Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    PPA is terrible and should be priced the same as tournament nylon. :)
     
  2. Up&comer

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    Not sure if you are serious.
     
  3. mixedmedia

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    Hmm, the first time I read it, I thought he was being serious, but now I think he's kidding and wishes the price was lower.
     
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    I am so happy about the NXT mini reels, I could Plotz!
    $11 a set. Heck yeah!
     
  5. Ramon

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    I think he's kidding (so was I) unless PPA drops off a cliff in performance, but if my own testing is correct, it will probably be good for at least another 6 hours.

    I'm excited about the mini-reel, too. If Prince decides to raise the price of PPA, that's where I'm going! Mid-priced competition is a good thing!
     
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    Oh no. Liking this one. Where did you hear this?
     
  7. mikeler

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    Somebody mentioned it to me and then I verified it on the GG site.
     
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    And yes, I was kidding about PPA. Had a rough outing today only holding serve twice over 2 sets of singles and 1 set of doubles. My shoulder was just frozen and my legs felt like lead balloons. Unfortunately for me, I have one of my toughest opponents Tuesday night. Still, I'm really digging this string. Problem right now is I'm hitting the frame way too much. I guess I'll never be a good ball watcher. :(

    I strung PPA almost a month ago. After using it yesterday and measuring it with RT before I played today, it was showing 11% tension loss. The string bed is showing some minor notching and fraying. I think this one will go a few more hours.
     
  9. Fuji

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    Just wanted to add in, I strung ThunderBlast up today @ 38lbs. Neet little experiment I had since I had an extra set laying around and it's not my string of choice.

    It worked actually surprisingly well! I hit a lot of spin and it had some nice pop. Since it plays a bit stiffer, I could see this being a solid set up for anyone who has some patience, and some arm problems. It took a few rounds to get used to of course, as it's a lot different then any other set up I've tried.

    I'd imagine RIP would be interesting in this type of lower tension experiment as well. :)

    Any questions or anything, let me know!

    -Fuji
     
  10. Rozroz

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    ThunderBlast at 38lb???
    this is MADNESS!
    how can you gain any control?
     
  11. Fuji

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    Depends on your strokes really! I used an Aerostorm Cortex, and it worked fairly well. I'm not sure how tension loss will effect results, but I enjoyed it a lot!

    Control wasn't much different from stringing at 50lbs IMHO. It just had a bit more pop. :)

    -Fuji
     
  12. Up&comer

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    Do you use the regular or GT Fuji?
     
  13. Fuji

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    Just regular! I have it leaded up to 13.0oz and 6 points HL. :)

    -Fuji
     
  14. mikeler

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    Wow, 38 pounds with a multi. Can't imagine I'd ever get used to that.
     
  15. Fuji

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    It's definitely stroke dependent!

    If you have any spare multi laying around, I would recommend trying it, it's a very sweet feel. (I play pretty old school tennis, and it felt like I could play my game, just with a lot less effort on my part.) Serve returns were probably my favorite as I just had to get a stick on it to send it rocketing back.

    (I lost 6-3,6-4, but it was more user error then anything. My opponent was very good.)

    -Fuji
     
  16. mikeler

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    My strokes are whippy and new school. Don't think that tension would work for me. :)
     
  17. Up&comer

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    Nope. You'd need almost wood racket strokes to use that tension.
     
  18. saltair

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    I will be very interested to read your full review.

    PPA is in the Exo3 tour 18x20 I have been demoing. First time hitting with that raquet and first time with PPA too.

    Liked the stick and the string too. There have been some rocket launches as it feels lively but in general good spin, touch, and controllable power. 13 sets in and the string is pretty toast now. There was a significant decline in quality today compared with the last time I played on thursday. The strings are about to go. Look as though they have been sanded down in the sweet spot. Really flattened out and thin.

    Think I will be purchasing the raquet for its arm friendliness and plan to test some other multis in it. PPA has been fairly impressive though.
     
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    So far there is a lot to like except for returning hard deep shots. Then again, the string is not named Prince Defender.
     
  20. Ramon

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    NXT is on its last leg. One more hard shot and that's all she wrote after a little more than 7 hours of play. The good news is that it's fraying on the 10th cross string of my extended length 16x20 PK Ki 5x. I'm hitting closer to the sweespot thanks to the extra half inch!

    So I picked up the racquet with Prince Premier LT and hit with it for an hour. Mikeler's memory is pretty amazing! It does feel a tad stiffer than PPA, and his review several months ago was spot on. I was missing NXT for about the first 45 minutes, but PLT seemed to get better. I think I prefer NXT at this point, but PLT is still a very good string that I don't plan to cut out anytime soon. NXT feels more gut-like, and I feel more connected to the ball. Other than that, these two premium strings play very similarly. PLT lost about 6.2% tension compared to when the racquet was shipped to me, meaning that's in addition to the initial tension loss, which is data I don't have. It's a fairly steep loss after the first hit. That helps explain the difference in feel after the break-in period.
     
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    LT seemed to really stiffen up after about 3 matches and just did not feel good anymore after that. I'm looking forward to trying regular NXT out next month.
     
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    I agree, I think that is why I love the stuff.

    Soft strings in my racquet make me lose ball feel and play inconsistent.

    I do get more power with it at 59#s (this tension also allows for the tension drop to kick in and the string just gets better).

    Most multis move a lot, break kind of fast and do not generate a ton of spin. The 17 gauge RIP was moving, but still had insane spin and played like a poly in that regard.

    Interested in seeing how the 16 gauge works.
     
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    That's good to know. I'll keep on top of the tension loss with RacquetTune. Loss of tension should correlate to loss of elasticity.
     
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    It sounds like 16 gauge might work better for you because of the durability and less movement. Nothing I've measured comes close to RIP Control 16 on tension maintenance. You might even want to drop the tension a bit on it because you won't notice any drop.
     
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    RIP must be huge around these parts because it is sold out everywhere I try to buy it. I have some coming on order from TW, but I wanted to try and get more locally..not happening today at least.
     
  26. mikeler

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    Does the place down on I-Drive have it?
     
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    Dr. Mike, what's the current setup?
     
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    I just went there to pick up some lead and grips..they were sold out.
     
  29. mikeler

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    Prince Premiere Attack 16 at the moment. Got a hard hitter on tap for tomorrow night and just played one yesterday, so we'll see if she makes it through the evening. After that breaks it will be:

    1. Signum Pro Micronite 16
    2. Boris Becker Pulse 16
    3. Klip Venom 16
    4. Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre
    5. Wilson NXT 16

    Then probably back to the Mikeler Matchup.
     
  30. mikeler

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    I know the stringers down there, I can ask them what is going on.
     
  31. Ramon

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    For me, NXT plays well until it breaks. Unfortunately, it breaks a bit prematurely so it doesn't get much of a chance to decline.
     
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    The guy I played yesterday was surprised that it lasted as long as synthetic gut for him (3 to 4 sets). Another guy I play uses NXT as his "go to" setup and he only gets about 5 sets out of it.
     
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    Mikeler,
    Great thread...I'm a long time synthetic gut user that has only dabbled here and there with a few multis. I'm thinking about stringing up my I prestige mid with a full bed of pro supex maxim touch 17. I'm currently using psgd 17, and it feels too harsh, even at mid tension. I don't break strings that often, so I usually only change them when the tension drops too low. The tension range for the prestige is 48-58. Should I just string right it in the middle, or would you suggest going a little higher?
     
  34. Fuji

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    I love the 16 gauge, but the 17 is just not my cup of tea at all. The 17 was just odd feeling for me. The 16 on the other hand is what I am totally grooved with. It's great!


    -Fuji
     
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  35. Ronaldo

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    An iPrestige mid with less than NG? Forgetaboutit!
     
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    Maxim Touch has a lot more power than PSGD, so consider a tension between the mid and upper range.
     
  37. dParis

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    I got to hit for a couple of hours with Prince Premiere Attack last night. I can see why this string is quickly developing a fan base. I could identify no negatives with PPA. While it didn't strike me as outstanding in any one particular area, it performed very well in all aspects. Like I said, it has only been a couple of hours of hitting, but so far, PPA seems like a straight-forward multi with great performance at its price.
     
  38. Rozroz

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    it's not THAT cheap.. it's on the middle priced ones, no?
     
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    It is a little different from most multis but in a good way. Very much like the more expensive LT but softer. Hopefully I get a chance to play with it past tonight since my timing and footwork are not the greatest right now.
     
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    I never said it was cheap. You're right, though, it is somewhat middle of the pack price-wise but I look at string pricing like this: <$10=cheap, $10-$15=mid-priced. $15-$20=premium priced multi and >$20=gut. Cheaper strings I recall using are $6.50 (at the time) RIP Control (not right for me). $5 Alpha Gut2K (good) and $4 OGSM (nice to firm up a soft racquet, not sure I'd like it in my current, stiffer frame). I've found better playability in multis near the $10 point, where it makes sense to spend the extra $4-$6 and I'm speaking of the last two multis I've tried - Isospeed Pro classic and PPA. I love Gamma Pro ($20), but I don't find it to be worth $10 more than the other two, particularly the Isospeed and I see no value for me to spend an extra $20 on natural gut.
    Interested in reading your review...
     
  41. Rozroz

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    well, if the cheap options are NO option for you, than i approve ;)
     
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    Thanks.

    I was ready to bite the bullet on Gamma Pro as my regular string, but gave myself time to find an acceptable alternative at $10 or less. RIP didn't cut it, but I think ICC and PPA have.

    P.S. Thanks for changing your avatar. It was scaring my children.
     
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    $20 for a multifilament string is too much.
     
  44. Rozroz

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    did you try Thunderblast? you might find it good for you, if you like low powered and a bit stiffer multi. and that's really cheap.

    boy i didn't realize my crappy avatar caused so much pain and discomfort!
    i already got 5-6 responses from post-traumatized members ;)
     
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    Thunder Blast is also good. I think just for the softness I like PPA better so far. The avatar change is most welcome.
     
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    I agree. I'm glad I came to my senses.
    Low power and stiffer sounds like RIP. Not my cup of tea. Iso is so comfortable and pockets like a premium string. Has bite and wasn't mushy in 8 hours of play. Don't know how long it will stay that way for me. I cut it to try PPA. I'll cut that for TF Multifeel, then leagues will begin and probably go back to ICC.

    I saw someone in the shortest match thread thank you for your avatar change. Your current one almost looks pleasant in comparison.
     
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    Thunder Blast does not have that random springiness of RIP Control. Spin is pretty good with it and when you hit the sweet spot, it has an X1 like feel. Still, it is stiffer than PPA no question about it. I believe MultiFeel changed their formula and is stiffer now.
     
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    Amen to that. If you shop for bargains you don't have to pay that much for a premium quality string. I played with Premier LT ($16 normally but free with my racquet) today and I think it's still getting better. In fact, it reminds me of PPA on my Babolat, LOL. I'm anxious to see how PPA plays on my Ki 5x when Premier LT breaks.

    I think NXT belongs in that mid-priced category when you consider the mini-reel, but I'm not sure it's a great value due to how quickly it starts to fray. If Wilson packaged a more durable version of NXT (maybe NXT Max?) in a mini-reel for that price, I'd be very interested in that.
     
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    Which racket did you switch to?
     
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    I got rid of the Babolat APDGT and picked up the Pro Kennex Ki 5x. It's much easier on my arm, and I can swing more freely with it because of the lower power, so I'm happy.

    Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time finding someone who will buy my old racquets because of the 4-5/8" grip. Does anyone out there have big hands?
     

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