Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    Played my best match of the year tonight. It was all working for me. Feet were moving, knees were bending, eyes were focused on the ball 99% of the time, serve was clicking. The guy I played tonight is an incredible returner and I don't even think I faced a break point! String is still hanging in there. TW prepare for the onslaught of orders!
     
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    OMG...I was afraid of this! :cry:
     
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    great to hear you are moving around fairly well again!

    With a few days of low temps my left knee has been suffering. I was having trouble walking yesterday...so much so that I was considering using my cane. Today was warmer and much much better!
     
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    I read about it, but never experienced the random springiness of RIP Control. I felt it produced a consistent, but fairly dead string bed. RIPC isn't one of those strings I'd say opens a racquet's sweetspot. Maybe that springiness was coming from hitting the sweetspot (which might explain why I didn't notice it) while the rest of the string bed was relatively dead :wink:. I could begin to see what some people would like about RIPC, but it's quite far from what I am looking for in a string. If TB is more like RIPC than PPA, it's on the wrong side of the fence, for me.

    Regarding TFMF, I assume you are saying the current stuff is stiffer than PPA. Are you able to say whether it's closer to RIP or to PPA, in terms of stiffness?
    Doesn't seem to happen often, but when TW offers 3 sets of Gamma Pro for $40, it becomes very attractive.

    EDIT: Looks like TW is offering Gamma Pro for $13.30 a set when you buy 3 or more.:)
     
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  5. Passion4Tennis

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    Has anyone tried the PPA 17?
     
  6. mrmike

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    I have some PPA 17 queued up for my next string job. Have Biphase 17 installed now. I like the X1B, but it is starting to loosen up already after about 6 hrs.
     
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    What string set up? I'm still experimenting on the budget end. Have a few rackets with OGSM 17 and a few with Isospeed Baseline Control 16. Also finishing off my Forten sweet 16 maybe getting a reel of Forten Sweet 17 cause I love its playability.

    Still pondering if 3.5 Saephanh (me) should spring for gut... But i have time as my rackets will be taking a while to get here.
     
  8. mikeler

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    Sorry buddy. Gotta call 'em like I see 'em.


    It was up in the low 80s when we played yesterday with no wind. The warm weather definitely helped.


    PPA is one of the few multis that I feel confident flattening out balls with. I had zero confidence with RIP Control. Just never knew quite what the response off the string bed would be. If you buy 3 sets of Gamma Pro, send me one. I do have PayPal. :)


    Ahhhh, the dreaded BiPhase death. Great name for the string since it has two phases. Phase I = Pure awesomeness while Phase II = Pure garbage.


    If you are not a string breaker, you should definitely consider full gut. Just take care of it and that will last you a long time.
     
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    Noticed that PPA comes in black, too. Just sayin'.

    :)
     
  10. mrmike

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    Yeah I guess I didn't want to believe the other reports out there. As you guys said - first time out - Fantastic, 2nd time out - really good, 3rd time out, OK. 4th time out I was starting to spray balls out that were not going out the first 3 sessions. I guess $16 / set is a little too steep to stick with it. Hoping PPA will work out, I like the price a lot better also. Currently have a set of Wilson NXT control 16 on my backup frame and that had an initial loss, but seems to be hanging in there pretty well. I guess it didn't help that the X1 is 17G, but I am kind of liking that gauge in my 18x20 Prestige MP.
     
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    It's kind of hard to believe a string behaves like this because very few multifilaments, if any, also deteriorate in this manner.
     
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    Hey Mikeler or anyone else that has tried PPA...

    does PPA have the right properties to be a good cross for a poly main? Is it hard and slick enough not to notch and prevent the poly mains from sliding?
     
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    String movement is minimal, so it may very well lock the poly into place. I would not worry about the whole poly sliding thing. If you have the right technique, you could put shoe strings in and get topspin.
     
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    Got almost 9 sets of singles and 1 set of doubles on PPA and it refuses to break. Very good durability on this stuff. It was very windy last night, so I was struggling a little bit. Think the only downside I can see with this string up to this point is touch shots. Everything else I'm very pleased with. Full review coming if I can break this tomorrow.
     
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    Wow this is awesome to read. I hit with Full RIP 16 last night and it felt amazing, and is easily my #1 string right now due to the feel, comfort and control. Tension maintenance is pretty good, I don't prestretch or anything and it drops 5 pounds after initial hitting, which I consider pretty standard.

    My main concern is how long it will last before I break it. If it only lasts 4 hours or so like the last set, I will have to try something else. It sounds like the PPA could be ideal.
     
  16. Up&comer

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    Wait a second. You're using the PD+ now? I thought the 6.1 95 was the perfect racket for you. Then again, you don't seem to stick with rackets too long :).

    Anyway, I'm hoping to try out some PPA once I get fully used to my rebels.
     
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    For reference, I broke NXT after 7 hours. An average multi will be between 8-10 hours for me. RIP Control 16 in a full bed will last me somewhere between 12 to 19 hours. Tension isn't going to drop much more after the initial drop. If RIP Control 16 doesn't last long enough for you, I don't know what to tell you except your only other option is tournament nylon.
     
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    mikeler off topic but am trying WC Black 5 edge 17g for the first time . Have played with solinco bite 17g at 48 and wc silverstring at 53. Am a topspinning baseliner who wants some power and more spin. Racquet donnay 94 platinum. What tension would you suggest I string it at with these strings? thanks
     
  19. mikeler

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    If you liked Silverstring at 53, then I'd start with that tension since B5E is supposed to be the successor to Silverstring.
     
  20. mikeler

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    Lately, many of the multis have been lasting 4 sets or so for me, so PPA is a welcome treat.
     
  21. Up&comer

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    4 sets? You lucky dog.
     
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    Would be curious to see how much time you would get out of PPA. Hint, hint. :)
     
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    Once I get used to my rebels.
     
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    I went light. It's so easy on me to play with 11oz sticks vs 12. I am a spin hitter with open stance and all that modern crap. I went 6.1..then lighter with the Pro Open which is the Wilson Pure Drive (awesome). I then really started missing the XL racquets and demoed a Pure Drive plus since there is no Pro Open plus...and here I am.

    I don't think I ever said the 6.1 was perfect, but my god is it good. I would still say it is amazing, but it is 12.5 ozs and I don't like "letting the racquet do the work".

    And I switch racquets a lot..lol.
     
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    Well it sounds like the PPA may last longer? The RIP has not busted on me yet (2 hours in). The last RIP I used lasted 4 hours, but it was 17 gauge.

    If I get 12-19 hours out of it, I'm going to be very very happy and buy a reel. If It breaks after 4-8, I already have my list:

    Iontec 1.25
    my 6.1 gut mains/msv poly setup.
    And this PPA that seems to be rather durable. I know Mikeler is a string breaker as well.

    I break strings faster now that I went to a lighter stick, but my control and pace and spin AND serve is all better so it is worth it.

    Up&Comer have you used 16 gauge rip in a full job before? Just wondering if you did and how long you got out of it.
     
  26. Up&comer

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    ^^ The 16 gauge lasted me longer than any other multi I used, but I don't remember exactly how long it lasted. Maybe 3 hours?
     
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    cool..ill keep PPA in mind if the other setups I listed dont work out.
     
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    Hey, Mike---do you think I should try a set of PPA 17, when I'm pretty used to Mantis Comfort and Rip Control 17 right now?
     
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    Yes you should. I want to hear your reviews and it is not my money. :)
     
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    You are an animal.
     
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    I'm having trouble serving for long periods on days where I lift weights the previous day. Makes me think I need to go to a lighter stick like the Exo Tours at times. Then when I take a day off before playing tennis, I seem to play great the next day most times. I can really take a good whack at the ball with the 7G so it would be hard to give up.
     
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    thats what lead me to the PD+..EXO tour was a little too low powered (but super comfortable), 6.1s were rather tiring certain days after lifting weights. the extended sticks hit so big stock that you get the best of both worlds.

    Of course it's a stiff racquet..hence my foray into this thread.
     
  33. mikeler

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    Start with PPA and go from there. I still have 5 more multi tests upcoming.
     
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    I love PPA. I had it strung on my spare Ki 5x, and if it plays like it did on my APDGT it will probably be my go to multi. I only played with it for about 5 hours on my APDGT, but I knew from looking at it that it would probably go another 5 hours.

    However, for pure durability my money is on RIP Control 16. I've played with it long enough to know it's tough as nails. It would have gone 20 hours if I let it, but I was getting sick of looking at it for so long I cut it at 19!
     
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    ^^^

    If the RIP is the most durable then it's my string. Let me see how long it deals with my topspin.
     
  36. mikeler

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    RIP it up PP. :)
     
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    Thanks. Actually I did not like ss at 53. Wanted to go lower so have strung b5 @ 51. Let's see how it goes.
     
  38. mixedmedia

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    So the RIP 16 has a lot better durability vs. the 17? And how much playability drop? I have an 18x20 racquet, and don't break strings as much as some.
     
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    Got almost 11 sets of singles and 2 sets of doubles now on PPA. Still hanging in there. I may go ahead and write the review and update the durability/tension maintenance later.
     
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    Write it up, man! :)
     
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    Attacking the competition, Prince produces a winner

    OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Prince Premier Attack White 16.

    Strung up Prince Premiere Attack 16 in what seems like ages ago due to gout. It was very easy to string up with the exception of the coil memory. A light prestretch would have taken care of that easily but I don't want to prestretch any multis I test so that there are less variables changed between playtests. Really nice feel bouncing the ball off the strings so I was expecting this one to have real potential. It most certainly did.

    Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 Mains(52#)/Genesis Thunder Blast 16 Crosses(56#)
    Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
    Power (or lack there of): Medium powered multi
    Feel: Average
    Tension maintenance: Final tension loss was 12.9% according to RacquetTune.
    Price: $9.50/set, $150.00/reel. Not a great reel price.
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: I could tell on the first few hits that I was going to like this on serves but was concerned it might have too much pop on groundies. The string is rough like Premier LT and both provide very good spin for a multi. I loved this string for everything but drop shots where it was just average.

    Serve/Return of Serve: First serve has some nice pop. I was definitely able to generate aces when my shoulder was not sore from the previous day at the gym. Kick serves were really jumping off the court. I don't go for returns like some of my opponents but I felt very comfortable hitting any type of shot off my returns.

    Strokes: Lots of spin on both wings. Depth control was good. This string felt like MultiFeel/LT for spin which is just below RIP/Hexy Fiber for spin potential. When I wanted to blast forehands, I felt like I could without having to worry about the trampoline effect. I mention this a lot, but when I can pull opponents off the court with short cross court forehands, they are usually in trouble. I did this often. My inside out forehand was great too. My slice backhand is lethal with this string. The topspin 1 hander was pretty good with it too. Everything just feels great with it.

    Volleys: It's very good for volleys almost like RIP. Volleys felt very solid when I tried to punch them. Touch volleys were OK but not stellar.

    Touch shots: It's not bad for touch shots, but not great either. This is the one minor weakness with this string.

    Softness: The string feels quite soft. Probably a top 10 multi for arm comfort. Yet another string that does not correlate with the RSI stiffness rating. I think elbow sufferers will be able to tolerate this string well. The string did seem to stiffen up at the end. I had this same thing happen with LT, kind of strange.

    Tension: Perfect for my game.

    Durability: Because the strings don't move that much, I thought notching in the same place could be a problem. Logged 15 sets of singles on PPA and 2 sets of doubles. I cut it out because the last 2 matches my shoulder has been a little bit sore.

    Movement: String movement was very little especially for a multi. KCraig would approve.

    Conclusion: I said this about the more expensive Premiere LT in that review: "Too bad it is so expensive because I'm sure more people would buy it if the price were right. I would also prefer it to be just a tad softer." It seriously is like Prince developed this string based on those comments. This one just about does it all folks, go out and test if for yourself. Because of the excellent durability and terrific all around performance, I can easily say this is the best mid-priced multi on the market and certainly a contender for best overall.
     
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    Great write-up, mikeler! Thank you! At the exact same regular price as RIP Control, but with RIP on a nice sale, would you still say PPA 16g is the way to go for playability and durability?
     
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    The reel price on PPA is pretty lousy, as you noted.
     
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    Don't save a few bucks on RIP, not worth it.
     
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    Yes, sir! That's what I had begun to think after the post in the PPA 17 thread. Thanks a bunch.
     
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    No problem. Just really impressed with the PPA. I almost did not add it to my order, glad I did on KCraig's request.
     
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    Yes, definitely; I think everyone's quite glad you did and that KCraig requested it.
     
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    Great review. Agree with all of it and particularly depth control on ground strokes. Seemed like the better than average spin had forehands diving in when I was half expecting them to sail.

    Got 15 sets out of mine before they broke. Quality seemed to me to decline those last couple sets. Strung up Weiss Cannon Explosiv yesterday and it was fair but I have to admit to already missing the PPA.
     

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