Mikeler's Multis

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  1. slopoke

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    GREAT! Thanks. I'm also interested in WSS , in case you have tried it.
     
  2. mikeler

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    What is WSS? The only gut I've tried recently is the Unifibre with poly crosses and also poly mains. Used some red natural gut over 20 years ago but didn't pay attention to strings back then so don't know which brand it was.
     
  3. Ronaldo

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    Victor Africord was a red NG.
     
  4. mikeler

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    What's your vector Victor?
     
  5. Ronaldo

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    We have clearance, Clarence
     
  6. mikeler

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    Roger Roger. That was probably the red string I tried many moons ago.
     
  7. slopoke

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    I just heard about WSS..... Wilson Shock Shield string...supposed to have a gel core and be super easy on the arm. Sells for about $15.

    Would like to hear from those who have tried it.
     
  8. mikeler

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    Go to post #1 of this thread and you'll find a link to my review of WSS.
     
  9. Ronaldo

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    Wilson Hollow Core is a soft string IMHO. Hollow Core Pro, forgetaboutit, firm.
     
  10. mikeler

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    ^^^ So many strings, so little time...
     
  11. Ronaldo

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    Must have elbows of steel. And love to string.
     
  12. mikeler

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    I'm glad my elbows can only handle certain strings. Limits the testing I can do.
     
  13. Jocke

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    Just wanted to let you know my daughter's verdict on MCS (black). She really liked the feeling of it. Definitely better than both Addiction and Thunder Blast. The word she used was "cosy". So we'll stick to that for a while. Hopefully it suits her game, and she's not a string-breaker so I don't think that will be an issue yet.

    Thanks again!

     
  14. mikeler

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    ^^^ MCS is a very nice value multi and with the gut like softness should help prevent arm pains. Good luck!
     
  15. mikeler

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    Just strung up Vanquish. May be awhile until I try it out. I want to break the gut first.
     
  16. Up&comer

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    If I remember correctly I liked that string. I'm not sure I'm thinking of the same string' though.
     
  17. mikeler

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    I used it for 1 hitting session with Tour Bite crosses when I first tried my PSTs. Was soft even on my tender elbow at the time.
     
  18. sruckauf

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    Mikeler, if using one of these in 16 gauge as a cross with poly:

    Your preference between:
    - Genesis Thunder Blast
    - Maxim Touch
    - Mantis Comfort Synthetic

    .. your preference? I've read your reviews at the beginning of the thread. I generally like stiffer feeling multis so I don't think I'll try the MCS.

    Thanks much.
     
  19. Up&comer

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    ^^ thunderblast for a stiffer multi.
     
  20. mikeler

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    Totally agree.
     
  21. mikeler

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    The Wilson gut broke today. Full review tomorrow. Got 1 set in with Solinco Vanquish. Pretty nice stuff.
     
  22. sruckauf

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    Great, thank you both.
     
  23. mikeler

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    Wilson Natural Gut = Outstanding

    OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Wilson Natural Gut 16.

    Strung it up about 2 weeks ago. The string was noticeably soft and had plenty of coil memory so I performed a light prestretch on it. Luckily, PVAudio had sent me some cheaper "practice" guts to work with so I did not have any issues stringing it up. The string was coated which I'm sure helped. I did the old ball bounce test and it felt very soft yet crisp. For those players who think a string can't be both soft and crisp, they have never played with natural gut.

    Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 Mains(52#)/Genesis Thunder Blast 16 Crosses(56#)
    Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
    Power (or lack there of): High
    Feel: Incredible
    Tension maintenance: Seemed to hold all 12 hours. I bought RacquetTune (RT) after I played 2 sets with it. The RT had it at 50.5 pounds after that match. It then settled down to 49.5 pounds where it stayed until death.
    Price: $43/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: I could tell on the first few hits that this had some major power. It is mostly controllable but I struggled the most those first 2 sets with it. So I do believe this string needs a break-in period which annoys me. C'mon, $43 and it does not play perfect out of the package? Once it broke in, I played some of my best tennis in a long time.

    Serve/Return of Serve: Aces returned to mikeler's game every match. Put simply, this is the best serving setup I've ever used. Huge power on my first serve and poly like kick on my 2nd serve. I did not notice much on the return game except that it seems like I did not miss many.

    Strokes: Lots of spin on both wings. Depth control was mostly good but I did not feel like I could flatten out strokes with this setup. As long as I used the high spin potential, everything was fine. Still, this was not the best setup for my forehand. On the other hand, my 1 handed topspin backhand was on the money. I can't recall another setup where my 1 hander was better. Slices were close to normal.

    Net Game: It's pretty good for volleys but not spectacular. Volleys felt very solid when I tried to punch them. Overheads were killing my opponents with all the power.

    Touch shots: Best setup I've ever played with. If I hit drop shots on appropriate balls, I almost always won the point outright or had my opponent so far out of position, getting the next ball out of his reach was easy.

    Softness: The string feels as soft as the Mantis Comfort Synthetic. As expected, I had zero arm issues with using it.

    Tension: If I had to do it over, I think I'd string it a few pounds higher.

    Durability: I noticed most of the notching occurring on the tie off mains which are 3rd from the outside of the frame. None of the notches were particularly deep and there was no significant fraying so I did not bother with string savers. I hit one shot off the top of the frame that felt very weird yesterday. We were playing at a quick pace, so I did not notice anything after that hit. On the changeover, I looked down at the string bed and it looked like an MCS type scenario where the outer coating was completely gone and just a few strands were holding on. The string broke 2 points later. I was expecting a little more warning before this broke, not catastrophic failure. :(

    Movement: The strings were hard to move with my fingers but yet they moved around like crazy during play. Kind of strange. I actually used a screw driver to straighten the strings before my last outing.

    Conclusion: Now I've finally played with the string that multis are trying to emulate. None of them do...yet. The sweet spot is huge and the power is great from most areas of the court. Still, at $43 I don't see myself using this again except maybe during my annual club tournament. Perhaps, I'll try Pacific gut next winter. This is a fantastic string and if money is no object, you should try it for yourself some time.
     
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  24. fgs

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    while reading your review i just felt 30 year younger and enjoying each practice session (which at that time i did not really - i mean each!).

    i doubt that there are many thinking that soft cannot be crisp, except "the banned one".:) but then you are not scientific and have no hard facts to prove your experience.:)
     
  25. mikeler

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    I see you got my veiled reference. :)
     
  26. mikeler

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    I strung up Weiss Cannon Super Cable Pro last night. It is eerily similar to MCS. Smell, feel and gauge are the same. Did not bother doing a ball bounce test with it yet just because I think they are the same strings, just different colors.
     
  27. mikeler

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    Here is what the gut looked like when it broke:

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  28. fgs

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    what court did you play on when this happened? when you play on clay courts it happens that there is a small piece of stone on the ball when you hit the ball and that goes right through the string - no matter if poly, multi or gut! happens every once in a while.
     
  29. mikeler

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    I play almost all of my matches on clay. Maybe once or twice a month I'll play on a hard court.
     
  30. mikeler

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    Did a ball bounce test between Weiss Cannon Supercable Pro (WCSP) and Mantis Comfort Synthetic (MCS) just now. They feel very similar however the WCSP is slightly thicker and perhaps due to that feels slightly more crisp. It is very hard to notice the difference between the two.
     
  31. JT_2eighty

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    I believe the supercable has a solid core as well, so I would wager it will play less soft once you get on the courts?
     
  32. Up&comer

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    I'm interested to hear what you think.
     
  33. mikeler

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    Yes, I could see the solid core looking at the string profile. I tend to like the multis with the solid core. I'll have to look at MCS again but I'm pretty sure it is a pure multi.
     
  34. fgs

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    mcs is a pure multi. the power syn is a solid core with some finer wrappings around it.
     
  35. mikeler

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    Yep, I just looked it up as I was curious. I'd like to play with the Weiss Cannon tonight, but think I'll stick with the Vanquish. The problem with multi testing is you need to make sure you don't have too much mileage on all your rackets and end up breaking all your strings.
     
  36. mikeler

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    Less than 4 sets of singles and it broke!

    Here is my review in the TW format of the Solinco Vanquish 16.

    Strung it up on Sunday night. The string seemed fairly normal for a multi except that it had plenty of coil memory, almost as much as the Wilson gut I had just strung. I did not have any issues stringing it up. I did the old ball bounce test and it felt like a standard multi.

    Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 Mains(52#)/Genesis Thunder Blast 16 Crosses(56#)
    Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
    Power (or lack there of): Medium
    Feel: Terrible
    Tension maintenance: It does not last long enough to worry about this. RacquetTune (RT) showed a 6.7% tension loss after a few days and 1 set of play.
    Price: $12.50/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This is an above average multi with below average durability.

    Serve/Return of Serve: Served fairly well with it. Second serves had plenty of kick for a multi. Couldn't be too aggressive on returns without making errors.

    Strokes: About average spin on both wings for a multi. Depth control was OK and at times I could flatten out strokes successfully. Slices were pretty good with it.

    Net Game: It's good for volleys but not great.

    Touch shots: Terrible. I could not place drop shots or volleys at all.

    Softness: The string is probably middle of the pack for softness.

    Tension: Perhaps a pound or two higher may have been better, but the tension was pretty close to ideal for me. It was hotter out than normal so I think the tension would have been perfect if we had normal January temps.

    Durability: After about 3 sets, I was noticing some wear at a number of intersections. I was hoping this would just fray. Towards the end of the 4th set, the coating came off like MCS and just a few strands were left. That held for a few more games and then broke at a very inopportune time at the end of the 3rd set.

    Movement: The strings did not move much the first set, but after that the mains moved all over the place but the crosses stayed locked in pretty well.

    Conclusion: I can't recommend this string due to the lack of durability. This is one of the worst ones I've tried so far in that respect. The only reason I tolerated the poor durability of MCS last year was to protect my arm. This string has nothing that stands out so well that I'm willing to restring every 2 matches or less.
     
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  37. mikeler

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    Alternated between MCS, SuperCable Pro (SP) and Vanquish for about 20 mins with another player before I started my match last night with my opponent. SP is not MCS but is fairly close. I broke Vanquish serving at 3-4, 15-30 in the 3rd set. Picked up SP and hit an ace. Almost had another ace the next serve but got a short ball that I should have just crushed and instead tried a dumb dropper that came nowhere close to going over. Only break all set. Game set match.

    Just from the few points I played with SP, I'm pretty sure I like it better than Vanquish. Trying to decide which one to string up next. I cut my 2 sets of MSV Control last night so I'll probably end up stringing that one next.
     
  38. ArliHawk

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    Have you tried Volkl Gripper? If so, how durable did you find it to be?

    Currently using RIP Control, but thinking about trying a set of Gripper or Intellitour to mix it up.
     
  39. mikeler

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    I almost bought a set of Gripper but sphinx780 said it is more powerful than Maxim Touch which is a higher powered multi. Check out post #1 for all the multis I've tried and links to the reviews. Intellitour is there.
     
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    ^Indeed I did. It's the highest powered multi I tested in my comparatively short run.

    ArliHawk: I did a full review in the thread I started up (just search by my name) I find it to be fairly durable (8-12 hours) depending on play but can't directly compare it to RIP....yet.
     
  41. mikeler

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    I still may try it out some day just because I've never used a Volkl string before.
     
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    You may be pleasantly surprised like I was with RIP control. It seemed counterintuitive to the attributes I seem to prefer but still made for a fun hit and a string I ended up liking as long as I wasn't stringing it.
     
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    Yeah, I would love it on serves. Just would have to be an excessive topspin monkey with it in rallys.
     
  44. Up&comer

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    What's wrong with that?
     
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    it could be cumbersome to always carry so many bananas in your t-bag.:)
     
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    I hate not having the confidence to belt a flat heater when I want to. Then I go into excessive topspin mode, which leads me into stupid drop shot mode on short balls because my opponents are usually passing me or giving me tough volleys because they have time to setup for my approach. You have to remember, I play against every type of player, not just fellow topspin junior monkeys who eat only finger bananas. :)
     
  47. Ronaldo

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    Do you always string two-piece?
     
  48. mikeler

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    Yes, too lazy to learn the other methods.
     
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    Like one-piece?
     
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    Yes. Two piece also means less of a re-do when I screw up.
     

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