--is that because it is the 17g version. So 16g is "Control" and 17g is "Feel"? How is the RIP cross in terms of controlling string movement of gut mains. That is one of the reasons I really enjoy the poly cross, but as you stated in another thread--that poly is dead at about the 8hr mark, whereas I still have 5-7hrs more life in the gut!! Thx.

    I have a set of RIP Control coming in today (UPS man should be walking in office any moment:) ) and I was considering hyrbiding with the Mantis mains, but now am considering going full RIP. Never thought much of this or really any of Head's strings.
     
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  7. SteveI

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    Hi Mikeler,

    Interesting...Can't wait for more details
     
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  8. JT_2eighty

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    No, it's a different string altogether. It only comes as a hybrid in the Intellitour and Intellistring packs. RIP feel has no core, while RIP Control, RIP Tour (Intellitour main), and RIP Power (Intellistring main) all have variations on the multifilament core with Ribbon outer wraps. RIP Feel is the Ribbon wrap all the way through:

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  9. mikeler

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    I'll just repeat what I said in our e-mail exchange:

    "If the Mantis lasted longer, it would still be my favorite. I feel more confident with my ground strokes and drop shots using it than the RIP Control. I think the RIP Control allows me to hit harder serves, better volleys and get more spin. So your hybrid idea if it works might be my perfect setup."

    RIP is lower powered than Max Touch Classic 17g.
     
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    It is low powered and spin friendly for a multi. I would say the feeling is very muted, like a poly but without any shocks to the arm.
     
  11. Kcraig

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    So do you buy the hybrid pack just for the 1/2 set???
     
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    Kind of sucks that the Intellitour comes in 22' and 18' lengths. I need 19' for my crosses. I do own a starting clamp but I'd rather not chance that the string won't reach.
     
  13. JT_2eighty

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    Yes. Luckily a friend of mine likes the RIP Tour in a full bed, but yea, I do. I did finally find a reel of RIP Feel on the bay, so I may go that route eventually.

    I've used RIP Feel in my mains before, in my 18 main stick that requires 21'. It stretches well enough to fit there (21'), even at 52 lbs., so you would be fine with your 19'.
     
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    Is RIP feel the 18' portion?
     
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    Yep. I've used it in my mains on my dropweight, and I didn't have to resort to starting clamp bridging. I just stumbled into this one night, I decided to replace the RIP Tour mains with ToughGut, and voila--the feel and playability was amazing for me; the 'wow' factor just hit me like no other setup. Then I just had to talk my friend into trying full Tour instead of RIP Control, and he actually prefers the Tour over RIP Control, so buying the hybrid packs is not bad for me.
     
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    I think I remember reading that many people reverse the recommended mains and crosses with Intellitour. Any thoughts on that?
     
  17. JT_2eighty

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    I am one of those people, actually. It's a softer feel than the recommended setup, and for me was amazing for doubles and flatter-hitting, not that great for spin; string movement is bad, durability is better. At the net, I could redirect and control the heaviest ball with ease. The only string I hit a better dropper with was kevlar/gut hybrid.
     
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    My son is with Grandma tonight. Perfect night to string some Quasi Gut. For some reason, my wife thought it would be more fun to go out to dinner rather than watch me string. :)
     
  19. JT_2eighty

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    Nice, looking forward to the Quasi review. And we can finally move on from my intellitour derailment :D
     
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    Not a derailment at all! I should have named the thread something more general, all multi discussion is welcome.

    Got an e-mail from the guy last night about all the topspin I was generating. I have played this guy for years with all kinds of setups so it is good to hear that again.
     
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    I didn't measure the RIP Feel section from the Intellistring packs, but when I strung it in crosses there seemed to be a lot more that 18' because there was a bunch left over. The TW review said it measured 21'9". I have a few more packs and will measure the sets next time I open one.
     
  22. mikeler

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    Ok, thanks. I would be curious to know.
     
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    Got to string up the Quasi tonight. Looking forward to playtesting it tomorrow.
     
  24. Kcraig

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    Well after reading all the great info in this thread I went and took hopefully the "best of both worlds" and strung up a stick with Mantis Comfort 16g mains/RIP Control 16g crosses at 58/56. The combo looks pretty cool with the natural/cream mains and blk/white swirled crosses. Hit some ltd volleys tonight against garage and feel is really nice and soft/plush. Hope to hit soon with it, but will be cheering on the Cocks tomorrow at the Brice--Go Cocks!!!:)
     
  25. mikeler

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    Looking forward to hearing more about the setup. Leave your Gamecocks card at the door, it is not welcome in this thread. :)
     
  26. mikeler

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    Just posted my initial Tourna Quasi Gut review. I bought some Technifibre MultiFeel 16 and Head Intellitour 16 after my match. I'm going to try and string the Intellitour today if I can.
     
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    Strung up the Head Intellitour today. Will post my review tomorrow. I already added my thoughts on stringing it.
     
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    have you guys seen my new thread?
     
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    This thread is about multis, not polys.
     
  30. Kcraig

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    Go bulldogs--LOL:) Def interested in your hit with Intellitour. I will be hitting tomorrow am with the Mantis/RIP combo so will post comments. Thx
     
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    Mikeler just my 2 cents on TF mulitfeel:
    It is really crisp feeling; solid on volley and serves; my ground strokes were very coming in with a decent amount of spin to them.
    I have used polys in the past which really were killing my arm so I made the switch to multis. Tecnifibre Multifeel is a comfortable, soft but very lively playing string. The ball just seems to fly off the racket, especially nailing it right on the sweet spot, and it felt like a hot knife going through butter.
    Even playing on clay courts, the strings didn't move a lot or at all! Which was great!
    These are now my choice for multis!
     
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    Hope you dont mind me adding this about another multi, Gamma Livewire Professional:
    The strings felt great after the first initial hour or so, then the strings danced all over the place in the racket to their own music. On the clay courts where I played with them they moved like crazy and it was a hassle to adjust back into position. My strokes felt that good overall but it lacked the punch. The spin was there but with the strings moving, it was hard to keep it going.
     
  33. Bartelby

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    Somewhat possessive!


     
  34. mikeler

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    That one is next on the list.
     
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    I added an Intellitour review just now. It's definitely one to try.
     
  36. Kcraig

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    Mantis Comfort/RIP Control Hybrid Review

    Well I finally had the chance to take out my new setup of Mantis Comfort mains crossed with RIP Control both 16g strung at 58/56#. Strung up on a Bab Star 4 in one of my Prince Diablo MPs w/ 5g lead at 3.5/9.5 Final specs are 342g/7pts HL. I would like to thank Mikeler for starting this thread--it is a great thread full of information!! After reading his review/feedback and corresponding some via email, I thought a combo of Mantis crossed with RIP could be a perfect fit--I was RIGHT!! :)

    As a way of background-I have been playing a combo of Pacific Gut/Polyforce hybrid now for several months and really like that setup--but of course looking for a slightly cheaper alternative and also looking for a more "tension holding" cross string. The Polyforce is great for about the first 6-8hrs, but then drops tension rapidly!!! This setup usually yields about 15+hrs and plays pretty well from start to finish (I add stringsavers at about the 8+hr mark to weak spots) I am a 4.5 singles baseliner, but have been playing alot more dubs of late. SW fh grip with moderate top and a 2hb and 1hb slice. My main objectives in a string are control/low pwrd and minimal string movement. I like to provide my own pop. Conditions today were perfect!! Sunny and about 60*. Played on hardcourts with a 4.5 buddy of mine--2hrs. Then hit another 1hr or so with wife/dubs.

    REVIEW:
    Feel/Appearance: First off, the butter color mains and blk/white crosses look pretty cool! Wasn't sure on the RIP color at first, but looks cool in this hybrid. The feel of this setup is as plush if not plusher than the gut/poly. There is absolutely ZERO pinging/tinny sound and just feels solid all over the face. It is certainly one of the very best feeling setups I have ever hit. Zero break in time--plush from ball 1. Ball dwell time was endless.

    Spin/Pop/Control: Well as good as this felt, I thought for sure the control would be lacking. WRONG. It was a little cool when we started, so depth struggled, but I never mind that. I would rather have to swing a little harder than hold back if everything was flying long. As mentioned above, due to the great dwell time, the spin/control was very good!!! Easily as much spin as the gut/poly setup. Really felt I was in complete control of the ball in terms of placement. Once I figured out the depth, control was literally pinpoint--esp on inside out forehands--one of my fav shot with this setup. Pwer level was a little lower than one would expect from a "all multi" setup. Could have easily dropped tension a lb or two.

    Groundstrokes/Volleys/Touch Shots:
    Well off the ground this string was wonderful as described. Both wings were just dialed in. Another shot working well today was a 1hbslice up the line that would hit and then kick out left a ft or so and setup an easy put away volley to open court. Volleys are truly where this was pure joy. As Mikeler stated in his initial RIP review, volleys were his best part. No matter where I made contact, it just felt good. No jarring, pinging or loss of pop. Really felt as if the sweetspot was expanded--thought I was playing with a 110" instead of a std MP 100"! Mikeler's one negative on the RIP was on drop shots/touch shots. So I made it a point to hit several today. Well buddy--I think adding the Mantis smooth buttery string to the mains may be the solution to your problem. I hit some nasty drops and touch volleys--I literally turned around and started laughing. Some were just "wrong!"

    Serves:
    I only hit a few games of serves today and all seemed about on par with my normal setup. Maybe a little less pop. Good spin and directional control. I can tell that the multi setup weighs less than the Tough Gut/Polyforce which makes the whole hoop feel lighter and easier to really whip around. (Tough Gut is easily a good 2-3+g heavier than polys). Could easily go with a touch more lead to add pop.

    Sting movement/Durability:
    Very little movement. Of course it was more so than the gut/poly, but the RIP crosses seemed to do a nice job of locking in the smooth Mantis mains. Adjusting/straightening was very easy so the "little" bit of movement there was did not cause any concern for me. Obviously this was a first hit, so we'll have to see how it holds up over time. There is little notching and no fraying at this point. Will be interested to see how durability is with this setup. But so far it is a keeper--atleast as a "wet weather" stick.

    I plan on taking a 1/2 set of Tough Gut and stringing the RIP in the crosses at the same tension. If it is this good with Mantis mains, it will be a complete dream with natty gut mains as the RIP definately seems to be a very low pwrd, tension holding, minimal moving synthetic string that could be far superior to the tension dropping poly I am used to using. If you are looking for a nice "cheaper" alternative to a gut/poly setup and want some good control with excellend arm friednliness I def recommend this setup. Good luck and sorry for being so long-winded:)
     
  37. mctennis

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    Sounds great so far. I use gut mains and TiMO crosses. I just received the Mantis strings and should order some RIP strings if your setup stays as good as it sounds through a few more hours of play. I've been using my setup for years since I finally found one that worked for me. If your setup stays as nice I may switch.
    Thanks for posting Kcraig.
     
  38. Ennismt

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    I wonder if the Mantis/RIP Control would play similar to Intellistring (as opposed to Intellitour) with its multi main and RIP-like cross? Anyone able to comment on the play of Intellistring?
     
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    Possibly, but the intellistring (not tour) is a 17g version, so durability would be a concern. The Mantis is 1.30 and RIP Control 16g measures 1.38 per USRSA tables.
     
  40. GameSetMatch

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    Mikeler - thanks for the reviews on the various strings. Just one point, you mention 'rocket launcher' a few times. I just wonder whether your racquet is a contributory factor in that because PST (c350g) + lead + leather + open pattern does make for a certain 'rocket launcher' potential if you don't get it right every time, particularly when you mix that in with a fairly powerful multi.
     
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    Good point, thanks. I may like the intellistring b/c I play an 18x20 and don't need the durability. I may give it a shot. I think I did play it once and liked it.
     
  42. mikeler

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    It is a fairly flexible frame though and I never got this effect with the Mantis strings. I literally hit just a few balls further than 5 feet past the baseline with this string. Those were all on balls where I put everything I had into the shot.

    What I'm talking about is when I'm just trying to loop back a topspin shot which I call a rally ball because I'm not going for a winner. Sometimes when I catch it in the sweetspot with some of these strings it feels like a slingshot. Luckily I don't hit the sweetspot much. :)
     
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    KCraig,

    Awesome review. I'm definitely going to try this hybrid. I may put the RIP Control in the mains to get more spin and better durability. Definitely keep us posted as you play more with it. Thanks for reminding me to post a comment about the softness of the Intellitour which I just added.
     
  44. Kcraig

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    Thanks--RIP mains should also be nice since both strings are pretty soft. I was taking a closer look at the strings last night and was really amazed how straight they were! Granted I had a few adjustments here and there--but there was never the big gaping hole like you sometimes get with full multi or syn gut. Actually, I had more string movement from Polyforce/PMX than this setup. Will def keep a close eye on durability--thx
     
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    OK, I'll definitely have to try this setup.
     
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    Mantis/RIP round 2

    Was able to get out tonight and play another 3 sets of 8.5 dubs with the Mantis/RIP setup. Conditions were not ideal as we played on soft/damp cool clay courts so the balls were heavy and pop/spin was a little difficult to come by. The Mantis/RIP did not dissapoint in rnd 2. Was a little nervous going into this hit tonight that I had "overhyped" this setup-but I really have not, atleast for myself. This easily goes down as a top 3 stbring in terms of feel--no question and could possibly be even #1 (may reserve this spot for the ToughGut/RIP that is coming later this week-as I drool on the keyboard). Volleys once again are just great with this setup as are all touch shots. String movement was a tad more, but you would certainly expect that as we were practically playing with small medicine balls! This being said I could easily go 2-3+ points with no adjustments and even then they were very minor, plus all adjustments were easy as pie to make and dont kill your fingers. Was able to serve alot more tonight and strings did not disappoint. Nice kickers and also flat ones as well. Just FUN playing with this setup:)

    Unless the ToughGut/RIP just blows me away leaps and bounds, this WILL be my setup. It is really that nice for me:twisted:
     
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    Oh man, now I'm getting really excited about trying this out!
     
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    I just strung my babys with full rip control. I've decided to try it. It costed 15€ for one set. It's a steal in the local stores. If i like it i will order 10 sets from TW as it's cheap here.
    Gonna hit asap and see how it goes..


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    Looks good!! Keep us posted on the results. I was very surprised by the results from the RIP Control. Definately a unique string to say the least.
     
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    It's a full job o Head Rip Control
     

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