Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    You should get more power with a multi in the crosses. If you really want a low powered multi, try Mantis Comfort Synthetic or Head RIP Control. RIP is a polyolefin so it is closer to a polyester than any other multi.
     
  2. parasailing

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    I have tried Gripper and it's not a great string to string up. It separates too easily and also doesn't last very long. Offers good spin and decent power but nothing special. Still not up to par with X1, Xcel Power, and Kirschbaum Touch Multifiber.
     
  3. mikeler

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    Good info, thanks.
     
  4. Ramon

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    Polyolefins are usually classifed as rubbers. I would think that adding rubber to the mix would give it properties that are different from either a tradition nylon multifilament or polyester (plastic). However, that depends on the specific polymer, which of course is probably a trade secret.
     
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    You are correct, RIP is different from any other nylon or polyester string. It not as stiff as poly, but still gives you quite a bit of spin almost like a poly.
     
  6. coloskier

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    I've lately been using RIP 17 as a cross string with RPM and it is a spin ripper that is easy on the elbow. Now that it is much cooler I'm leaving out the RPM as a string to save the elbow until spring. Tried RIP 16 the other day and did not like it. Definite loss of spin and major increase in power compared to RIP 17, which is just the opposite of what I thought would happen (looking for high spin and low power).
     
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    Have you tried RIP as a main with a poly cross? I'm thinking about doing that because I need a main that's easy on the arm but durable and holds tension.
     
  8. BMC9670

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    Hey Mikeler and all, the pro at my club gave me a couple sets of NXT 17. Would you see any value in a hybrid with RIP Control 17 or 16? If so, which in crosses/mains?

    I've been playing with a full bed of RIP Control for some time and one beef with it is less control when the tension drops. I have no experience with hybriding - just curious since I now have the NXT laying around and string my own.
     
  9. mikeler

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    I'd try full NXT first if you have not already done so. Still have not tried regular NXT but NXT Control was a very nice string.
     
  10. BMC9670

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    Yeah, I thought about that and am afraid I'll like it. I've gotten used to stringing more often with RIP control and NXT is $10 more a set.:???:
     
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    As you can tell from post #1, I tried a RIP/MCS hybrid both ways. With RIP in the mains, it was not very good. With MCS mains, the RIP chewed threw it in 2 sets. So I'm not convinced that RIP would be great in a multi/multi hybrid.
     
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    mikeler,
    what durability do you get out of the thunderblast?

    as i will soon order the genesis line of shaped strings i might as well add a set of thunderblast and xplosion to this order.

    as you seem to like solid core multis too, you might want to give the mantis power syn a shot too. i have "rediscovered" the mcs though and i don't think i'll go back to the power syn any time soon.
     
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    I get about 15 hours out of Thunder Blast as a cross string with B5E mains. It is lower powered versus the higher powered Xplosion. The only plans I have to try new setups is with the gut PVAudio sent me months ago. I'd like to try it in the crosses with B5E mains.
     
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    thank you for the info - that's more than i got out of the power syn. i'll give it a try sometime next spring most probably, as i have about some 50 sets of structured polys to be going through.
     
  15. mikeler

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    That is a lot of string to test. Get off this message board and get on the court! :)
     
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    i just came back from a hitting session today and "re-started" some of the strings i have to some extend liked in the prior outings. today was the first session with pro's pro blackout / mcs after having "recalibrated" with the mantis power poly / mcs combo. definitely not the same league but for the price here in europe it is really a very very interesting string - you get a 200m-reel for around 24-27 euros incl. shipping!

    next up will be tecnifibre black code and than your much coveted black5edge.

    by the way, i'm trying to add one weekly session with a former club-colleague, so that i get some 6 hitting hours per week. that would be about a set per week, so it looks like i'll have at least the next year a quite busy schedule.:)
     
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    Good to know. Thanks.
     
  18. kybb

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    Firs thanks for the advise.

    I strung one racket with Scorpion/Explosive! 25/26kg. Explosive name should be Skunk because it's smells so bad. In the beginning i felt that setup had a too much power for my liking (played with full bed of SPPHextreme before that). After half of our i felt that I had find the groove. I found exellent comfort and a lot of spin on groundies and on serve. Spin was MUCH better than with full bed of Scorpion- this was positive suprise.

    I strung second racket with B5E/VS Team 17 25/26kg. I hold my breath when doing last 2 crosses (firs cut job). More power than first setup, spin is wery good, on the net this setup feels great and comfort is good. I tyed this setup first time in competition when warming up and because it felt good i didn't but it down.

    For me first setub is more controllable when attacking hard. I used this when i started to lose some points with gut. Also consistency on first flat serve was better (suprise). The weakest thing from second setup was blocking first flat serve... too much power.

    Conclusion: gut in crosses is good for me when hitting with friends, but sometimes when you are competing at lower level (or having bad day) there is more help from forgiveness of multi. I will hit more with (Tonic +) because I have it for 4 rackets and will decide after that, what I will be using as my main setup.

    Will try next Scorpion/gut at 25/26kg.
     
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    The gluey smell is great, it is not skunky. :)
     
  20. Up&comer

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    Mcs is the best of the smelly multis.
     
  21. mikeler

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    Definitely the most pungent.
     
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    Please just get to page 100. It's bothering that you are stuck at 99.
     
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    I have to agree with U&C. Page 99 is old and busted, we need a new and shiny 100.
     
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    Had 90 min of groundies with addiction. should have a full match in next week for a full review.
     
  25. scotus

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    Maybe I'll take up a little space here and help this thread get to p.100.
     
  26. dre

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    quick question.... what are your thoughts on MSV hex vs B5E ?

    thanks !
     
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    Never tried MSV hex, sorry. Now I'm going to get all anal about getting to page 100, never noticed that before. I might just turn this into my personal blog for a day.
     
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    You have wery nice tase:twisted:

    Btw: the setup Scorpion/Explosive feels more hand friendly whitout dampener than B5E/cut. I think its coming from B5E.
     
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    I have not tried B5E. You must really be impressed? I might have to give it a trial run.
     
  30. mikeler

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    It is perfect for my game since it is lower powered and spinny. Using the new Genesis Thunder Blast in the crosses gives the setup some nice controlled pop. I've never found a better setup for volleying.
     
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    Clempsum sux (Does this post take it to page#100!!!!) LOL--sorry buddy--couldn't resist!!!!

    In all seriousness--legendary thread with unbelievable amounts of information!! Still find myself going back to this thread often to review diff reviews on multi setups as on last run (hopefully) with GE. Love how all strings are rated and indexed on Page 1--very very useful to all! Thank you---
     
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  32. scotus

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    I think gut would be better.
     
  33. kybb

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    What is similat multi to Genesis thunder in Europe?
     
  34. mikeler

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    You suck, can't believe that was the post that took it to page 100!


    Up & Comer liked the B5E/Thunder Blast combo better for volleying. He liked everything else better with B5E/gut.
     
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    ^^ something about the b5e thunderblast's power level made it a great setup for volleying.

    And finally, you're on page 100.
     
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    Yes a great thread this one .. thanks for all the solid information.:)
     
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    My multi-testing Sojourn begins...
     
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    I saw that thread just before I looked at this one. Good stuff.
     
  41. bad_call

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    hit a bit with B5E/ThunderB in the AG100. good string but a bit more powerful than i'd like. not enough dwell time (ball pocketing). would be great for full on attack mode but my legs weren't up to that today. stay tuned....
     
  42. Kenny022593

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    Mikeler, have you tried Dunlop DNA?
     
  43. Kcraig

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    NXT 16g

    Have been playing with plain ole' Wilson NXT 16g (mini reels are an aweseome deal) lately in my Prince EXO3 Tour 16*18 strung at 55# in an attempt to finally whip this nagging GE!! It is a crisper multi, but in the super flexy/soft EXO it plays great. I get tons of pocketing and control, but am also getting tons of spin and bite! Also, although the Prince is a pretty wide 16*18 pattern I am experiencing minimal string movement--especially for the first 5 or so hours. Durability is also impressive lasting right around the 12 hour mark (I do use string savers at notching areas which may help here).
    I think i have finally found s super "elbow friendly" setup that still allows me to play aggressively and consistent.

    All in all, impressed with this string setup and with the mini reels on sale at TW ($33.00) you are getting 3 full sets at only $11.00/per. Now, will I continue to play this string at upwards of $17/per pack--not sure, but right now am really enjoying the "boring" setup, but most importantly being able to play PAIN FREE!!:)
     
  44. Ross K

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    Interesting... what other multis would you or others recommend in a full job, and also as a poly hybrid with the Exo 100?

    TIA
     
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    What tension are you playing it at? I had to bump my B5E to 52 with Thunder Blast at 56. A little higher than most of the low tension hybrids we are typically hearing about. Agreed about this being a great setup for full on attack mode.


    I have not tried that one yet.


    Hopefully that elbow pain goes away for good. $17 for a multi is too much. Might as well go back to natty at that price.
     
  46. bad_call

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    strung it at the usual 48/52. if continued testing is promising then will give it a go again at a higher tension. how much did u increase tension for this particular setup?
     
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    I started at 48/52 and went up to 52/56. I may start bumping the tension down a few pounds as we approach winter.
     
  48. Kcraig

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    I have also tried the black French Open version of Xcel 16g at 55# and preferred the NXT--plus the mini reel price is the reel (pun intended) bargain here. Am going to get through the cooler months here and not use any polys until elbow completely healed and temps are warm again.

    As for poly hybrids, i did have a brief hit with B5E/Max Touch at 52/56 and did not love it--wish i had gone lower. The B5E seems to work better at lower tensions and my stringer uses a Babolat Star 5 and that baby strings tight as hell! Think 48/52 wld be better. But for now, the full NXT at 55 provides great spin, pop, control and touch with unreal ball pocketing/cupping--jst feels like the ball sinks in the strings and then "point and shoot" As said many times--just a fun stick to hit with!!:)
     
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    It is interesting how really soft strings just don't feel as good in the PK 7G or the Exo Tour. The rackets absorb so much shock they almost beg for you to add at least a little stiffness (not that NXT is stiff at all). I don't think I would enjoy the softest multis in the 7G.
     
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    Just curious, have you tried Technifibre NRG2 17? Didn't see any mention of it.
     

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