Mikeler's Multis

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  1. DrpShot!

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    Ok so I bought a set of Rip Control last week and strung it in a Flexpoint Radcial Tour (16x18, 343g, 329 swingweight), my favorite stick but its more powerful than my Prestige MPs so I need a control string for it. I love it with full polys, but I can't play them due to arm issues. So I strung Rip Control at 61 lbs and....absolutely hated it. The power level was low, no problems there, but it moved like crazy, I mean craaazy, it drove me nuts. I get agitated just thinking about it. I was adjusting strings after every single point and couldn't get them even close to straight, ever. I'm going to put some string savers in to see if that helps, if not I'm going to cut them out, something I HATE to do.

    So I still haven't found a good multi setup for the FXP Radical Tour MP. I'm back to my Prestige MPs, two with Quasi Gut and one with Natural gut, I like those setups but miss the extra spin and stability I get with the FXP Radical Tour.
     
  2. mikeler

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    How did you like the playability? I'm glad that I'm not anal about string movement like a lot of people here. :)

    The RIP/Mantis combo I used, the RIP stayed almost perfectly in place in the mains. The Mantis crosses moved all over the place though.
     
  3. GameSetMatch

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    EVERY single multi is going move in that setup. Every one. 16x18 string pattern, high static and swing weight. It's impossible for non-poly strings not to move and get out of place in that setup. Did you pre-stretch the strings before hand? The only exception to movement might be Recoil but I have no experience of that string.
     
  4. DrpShot!

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    Yeah I am anal about it, I'm gonna end up getting committed some day because of it. I thought the playability was ok, especially on the first few hits of any given rally, its not a natural gut like response, definitely muted but I could take nice cuts at the ball like with poly and was getting good control and spin. But with an open pattern and hefty frame after a 4 or 5 ball rally the string would move all over the place and I would start getting inconsistent responses, especially on off center hits. Hopefully the savers will help, if not i'll see if I can get something different in just the mains. Anyway, thanks for sharing the good info you have so far in this thread!
     
  5. DrpShot!

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    I did not prestrech the Rip Control. I tried Recoil but didn't like the playability, just didn't seem like there was anything to it, no power, feel, etc. I love the stick with all poly but just can't do it, I do strength exercises, flexbar, squeezie balls, etc, but if I hit one serve wrong with a poly in there I'm in the house of pain for months. I want to try some Nat Gut m's / Poly x's next to see if I can get away with that, hopefully the movement won't be too bad, but I'm worried it'll be too powerful (and expensive), so maybe Quasi Gut or NRG m's / Poly x's?
     
  6. mikeler

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    FYI Quasi Gut moved more for me than RIP. It felt a lot like RIP without the spin. It did have a little more touch though.
     
  7. polski

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    I just strung mine up @ 60# & boy was that an easy string to work with.

    I'm going to string #2 racket at 62# & my #3 with all synthetic gut just to compare side by side.
     
  8. pepka

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    I just noticed that it comes in black:) never paid attention to stuff like colour but as well may start. I think about doing Mantis comfort/comfort hybrid (synth/poly).
     
  9. mikeler

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    It's the easiest string I've ever worked with hands down.
     
  10. mikeler

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    So I played last night. Started with the RIP Control. Got up a break 3-1 and then hit 4 straight long shots. So I grabbed my RIP/Mantis hybrid. Hit a few horrible drop shots and double faults on break point that cost me the set. So I used the Intellitour the entire 2nd set. That did not fix me double faulting on 2 more break points and match point in the tiebreaker, but it definitely feels better to me than the RIP. We had about 15 or 20 rallys where there were 20 or more shots and I was able to win about half those, so this string definitely has great control on groundies.

    So the first string I'll be cutting out is the full RIP job. My first opportunity to string may not be until Sunday when I'm going to start converting all my rackets to full Mantis jobs.
     
  11. Kcraig

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    Remind me again how the Intellitour ranks in terms of spin, comfort and control compared to Mantis and the RIP/Mantis setups??
     
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    Spin is about the same as the Mantis maybe slightly less. Comfort is better than RIP Control but not as soft as the Mantis. Control is also in between the RIP and Mantis. The RIP/Mantis setup plays a lot like Intellitour it just feels a little stiffer to me.
     
  13. Kcraig

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    What about power comparison---thx
     
  14. mikeler

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    I think Intellitour has a little less power than my RIP/Mantis combo. My thread is down to 3 stars. Guess I better up my game. :)
     
  15. mikeler

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    Just got an e-mail from a company that shall not be named. Looks like I'll be trying one more string!

    "I hope this e-mails finds you well.As we greatly value our customer's feedback, let me know if you would be interested in testing out a new concept multi-fillament string for us. If so, please provide us with your address and whether you will be able to provide us with an in-depth review within 3 weeks of receiving the string."
     
  16. coloskier

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    That must be the new "Valdemort" string. :) Have you been using RIP 16 or 17?
     
  17. mikeler

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    I cut out the full RIP 16 tonight and strung up a full Mantis job. Guess I'll google Valdemort because I'm not sure what that means. :confused:
     
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    :)I didn't realize you were that OLD, it's from Harry Potter:)
     
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    I'll be getting into those movies soon with my son. I did see the first one though and now I recall the reference.
     
  20. Kcraig

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    Well my MANTIS/RIP setup finally snapped tonight right at the end of a singles match--once the coating came off the string did not last much longer. Got a good solid 8.5-9hrs or so out of this setup. I am thinking of trying intellitour next--mainly because there is no Mantis available at TW (THANKS MIKELER's MULTIS) and I'm interested to see how it will play compared to the Mantis/RIP. I still have one freshly strung Mantis/RIP waiting on me so I should be good for my tourney this weekend.
     
  21. acer4tennis

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    8.5-9 hrs is pretty impressive. Mantis are doing something right with their synthetics.
     
  22. Fedace

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    what about the Silverstring multi or Solico multi ?
     
  23. Kcraig

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    Agreed--however I do not consider myself some massive stringbreaker. The interesting thing was there was very little to zero fraying until the very end (within 30min or so of popping).
     
  24. mikeler

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    If you e-mail me your address we can work out a trade from my BIG FAT reel of Mantis. :)
     
  25. mikeler

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    How soft are these?
     
  26. mikeler

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    The Mantis is one of the least durable multis I've tried. It says 16g but it looks more like 17g. Of course, I've cut all the other ones out before the 8 hour mark but they looked much better at the 6 hour mark than the Mantis. I'll be buying some Babolat Elastocross string savers to try and extend the Mantis life. Fortunately I string for myself.
     
  27. HiroProtagonist

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    Hey Mikeler what do you think about a hybrid w/ Quasi-Gut 17g-mains and POSGD 17g-crosses...

    my thinking is this might help w/ spin production and durability, also hoping the 17g Quasi-gut will prove more spin friendly than your experience w/ the 16g......any thoughts? Oh and it would be in either a BLX90 or JK Staff, thanks.
     
  28. Ennismt

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    Mikeler,

    I looked up the tension range of what I think is your racquet, and it says 50-62 lbs. Is this correct? I am trying to consider that you may be strung 2 lbs. under max tension and that I may get more power than your assessments if I strung the same string lower. That is, I believe I like more power from my string than you (but other characteristics we share), so maybe I'd get the Mantis string and just string lower.

    I am interested in your trying your friends racquet with NXT and getting your impression, albeit somewhat apples and oranges with your other comparisons. I did read in another thread that someone likened NXT with Quasi-Gut that you tried.

    The downside to NXT is its variable play from the time you string it to when it breaks. Mantis sounds like it holds tension better and my thought is to string it lower to get the power I want and benefit from the tension maintenance.
     
  29. mikeler

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    I would expect more spin from the thinner gauge but I found Quasi to have the lowest spin potential of all the multis I've tried so far in 16 gauge. I've used PSGD 16 but never tried POSGD or the 17 gauge variety. Since I keep cutting my setups out before they break I'm taking a guess when I say this but RIP Control seems like it would be the most durable multi and it has by far the best spin production of the multis I've tried to date.
     
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  30. mikeler

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    Correct on the tension range. Keep in mind I use a lockout machine and on a stretchy multi it may be pulling > 10% less than a constant pull machine. So it may be like playing at 52-54 pounds on a constant pull machine. The Mantis plays the same way from start to finish. There is no break-in period and the string will probably break before you lose tension.
     
  31. coloskier

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    I'm 55, and even I know who Valdemort is. :)
     
  32. polski

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    First hit with Mantis tonight. 2 hours and 3 sets later, my arm feels no pain. I will probably stick with these all winter just for the comfort.

    Tough to say how I liked them because I was a little eratic tonight. Not much can be blamed on the strings. I did figure them out after about 10 minutes on the power difference and realized that I could swing at a flat ball much more than I could with Luxillon BB's with some more margin of error.
     
  33. SteveI

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    Who?????...........
     
  34. COPEY

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    Hey Mike, I've been away for a while, but glad to see you like the Mantis strings. Can't say I'm surprised though. ;-) The Rip Control/Mantis hybrid sounds interesting--I'll have to give it a go when I able to get back on the courts.
     
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    Dunno about valdemort but i do know who Voldemort is
     
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    Who??????????????
     
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    Ematrix 16g/RC 17g @ 58/54 not bad

    I have a tendency of being very cheap, especially since over the last year my form has improved resulting in stopping by the stringer at least every other week to drop off 1-3 racquets. I have been a fan of RIP Control 17g for awhile now but in a full bed it irritates my elbow, even being a multi. I tried E-Matrix in a full bed and wasn't as disappointed as others seemed to be with it. After 4 or so hours it does turn south but I broke them shortly after. Over all I wouldn't recommend it in a full bed to the hard core tennis player, but a good buy for the recreational player.

    I had some sets of RC so aspired by your Mantis hyrbid I tried a hybrid with Ematrix instead. I put it in the main and RC in the cross. Wow does this change things from both full Ematrix or RC. It really blends the best of both worlds. A pop in between the two. At first this scared me but I was able to adjust and tame the power to my advantage. In the 4th set of a 3 out of 5 match today this really helped when I was feeling fatigued. Very nice responsive feel opposed that what I think RC had. Spin is right up there with what my full bed of RC had rather than Ematrix even though it is the main. If durablity holds up might be a good set up for the ultimate cheap skate that can't stand syn gut.
     
  38. mikeler

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    I also had an adjustment period when I first started playing with the Mantis. It took me a few games to really get dialed into it. My elbow also is more tender during the cooler winter months which is why I ultimately bought a reel of the Mantis.
     
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    Hmm, now I may have to try the KCraig setup. Sounds like RIP in the crosses works better than RIP in the mains.
     
  40. mikeler

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    I should get my mystery string Saturday. Not sure when I'll have a chance to string it though since I've got my extended family in town this weekend.
     
  41. Kcraig

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    UmmmHmmmmm!! :) Obviously I have not tried RIP in mains or as a full job--but for whatever reason--the RIP in crosses with Mantis just really worked well for me!!!
     
  42. Uvijek Argen

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    I have a feeling that you will get as a demo "MAXIM TOUCH RESPONSE" which is the same in the description and the drawing as Quasi-gut. Made in Taiwan.
     
  43. mikeler

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    I think you are correct after doing a Google search I found that string listed:

    http://www.prosupex.com/strings_tennis strings.html

    I'll know if it is Quasi Gut if there is no spin!
     
  44. Kcraig

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    Crap!!!

    Well I was out of Mantis/RIP and TW is out of Mantis for the time being so since I popped one of my Mantis/RIPs setup I decided that since my local carried the Head Intellitour I would give it a go. Went with the traditional setup as recommended by Head (RIP control looking string in the mains) at 56/58. Started out volleying at home some against the wall/garage and it felt kinda stiff and unforgiven--so I didn't have very high hopes heading to the courts with a brief 1hr15min hit with a 4.5 buddy. Started witht the Intellitour, but also had my fresh Mantis/RIP and also my GUT/RIP sitting on back fence on standby. Well it didn't take long for me to warm up the Intellitour. It definatley has a more "crisp" feel to it over the Mantis/Rip. I also soon realized that the Intellitour had more bite/spin and more pop over the Mantis/Rip. I have not hit my 2hb this well in a while (my weakest shot). Volleys were as crisp and nice as the Mantis/RIP, but feel shots (droppers) were not a good with the Intellitour. I really felt I had a full poly bed with no negaitive effects (shock, stiffness, etc). I am def going to continue my comparison of Mantis/RIP vs Intellitour. Gonna be a good shoot out!!!

    PS--it's funny that the GUT/RIP is not really in the running at this point--just not worth the extra $$$ at this point. Fine by me:)
     
  45. Huppe

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    Not peronally familiar with the Mantis but . . .

    as a big fan of Intellitour (and RIP control also), I suspect if you tension it like your Mantis/RIP combo 58/56 instead of the other way around (why switch for this combo of synthetics but not the other?), you will likely find the feel is there also.

    Which guage of the Intellitour did you use, out of curiosity?

    Thanks for your observations in this thread, btw.
     
  46. Kcraig

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    Intellitour 16g. The reasoning behind the tension switch is the RIP mains are slightly stiffer and also hold tension better (according the USRSA ratings 11.51lbs) whereas the crosses in this hybrid are much softer, but also show to drop tension a tad more (14.77lbs). So I figure the tensions will match up once they have their initial drop/loss. Touch was still very nice, just not as "pillowy" as the Mantis--however the crispness and extra pop was very nice and pleasurable to feel and hear--nice sound at impact:twisted:
     
  47. mikeler

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    My mystery strings arrived last night. The names on the packages are Fiber Tech and Fiber Power. The Tech looks a lot like Maxim Touch. It is mostly smooth but there is a slight texture on it. The Power looks like no multi I've seen before. It has a textured look but not like the RIP at all. I'll probably test out the tech and see if I can find somebody else to test out the Power. I'm usually not a fan of textured strings.

    Played 2 sets this morning with the Mantis. Both sets were close but I ended up losing. My opponent was complaining how many times I was hitting the baseline, so that is a good comment to hear. My problem today is that on all the big points, I kept hitting the frame. Even the Mantis can't bail me out when I do that! My serve is just terrific with this string. This guy normally tees off my 2nd serve but he did not have even 1 winner today because I was able to get some nice kick.
     
  48. Kcraig

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    WellI spent this weekend playing in a local dubs tourney and I played extensively with the Intellitour setup. A nice combo of spin, comfort and more useful pop over the Mantis/RIP combo. Played 4 matches of dubs on clay (around 5-6hrs) and strings still good to go. Some minor fraying on the crosses. One thing I was very impressed with, even more so than the Mantis/RIP setup, was the lack of string movement. I would have to give the nod to Intellitour at this time and I like the fact it comes in one convenient package and pretty cheap as well. Great thread!!!!!!!!! I would have NEVER tried the Intelliour or RIP had I not seen this thread--Thanks to all:)
     
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    Anyone played with the Golden Set Velvet or the Maximal here? Wanted to try their multi's sampler pack. But wanted to see if anyone has tried yet.
    Also if anyone tried Maxim Touch Classic, anyone care to comment? I really like the MT but wanted to try another string with more crispness (don't know if there is such a word). Don't really care about durability and would rather restring more often than playing with dead strings.
     
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    I played with the Maxim Touch original and Classic from January until I started this thread. It's a good string for most of my shots but just a touch too powerful on my forehand. It was just hard for me to keep forehands from sailing long on me. Even though you don't care about durability, I was getting about 12 sets out of the 17 gauge which is pretty good for me. If you string your own, it is very easy to work with too.
     

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