Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    I'll be curious to hear your thoughts. If you like spin, this is a great multi for that.
     
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    Just came back from the practice.
    It was cold out there around 10ºC and the ball was boucing low because the claycourts were damp thanks to heavy rain during the weekend.

    I use to strung at 21kgs and i've heard that rip control is very low-powered but i still went for 21kgs.

    I started hitting and it was strange because i didn't had any deepth at all but i was amazed because the string is very comfortable and i didn't found it boardy at all.
    I started to adjust the string and started to get more deepth.

    I liked the spin, the comfort was great but what really suprised me was the control... Amazing! I could spin the ball and keep it in i could go for a open stance flat winner DTL with my forehand and put it where i wanted without any problem.

    At this point me and my hitting partner decided to play some tiebreaks and i thinked to myself "I'm gonna get my ass kicked because i won't be able to get any power from my first serve".
    I lived up to find out how much wrong i was... Normally when i play at high tensions with other strings they just feel boardy and i can't even know when i hit the sweetspot. But when i started to serve it looked like another string. I could send effortless bombs (according to my standarts) thanks to the pop of the stringbed. I was in shock because i thought it would only be possible with polys.
    As long as volleys go.. I'm amazed too. I was producing some amazing stop-volleys thanks to the crispy stringbed.

    Touch and feel were just normal. I can live with that.
    It will be my standart string from now one. I can get the same i get from poly without any arm pain. AWESOME.
    Next time i think i will just string at 20.5kgs or 20kgs instead of 21.

    P.S. Mikeler i would like to ask you could post a picture of the string in your racquet if you are using the black version of the string.
     
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  3. Kcraig

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    Nice review! I think the strings will only get better from this point forward since they will have some time to settle a bit.
     
  4. russell

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    Great job on the reviews. RIP control 17 is definitely one of my favorite strings to play and now I can't resist on trying Mantis synthetic with all the praise its been getting.

    Kcraig, I know the inspiration for the Mantis/RIP hybrid was the mushiness of an all-mantis setup. Did the hybrid play livelier than the full job of mantis? You compared the feel of Mantis to WC Explosiv, which I played in a 100 sq. in. 16x19 frame and other than the insane string movement (probably due to the stuff they coat it with) it played great. I ultimately ended up passing on Explosiv since I wouldn't have time to play much (I already spend a lot of time fetching tennis balls and I just couldn't work any more time for string straightening with Explosiv). Did you find the Mantis moves just as much?

    It would be interesting to compare this setup to its reverse. Anyways, can't wait to to hear mikeler's thoughts on RIP/Mantis or Mantis/RIP, whichever he's going to try.
     
  5. Kcraig

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    I have had the Explosiv in my Diablo last year and then had a full bed of Mantis earlier this summer in a Pacific XForce Pro and the string movement was a bit annoying and definately left me with some big gaping holes. The RIP definatley seemed to "hold" things in place--even in my 100" 16x18 frame. The RIP seemed to provide just enough crispness to the Mantis with no detrimental effects to touch/pop/feel and no minimizing of the sweetspot which I sometimes experience with poly. Everything always feels good in the "sweetspot"--but with me I can tell a big difference with poly in terms of pop/forgiveness outside the "spot." To use a golf analogy--imagine hitting blades (irons) which is full poly and then going to forgiving cavity backs--gut or multi. Hope this makes sense.
     
  6. mikeler

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    Sounds like you had the same impressions as KCraig and I of this string. I can take a picture tonight. Here is what the string looks like on it's own and the racket on it's own:

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  7. mikeler

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    I will be trying the setup in reverse so RIP 16 in the mains with Mantis 16 in the crosses. I need to bust out a set of strings first since I like the 3 setups I'm playing with now, I don't want to cut them just yet. I'll probably place my TW order today so I get the string on Friday. My best guess is that I won't get to test this hybrid until the weekend 10 days from now.
     
  8. Bartelby

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    The possessive 'its' is in order here not the contraction 'it's'.





     
  9. Kcraig

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    What is the purpose of this post?? This is not a "proper English" message board--this is totally uncalled for and does not contribute at all to what people come here to read/learn in my opinion--:-? Thx
     
  10. mikeler

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    Pulled the trigger and bought a reel of the Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 from TW. I also bought one set of RIP Control. It's quite possible I'll try the hybrid both ways, but I think RIP in the mains would be far more durable. Like I mentioned in my write-up, it took two clips just to cut this string so I think the durability is going to be very good.
     
  11. Kcraig

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    UPDATE: Hit 11/3/10 at night-1hr45min of singles on heavy damp clay again. Strings are starting to move a bit more now,but that is expected due to the damp conditions/clay/heavy balls. Now have 7hrs on this setup and the RIP crosses are starting to fray a bit. Think I may have 2+/- more hrs left in this job before popping--which is good as the playability is beginning to suffer just a tad. Certainly the conditions the last two times out play a major factor in the wear/tear and playability. On straight hard courts, playability would be better. My elbow needed some icing last night as I was pounding what felt to be baseballs instead of tennis balls:shock: OUCH!
     
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  12. mikeler

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    I started out last night warming up with Quasi Gut. I had beaten the same guy on Saturday pretty badly with that string, so I figured I'd give it a 2nd look. At the end of the warmup, I was getting too many twinges in my elbow with this string so I put it back in the bag.

    I then decided to pull out the RIP Control. After the first few games, I was regretting that I bought a reel of Mantis. My flat serves and kick serves were just so good. Drop shots were better with the string softening up some. But......

    Then I started hitting a number of balls long and I remembered why I loved the Mantis. It just seemed like it was so hard to hit the ball long with this string. I just got confirmation that the Mantis will be here tomorrow, so I'll probably cut out the Quasi on Saturday and try the RIP/Mantis hybrid on Sunday. If I don't like that as much as a full job of Mantis, then I'm done for a little while and will stick with full jobs of Mantis at least until my annual club tournament in mid December.
     
  13. Kcraig

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    Most important question here is: Did you work that guy again??:twisted:

    I will be shocked if you don't like the RIP/MANTIS setup. How many hrs do you currently have on your RIP setup?
     
  14. mikeler

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    I did not work the guy this time. I had a comfortable first set and then was down 3-0 in the 2nd set TB when he hit a ball just an inch long. Had it been on a hard court, I would have probably played it. Won the next 6 points after that.

    I've got 6 long sets with the RIP. It still looks pretty good but I'm starting to see a few weak spots. My guess is that I probably have another 5 or 6 sets before breakage. I'll play with it again on Saturday. I'm definitely seeing some notching on the Quasi. My guess would be that it lasts about 8 sets for me.

    You said the RIP crosses were going on your setup. That's surprising to me because it seems more durable than the Mantis especially with the Mantis in the mains.
     
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  15. Kcraig

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    Very light wear on the RIP crosses--just a few spots. The Mantis looks good--no fraying. Just some string movement.
     
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    My heavy topspin must be what is doing in the Mantis. I'll be curious to see how it behaves with the RIP.
     
  17. Kcraig

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    I definatley hit more of a SW flatter FH than full western Rafa-like. Also I hit alot of 1hb slices in rally points--more 2hb topspin on passers/returns.
     
  18. mikeler

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    Good to know. I rarely flatten out my forehand except on passing shots. Most of the time I put a lot of topspin on it. I typically only slice my 1 hander when I'm out of position. Otherwise I like to put a lot of topspin on my backhand too. Throw in a heavy kick 2nd serve and you have a recipe for string breaking. :-?
     
  19. mikeler

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    I played a dominant match today with the Intellitour. Felt a few elbow tweaks but that is definitely a nice soft multi hybrid. I've got my string lengths cut and my racket mounted to try my RIP/Mantis combo. I'll string that up later this afternoon. I was much more careful with the RIP this time and had few problems uncoiling, just a few minor kinks that came out easily. It's amazing feeling the two strings side by side. The Mantis is just so limp while the RIP is so wiry. Should get a chance to try it out tomorrow morning.
     
  20. bad_call

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    mikeler - might need a recommendation for durable multi string cause the polys feel harder in cooler temps.
     
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    Every string feels harder in the cold. I have 6 sets on RIP Control and I think it could easily go another 6 sets. I strung up my hybrid today. Worst case I go to all Mantis with string savers.
     
  22. GameSetMatch

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    With all these twinges which you say you're getting go your arm, I think you're mad to keep on playing because it's a sign of an underlying injury. Have you had your strokes checked out for technique that might be making you susceptible to injury?
     
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    I explained my injury history earlier in the thread (I think). To sum up again, it was an acute injury that started my elbow problems. I played almost 10 years at various stages in my life without a problem. When I say twinge, it barely hurts and lasts a second or two.
     
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    So I played with RIP Control 16 in the mains and Mantis Comfort 16 in the crosses. Temps were about 50 when I hit the courts. My hope was that this hybrid would combine the best parts of each string. Unfortunately that was mostly not the case.

    Let me backup a little before I get into my review. I played a big server/hitter today and dominated the first set 6-1. This was the same guy who was complaining about all the spin I got out of the RIP full job a few weeks back. This time he was complaining that I only made 2 unforced errors the entire set. The next set he got up 5-2 playing some terrific power tennis but I was able to run out the next 5 games.

    So the control of this setup is top notch. Like a full Mantis job, when I hit long, the ball missed usually by no more than 2 feet behind the baseline. It definitely did not have the spin of the full RIP job nor the touch of the full Mantis job. I'd say spin was on par with the Intellitour which is a similar hybrid using the softer string in the crosses. Touch was not as good as the Intellitour but control was a little better. I hit one drop shot where a bystander asked me "Was that supposed to be a drop shot?". That's bad!

    I've got the other half set of RIP that I may try as the KCraig setup. My annual club tournament is a month away, so I may defer that setup untl after then. Once I break the full RIP, Intellitour and my RIP/Mantis hybrid, I'm going to use an all Mantis setup for my tournament. It will probably be best for my elbow to use the most comfortable string in the cold weather season anyways. I may keep one racket with RIP Control in it just in case I go up against guys that like to tee off on my 2nd serve. Cost is around $9 for this hybrid.
     
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  25. GameSetMatch

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    This guy sounds like a right noob! No disrespect intended to you but its not as if he's playing Nadal with a ful set of poly! And if he's such a big server, how come he can only hold his serve once in an entire set?

    Different strokes for different folks, I guess, but I always setup my strings so that if I'm hitting at 100%, the ball's landing around the baseline. I guess its more difficult to set things up in that way with a full bed multi, and I guess that's also the difference between 18x20 v 16x20.

    Good write on these various strings Mikeler. In a nutshell, would it be fair to say that based on your experiences, RIP was good for spin and control, and Mantis was good for comfort and touch? Of all the multis that you've tried including the ones in this thread, how would you rank them in terms of preference?
     
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    I had owned this guy until my recent slump and then he started taking it to me by playing smarter tennis. He served decent in the first set but the setup had so much control that if I could get my strings on it, the ball was going back deep even if it floated. He was really getting frustrated saying "I guess I just have to expect that if you can get there, every ball you hit will come back". He then proceeded to call me the Club pusher's name on Steroids because if he hit it short I was all over it. The 2nd set, he started hitting the corners and there were a lot of returns I could not get the frame on.

    You have it almost correct, but the Mantis has even more control than the RIP. So my order of preference would be as below. Numbers 2 and 3 are neck and neck though and not too far behind #1.

    1. Mantis Comfort Synthetic
    2. Head RIP Control
    3. Head Intellitour
    4. Tourna Quasi GUt
    5. Pro Supex Maxim Touch
    6. Isospeed Control
     
  27. GameSetMatch

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    Interesting that you rank Comfort Synthetic so highly. The only Mantis string I've played with is the Power Synthetic when it first came out (I opted for that over the CS simply because of the thinner gauge) and thought it was hideously overpowered with little control.

    Where would you place the classic multis such as Xcel (an excellent multi IMO) amongst that list?
     
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  28. mikeler

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    I won't use any string now with the word "power" in the name.
     
  29. GameSetMatch

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    It doesn't have 'Power' in its name. Xcel Power is a different string. I'm talking about the normal Xcel which has been around for years.
     
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    I was referring to Mantis Power Synthetic.

    I forgot to mention, the RIP really stayed in place today. The Mantis moved some though.
     
  31. GameSetMatch

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    Xcel, the grand daddy of them all, is the missing string in this test. Any chance you'll do comparison?
     
  32. Ennismt

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    I asked for a comparison to Xcel earlier. To Mikeler's credit he has been focusing less expensive multi's. I was hoping for a comparison to something like NXT or Xcel since I had not tried any of the strings tested here. Still this thread has been very useful.
     
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    While I'd love to try Xcel and NXT, I break strings too often to justify the expense of using those strings over the long term. A buddy of mine uses NXT for his shoulder. I'll try and hit a few balls with his frame next time we play but that may not be for a few weeks. Of course, he has a much lighter frame than me and it is a Head while I use Babolat so it would not be an exact comparison.

    This cold weather is definitely not elbow friendly which is another reason why I need to stick with the Mantis for now. It is just so comfortable. I was messing around yesterday and hit a few left handed serves and forehands. I even felt a dull ache in my left elbow this morning, so I think I'm just getting old and have to really do everything I can to protect my elbows so I can stay on the court.
     
  34. Kcraig

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    Well I finally had a chance to take out my anticipated hit strung with Pacific Tough Gut 16L/RIP Control hybrid strung at 58# in order to compare it to the "poor man's" setup of Mantis/RIP--well the POOR MAN WON!!

    Started earlier in the day just hitting some volleys against the garage wall and it seemed nice, but noticed some string movement even just with volleys. Feel was nice and plush as one would expect, but believe it or not, not as solid feeling as the Mantis/RIP. Then went and hit some groundies with a solid 5.0 neighbor of mine. About 1hr or so of baseline games. Nice feel and pop, but spin was a little lacking and the string movement was concerning seeing that it was a first hit and I knew it would only get worse over time. Volleys and touch shots were very nice. I did not hit any serves. The WOW factor was just not there!??! And when I'm going to use or pay that much I need to be wowed!! I have that factor with the GUT/POLY--but that goes by the wayside after the poly begins to die (8hr mark). Funny thing is I went back and compared to my Mantis/RIP setup that now has about 7.5hrs on it and I didn't put it down! There is definately more string movement going on here now, but still very playable and feel/touch is great. I am still able to generate plenty of spin, which I think is due to the confidence I have in the setup allowing me to hit more aggresively through the ball. This setup for whatever reason provides pinpount accuracy and exceptional feel and I have been WOWED by this setup since the very first ball! Looks like I was able to save myself some $$$.

    I will certainly keep the GUT/RIP strung up and play with here and there to give it a fair shake, but for the price it did not blow me away like I was expecting--
     
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    I'm not too surprised that you like the Mantis better. It's so low powered and gut is high powered, so they should play differently. Thanks for alerting me to this, but I think we may have talked up the Mantis so much that the packs are not available until 11/15!

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/MANTISSTRING.html
     
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    I may be part to blame. I came across your thread and ordered a few packs of it. Sorry!:(

    I haven't had a chance to string up with Mantis yet, but my Lux BB's have been killing my wrist and forearm. I'm looking for a comfortable string that will allow me to keep playing.
     
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    Quick question - should I hybrid the Mantis with Syn Gut crosses or is this string soft enough to just do the whole racquet with Mantis?
     
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    The Mantis Comfort is WAY softer than any synthetic gut. I'm glad people are buying the string. If the demand is there, then TW will keep selling it I hope!
     
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    My local shop is having a string sale. Does anybody know if there are any multis below worth trying? People on these boards say the Mantis guys came from Dunlop, so maybe the Dunlop Comfort Synthetic is worth a shot.

    Wilson Stamina 17" String Set $2.00
    Wilson K-Gut 16" String Set $8.50
    Wilson NXT OS String Set $10.00

    Prince Twisted 16L String Set $4.50
    Prince Tour 17" String Set $4.50
    Prince Premier 17" String Set $8.00

    Yonex Tough Brid 130 String Set $4.50
    Yonex PolyTour 125 String Set $4.00
    Yonex Tournament 50 String Set $2.50

    Head Ultratour 17" String Set $4.50
    Head Sonic Pro 16" String Set $6.00
    Head ETS 17" String Set $4.50

    Tecnifibre XR3 16" String Set $6.50
    Tecnifibre TGV 130 16" String Set $7.50
    Tecnifibre Poly Spin 16L String Set $2.00

    Klip Legend 16" String Set $8.50
    Klip Venom 17" String Set $7.00
    Klip Lightning 16" String Set $11.50

    Dunlop Comfort Syn String Set $3.50
    Dunlop Comfort Hybrid String Set $4.50
    Dunlop Syn Gut 16" String Set $1.50

    Luxilon Adrenaline 17" String Set $5.00
    Luxilon Timo 117 String Set $7.00
    Luxilon Ace 118" String Set $6.50

    Gamma Zo Pro 16L/16 String Set $7.50
    Gamma Prodigy 16" String Set $6.50
    Gamma Revelation 16" String Set $4.00
     
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    Prince Premiere at $8 is a great deal
     
  41. Ennismt

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    With your thought that the Dunlop string is similar to Mantis and its low cost, it would be worth a try.

    For me, I'd be all over the K-gut or NXT OS. I really like those strings (especially NXT line) but don't buy them full price. I'd also want the Klip Legend (gut) but this may be too powerful for your tastes (string tighter?). I can't remeber if Lightning was the cross in the Klip Screamer hybrid I have liked (also powerful). Klip Venom is there multi that is arm friendly but I have no idea of the power. I've played the Excellerator and thought it was a lower powered multi, so maybe Venom is more powerfrul? Ahhh...not sure I am helping. I'd have hard time deciding, too. Lots of choices but I think I'd try the Dunlop as you suggest and, for me, I'd get some NXT OS b/c I know I could not go wrong.
     
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    I'm going to take a hiatus from string testing but after my tournament in early December I want to restart the thread. So it looks like my next round should be:

    Prince Premiere
    Dunlop Comfort
    K-gut
    NXT OS
    Excellerator
     
  43. pepka

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    Try TGV, nice, comfy string:)
    P.S. Those prices makes me wanna cry (xr3 especially)
     
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    You were spot on with your Mantis recommendation so I'll add it to my list. Is XR3 a multi? The nice thing is, the store is only a few miles away from me so no shipping charges. Just sales tax.
     
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    It's a multi with a core of three composite monofilaments. More power than RIP and Mantis (so You may not like it), but control and feel are pretty awesome (it supossed to be firmer than some multis but it's not harsh by any means). Durability is top notch for me.
     
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    Sounds like it may play kind of like Quasi Gut with more spin. I'll definitely give it a shot. Maybe I'll string it a little tighter. I'll post the link you e-mailed me. I don't think it violates any TW rules:

    http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2008/05/tecnifibre_xr3.html
     
  47. pepka

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    Spin is great for a multi. I hit with moderate topspin so can't use it's full potential, but You as a heavy topspin hitter may like it alot
     
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    Yep. Sounds like it is worth a shot. I noticed in the RSI article that this is the 4th most comfortable string tested. The Mantis came in 3rd. In the Mantis review, they said the softest string at number 1 was a natural gut which is no surprise. Anybody know what the 2nd softest string tested was?
     
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    I think X-one (17g version). But for me Mantis is wayyyyyy more comfortable
    edit: The test was taken 6 years ago ;)
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2010
  50. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I'm still trying to figure out how Mantis did it. The RSI numbers indicate that it should feel like a typical multi in the 170s. KCraig e-mailed me asking what the stiffness was. Before I told him, he guessed it was around 100!
     

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