Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I'm very curious to try Legend. I bought it based on your durability report. I doubt I'll get that length of time in the Exo though.
     
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    I agree. It won't last as long on an EXO3 Tour. You do have to take your time stringing it. Wilson gut is undoubtedly better finished than Klip Legend. Kinking is the main problem, and it can shorten the life of the string if you're not careful. Fortunately, I already knew what it was like to string Mamba Premium.
     
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    I strung 2 el cheapi Unifibre jobs before the Wilson. It was night and day in terms of ease of stringing.
     
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    I just broke KTM on a shank after 5 hours of play. That's the 3rd multi I broke on a shank in under 5 hours. I guess it has to be me and not the strings. I'm hitting harder but contact is off-center too often. Looks like I'm forced to play with gut now. Fortunately, Pacific Classic is looking like a winner. It's very soft. It might even be softer than MCS, and unlike MCS it's crisp enough to play a good net game.
     
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    I broke the Volkl Gripper in the warm up last night. Full review forthcoming.
     
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    OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Volkl Gripper 16. It was not too bad to string up since the surface was smoother than it looked.

    Tension it is strung: 54 pounds on an crank machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Discho Microfibre 54 pounds full bed
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 18
    Power (or lack there of): Medium/high powered multi
    Feel: Good feel
    Tension maintenance: I did test it with RacquetTune but it broke before I got a 2nd reading.
    Price: $13.99
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This is an average multi at an above average price.

    Serve/Return of Serve: I liked this string on serves. Had some nice pop but I was disappointed with spin. With the texture, I was expecting some more spin. Returns seemed about average.

    Strokes: Average spin on both wings. Just average in every category.

    Volleys: Pretty good in this department especially on touch volleys.

    Touch shots: My drop shots seemed to be effective with this string.

    Softness: Feels fairly soft but again it could be that the Exo Tour is the softest frame out there.

    Tension: Seemed about right for my game. Had a few random flyers but I think that was just due to me overhitting and not realizing it.

    Durability: The strings looked beat up pretty quickly but I got 5 long sets of singles out of them before they broke. I'm sure in another frame they would last longer than 5 hours.

    Movement: String movement was terrible but everything so far moves like crazy in the Exo.

    Conclusion: There are quite a few multis out there at the same price that are definitely better than this one. If they dropped the price to around the $10 mark then it would be a better value.
     
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    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    I played with Wilson Sensation Control 16 for 2 sets last night. Seems like a decent string for the price.

    I'm starting to run up against the maximum number of text allowed in a post in post #1. Will have to think about how to reorganize soon.
     
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    You already have post #2 reserved and can copy the old text to a new post and change the links.

    It would be interesting to compare how long the same strings last on your EXO3 Tour vs PST+ or 7G.
     
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    I'm thinking of combining the reviews in post #2 and #3 together into #3. Seems like the best course of action. Or I can just stop trying strings. Nah!

    The PST and 7G are both 16x20 and spec out pretty close to one another, so I don't think there will be a huge difference between those 2 frames. The Exo3 Tour is obviously a completely different beast. The strings move around so much in it that I have to think it is more than the 16x18 pattern but also the ports.
     
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    I'm in total agreement on the price point for Gripper with you but sad to see it break so quick. For whatever reason, be it the stick, game style or the like. Gripper lasted as long as DM for me.

    I'm surprised on the spin factor, especially with an open pattern. Hell, it may just be one of those instances where a certain string plays nice with certain stick and doesn't carry well to others because it's one of the spinniest multis I've played.
     
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    I can't remember how many sets I have on DM now. Probably around 5 sets, so we'll see if it breaks soon.

    I have not noticed a huge difference in spin between any of the strings yet. I might have to say Sensation has been the best for spin so far and for that reason, I moved it up 1 spot in my rankings.

    Now I've got to figure out what I want to string up tonight. All I've got left is DM and a set of Klip Legend Natural Gut 16. I could also do a hybrid with DM crosses that might be pretty sweet.
     
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    I think you've found your answer ;)
     
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    That might not be a bad idea to reduce cost. I find that I can play as well with PPA as I can with gut, but the mains can't take my shanks. I might want to try something similar someday. Maybe I'll wait until after I settle on a favorite natural gut string. I'll be curious to see how it affects spin and string movement.
     
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    Sounds like I have 2 votes for a gut/DM hybrid. Hmm, decisions decisions...
     
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    I just went back and looked at post #1 of your multis thread. Thanks for the kudos there. For the most part, our rankings are in the same order. How good do you think Maxim Touch 16 is? I've always been curious about trying it in the thicker gauge.
     
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    I'm sure you can relate, it's been so long since I had Maxim Touch strung up I'd have a hard time accurately recalling how well I liked it compared to my limited data set at the time.

    From memory, I don't think I'd bother stringing up without a free set on hand but I did enjoy the string. Hit me up sphinx780 hotmail. I've got a set I'll send your way for the benefit of TTW.
     
  17. mikeler

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    Cool, I think I may just do that!
     
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    I strung up Klip Legend 16 last night. PVAudio was right, stringing gut on the Exo with the number of blocked holes you have to get through is not fun at all.

    I also realized last night that I used Wilson Sensation Control 16 without a vibration dampener. I'll be curious as to how that affects the feel.
     
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    Full Legend, combo, one or two-piece?
     
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    Played 2 sets of singles with full Legend and used Wilson Sensation Control for a set of dubs afterward. The gut seemed too tight at first but loosened in the warm up. It did not have the pop I was expecting. It played like a really good multi.
     
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    I should say that I was probably more consistent with the gut then I have been in a long time. So I guess you always have to sacrifice something because I was hoping for some more pop on my serve like when I tried Wilson gut.

    I put the vibration dampener in the Wilson Sensation Control. I've never used vibration dampeners until the Exo but I actually liked the feel better using it. At this point, it is tough to distinguish which is better between Sensation and the Control version. Both are fairly good, I guess it comes down to whether you like soft or crisp feeling strings.

    I think I'm done string testing for now. I'm sick of stringing every few nights, so I'll stick with the DM for a little while. Sphinx780, I'll shoot you an e-mail when the string testing urge hits again. Thanks for the offer.
     
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    That was my experience also. I compared Klip Legend and MCS back-to-back and there really wasn't much difference in power, but the crispness of Legend made it better at the net. Pacific Classic is that way too but softer. In fact, I think I get more pop from PPA.

    Gut's appeal to me right now is the durability. Classic seems to be holding tension better than Legend did. A lot of that could be the weather, but I think Classic's coating might be better too. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. I don't think it would be fair for me to compare it to Legend on durability considering the way my game has changed recently.
     
  23. Muppet

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    Hi Mikeler

    If you would string your average multi at 60 LO, what tension would you use for Maxim Touch 17? I used to string the old Multifeel 16 at 55 DW. I'm thinking 56 DW for Maxim Touch 17? Should I go higher? The racquets are Dunlop 200.

    Thanks
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    Maxim Touch !7 is very powerful. Err on the high end
     
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    Thank you Mike.
     
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    On my dropweight stringer (Alpha Pioneer DC+), the adjustment is more like 6-8 pounds. If you have an iPhone and get RacquetTune, and calibrate your string factors, that will tell you the story. If I have soft multi with lots of elongation and I wait for the strings to stretch before I clamp them, a setting of 50 pounds will give me the equivalent of 58 pounds, and my machine is calibrated.
     
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    Thanks for the input Ramon. I have the same stringer as you. But I've never heard of calibrating a dropweight machine. And I find that by the time I've moved the clamp the tensioner has stopped moving. Guess I move kind of slow -lol. I'm thinking 57 lbs. for the Maxim Touch 17. I usually wind up with pretty tight stringbeds.
     
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    I use the Alpha calibrator that can you buy from New Tech (about $30 I think). My machine was right on and needed no adjustments. There's probably a good chance you don't need any adjustments either, but the calibrator will remove any doubt. I wait at least 5 seconds to clamp the mains and 20 seconds to clamp the crosses (I string the next cross while it's pulling). If I string a soft multi on my machine at 57, I know my stringbed tension will be about 65 (consider how weaving the crosses makes your mains tighter). If you set a lock-out machine at 57, and string it quickly like they do at many pro shops, you're likely to be in the low 50's or even high 40's in stringbed tension. I've actually measured it, and yes, the difference between that and my drop-weight tension can be in the neighborhood of 16 pounds.
     
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    The offer stands when the bug hits you again. I won't blame a man for getting sick of stringing that often ;-)
     
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    You still re-string at least every other week? Every 8-12 hrs?
     
  31. mikeler

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    I broke Wilson Sensation Control today. Think I only got 3 sets of singles and 1 set of doubles. Switched over to the Discho for the next set of singles and two more doubles sets. It still looks like it is in great condition. That string just has such great durability for me. Who will win in the battle of the Exo versus the Discho? Stay tuned...
     
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    OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Wilson Sensation Control 16.

    Stringing was fairly easy although the slightly rough service made the crosses a little more difficult than with a smooth multi.

    Tension it is strung: 54 pounds on a constant pull machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Discho Microfibre 54 pounds full bed
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 18
    Power (or lack there of): Medium/low powered multi
    Feel: Average feel
    Tension maintenance: I did not get a chance to measure the tension drop since it broke so quickly.
    Price: $9.95
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This is a decent multi. Seems to have less pop than regular Sensation but more control.

    Serve/Return of Serve: The lack of pop on serve made aces harder to come by. I did have a few yesterday in warm conditions which always helps move the ball. I returned pretty well with this string.

    Strokes: Everything was about average here with spin, depth control and slice.

    Volleys: Volleys were good but not great. Missed a few into the net that seemed to kind of fall off the strings.

    Touch shots: My drop shots were OK at times.

    Softness: It is definitely more firm than Sensation but in the Exo Tour feels comfy still.

    Tension: I might be tempted to go down in tension 2-4 pounds if I had to try it again to gain some pop.

    Durability: I got 3 sets of singles and 1 set of dubs before they snapped. It really gave no warning that it would break soon. I'm sure these would have lasted longer in another racket.

    Movement: String movement was less than some of the recent multis I've tested in the Exo Tour.

    Conclusion: There are better mid-priced multis out there than this one but it is a decent string nonetheless.
     
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    Discho Microfibre is the latest Exo Tour casualty. It may have been on another shank though. Hard to tell. I definitely hit it up high on the string bed when it broke. The Klip Legend looks very beat up after 5 sets. I'm not sure I'll make it to 10 hours with that setup.
     
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    I've been shanking multis too, with the difference that I didn't switch racquets. I'm actually scared to go into a tournament with a multi now, knowing that it could break at any time. I thought Klip Legend looked beat up after the first couple of sets, too. I noticed micro-fraying throughout the whole stringbed, but it just stayed that way for a long time.
     
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    I'll have to check for notching when I pull it out of the bag tomorrow.
     
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    I have been anxious to try the Discho Microfibre and finally strung it up this past weekend.

    Unfortunately I shanked a forehand while we were still warming up and broke a main right at the top of the frame.

    I'll add another set to my next order and try again. It felt really nice before the mishit.
     
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    Wow, that is pretty crazy it broke that quick.
     
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    I ran out of Solinco Tour Bite 18 and put in some old RPM 17 and forgot how bad it is in cold weather. I broke it at a grommet 15 minutes into playing with it. Temp 51F.
     
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    Hey, do you know any strings that are medium to high? But also with great feel, control and spin? Thanks
     
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    Movement on Micronite?

    Have any of you noticed a lot of movement with the Micronite? The PPA does not move at all. I am about to start only using PPA becuase the movement is driving me crazy. Using Donnay XDUAL Gold 99 in 16x19 frame and my main string is MSV CO-FOCUS...

    Thoughts? Why does the Micornite move all over the place on me?
     
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    I use a Pro Kennex Ki 5x 16x20 100 sq in. On my racquet, both PPA and Discho Microfibre don't move much at all. PPA might be a little more resistant to movement due to its stiffness, but overall, both strings are very good at staying in place compared to most multis. Mikeler says he can't tell the difference between Microfibre and Micronite, so I'm making the assumption that they are the same.

    If Micronite moves all over the place for you, maybe it's the tension. You might try going a little tighter.
     
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    Microfibre moves more than PPA. PPA is rough which makes the strings lock in place better.
     
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    Mikeler. I would like to thank you for turning me onto the Discho multifibre My son and I both have been trying strings for a few years now and we both agree how much we like it.

    My question is do you find the PPA to be very low powered and stiff almost closer to a poly than a multi ?
     
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    PPA is medium powered and feels nothing like a poly. I had no arm issues whatsoever with it.
     
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    hi mikeler, do you have a playtest on micro fibre 16g.? i only saw 17g.
     
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    Goto post #1 of this thread. It is my number 1 ranked string.
     
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    sorry i thought that was a micronite review. thanks.. youre using an open pattern 16x19 racquet. what can you say about a tight string pattern like 18x19 or 18x20?
     
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    I think Micronite and Microfibre are the same string. The Exos I'm using are actually 16x18. I'm not a fan of 18 main rackets so I can't help you much there.
     
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    thanks mikeler. i will try to put it on cross against black mamba on the main.
     

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