Discussion in 'Strings' started by mikeler, Oct 8, 2010.
Any discount if you buy a reel? Still trying to find a reel of NG.
Yes it is cheaper in the reel by almost $4 a string job.
Yay, UPS says my TW strings are here today!
Wowowow! Double that discount if you can buy 2 reels.
2 reels? That's crazy talk...
May last like 6 months, married to one string, Heresy.
I bought a used Exo Tour this weekend from another TTWer. He had Babolat synthetic gut in it. Gamma synthetic gut used to my staple of choice for a year or two. I forgot how bad synthetic gut is. I'm a multi snob now.
Used to believe Bab SG was nearly as compliant as Bab's Multis 10 yrs ago. Now my elbow knows better.
Where are you guys getting your reels of DM? Thanks.
Those who know don't tell and those who tell don't know.
Ray works close to where I live, so I got him to order me one offline. As far as I know, he does not sell it on his website. It seemed like it was a royal pain for him to get them shipped over here.
Strung up the Genesis Hex Comfort prototype last night. It was definitely not as sharp as Dunlop Hexy Fiber. Bounced a few balls off it and it feels REALLY nice and soft. Seems pretty spinny too.
I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on the Genesis multis.
I hit with it for a few minutes tonight since my opponent was late. It was a tournament match I was waiting on so I did not spend a whole lot of time with it, not enough to really give any decent feedback. Plus it was in my newly purchased used Exo Tour with a leather grip and lead tape. I play the Exo Tour stock.
Hit with the Hex Comfort during 1 set of dubs today. I was tired after a 3 set singles match. Hard to judge it still.
Our local store has 30 percent off all strings except natty right now. So I bought Dunlop DNA to test out.
I'll be looking forward to how the DNA plays. It's a little more expensive than I usually spend. But I find it appealing and might be willing to expand my budget depending on your review. ..No pressure though.
Do you have any plans or have you playtested the two new multifilament strings by WeissCannon?
They are rated very high in the actual playtest reports from this year on STRINGFORUM. In fact, they were #4 and #6 of the top 12 (#2 and #4 if you only include stings available in the US).
Top 12 Multis Stringforum (2012) - in order of overall performance:
Tecnifibre Competition 1.28*
SuperString Viper V9 Terre Multi*
Tecnifibre X-One Biphase ($17)
WeissCANNON Explosiv! ($13.)
MSV Technora 100 1.10*
Signum Pro Micronite 1.27* Tecnifibre NRG2 17 ($15.) WeissCANNON 6Star Supercharged 1.30 ($12.) Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre 1.25 ($14.)
Wilson NXT Tour 17 ($17.)
* not available in the US.
which would be the two new multis by weiss-cannon? the big fantum is one but the other? the dual reality is as the name also implies a hybrid!
He has Explosiv and 6 Star listed. I've tried Explosiv as a cross maybe one day I'll try it as a full job. The 6 Star is being discontinued and PVAudio has tried it and did not like it so I'll pass on it.
Had a very strange tournament match yesterday with a regular of mine. Both of us were playing bad and I ended up losing 7-5 in a tiebreak. I switched to a brand new set of DM and I started playing better but he did not and I won 12 straight games after that. That's the first time a beat up DM job has kind of let me down.
I lost my tournament match today, so now let the string testing begin. I strung up the Genesis B Power Prototype just now. This one also feels quite nice just bouncing balls off it. We shall see how it plays on court...
I cut out my sets of Tier One Triumph this evening. I'm debating about cutting out my other two rackets which have 2 sets each on the DM in there. While I hate cutting out relatively new strings, I also like to rotate my rackets equally. If I do cut them out, I can put in the Genesis Multi Max and the Triumph.
The Triumph looks suspiciously like DM down to the color. I put them both up against the light and they look the same. The only difference I can detect is in smell so I'm guessing something about the coating is different. Both strings are very smooth.
Are you interested in trying Donnay X-Copoly 17?
Not looking at trying any polys for a few months.
Played 2 long sets of singles today and 2 long sets of dubs after that. I used the Hex Comfort for 1 set of singles and 1 set of dubs. I did the same for the B Power. So I think I have a good feel for these 2 strings now.
Unfortunately, the Hex does not have any extra spin versus other multis and it moves around like crazy. The bright spot for this string is ground strokes, I felt really confident in rallies.
The B Power was a little more inconsistent on ground strokes. I did like it better on serves where I was able to get a little more pop.
Everything else was fairly average with these strings. Nothing exceptionally good or bad.
What is the lowest powered mutli you have tried?
Probably Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 and Head RIP Control 16 if you don't count prototype strings. The RIP Control did seem to have quite a few random flyers though.
I played 2 sets of singles and 2 sets of doubles with the Genesis Hex Comfort last night. The touch is definitely good with this string. Comfort is good too. I don't know why but it seems like even though I like the string, I'm having trouble finishing points with it. I tend to miss just by a few inches. The strings are a mess, moving all over the place. Most strings that have done that in the Exo Tour have not lasted too long but I did not see any major notching.
TW Reviews of Technifibre strings
Did you see
Do you have your own review to compare with?
I am NOT very good with search engines-sorry
I have links to all my reviews on the first post of this thread. I've tried out Biphase 16 but not 17...yet:
BTW, I saw in another thread you were looking for reviews of Gamma Professional. I'll be playtesting that most likely in late January.
I have also tried Black Widow as a main string. It had too much spin, everything was landing short. It was soft though.
Yay Gamma Professional!
If you are bothered by string movement (I'm not because I've never found any multi that doesn't move like crazy on me) then GPro will probably annoy you a bit. But the ball just feels so awesome coming off a tight string bed with GPro that it's totally worth it (IMO)
Most of my multi setups look like spaghetti after a set or two in my 16x18 Exos. The tension I'm using is 50 pounds because my rackets are so flexible which only compounds the problem of string movement.
I could not imagine stringing GPro that low. It's so incredibly soft that (IMO) you don't need (or want) to. I used to string some of the off brand multis low (like Pro Supex Maxim Touch or Tourna Quasi Gut). I would string them on my lock out at around m:54,x:51
But then I got a constant pull machine, and I started in addition, upping the tension b/c I was having trouble keeping the ball in. Then I discovered GPro and realized that I got the same soft, cushy, ball-pockety feeling from it even strung fairly high on a constant pull (m:61,x:59).
That's the tension I've been using consistently with it. I've considered even nudging it a tad higher but haven't tried it yet.
I appreciate it
I am going to coach a high school this spring and I will need some info for the team.
Thank you again.
I have a bit different question:
I have found a table-see below
Does it mean that Pacific Tough Gut 16 L is a bit SOFTER than the Wilson Gut 16 ?
Gut (Sorted by Stiffness)
Company String Material Gauge Stiffness (lbs/in.) Tension loss (lbs)
Pacific Tough Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.28 83 7.52
Pacific Tough Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.26 88 6.75
Pacific Prime Gut 16L (Bull Fiber) Natural Gut 1.28 90 8.62
Pacific Classic Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.28 92 6.39
Pacific Prime Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.30 92 6.86
Pacific Tough Gut 17L Natural Gut 1.20 94 9.29
Pacific Prime Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.28 97 5.75
Pacific Tough Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.23 97 9.22
Head Natural Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.25 99 8.73
Pacific Classic Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.28 100 7.78
Wilson Natural 16 Natural Gut 1.31 102 8.43
Babolat VS Team 17 Natural Gut 1.26 102 8.45
Prince Natural Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.23 102 8.49
Pacific Prime Gut 16 (Bull Fiber) Natural Gut 1.32 103 8.05
Wilson Natural 17 Natural Gut 1.26 103 8.13
Pacific Tough Gut 15L Natural Gut 1.40 103 8.66
Klip Armour Pro 16 Natural Gut 1.30 105 7.43
Klip Armour Pro 17 Natural Gut 1.28 105 7.70
Pacific Prime Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.22 105 8.45
Babolat VS Touch Black Natural Gut 1.31 106 7.93
Klip Legend 16 Uncoated Natural Gut 1.28 106 8.11
Gaucho Classic 16 Natural Gut 1.26 106 10.32
Pacific Classic Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.30 106 11.01
Babolat VS Touch 16 Natural Gut 1.30 107 8.31
Pacific Tough Gut Imperial (Blue Spiral) 16 Natural Gut 1.30 110 8.23
Klip Legend 16 Natural Gut 1.28 113 8.77
Klip Legend 17 Natural Gut 1.27 113 9.31
Prince Natural Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.31 114 8.49
Babolat Tonic+ Thermogut Ball Feel Natural Gut 1.35 114 8.84
Gamma Natural Gut Tour 17 Natural Gut 1.28 116 9.20
Gamma Natural Gut Tour 16 Natural Gut 1.32 117 8.47
Babolat VS Touch 15L Natural Gut 1.35 118 8.68
Boris Becker Hero 16L Natural Gut 1.25 119 8.45
Volkl V Icon 17 Natural Gut 1.27 119 8.84
Tourna Natural Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.30 119 9.06
Gaucho Gold 16 Natural Gut 1.38 119 9.11
Babolat Tonic+ Thermogut Longevity Natural Gut 1.38 119 9.26
Volkl V Icon 16 Natural Gut 1.31 123 8.10
Gaucho Red 15L Natural Gut 1.42 124 9.55
Kevlar (Sorted by Stiffness)
Company String Material Gauge Stiffness (lbs/in.) Tension loss (lbs)
Pacific Powercraft 18 Kevlar / Nylon 1.10 508 14.67
Forten New Age 18 Kevlar / Nylon 1.13 511 18.43
Forten Aramid Composite 18 Kevlar / Nylon 1.11 516 15.04
Forten Ultra Thin Blend 18 Kevlar 1.12 545 15.12
Forten Thin Blend 18/17 (Main) Kevlar 1.15 557 14.33
Head FXP Blend 17 (Main) Kevlar 1.24 574 15.73
Forten Aramid Composite 17 Kevlar / Nylon 1.17 597 11.27
Forten Aramid Gear 16L Kevlar 1.42 610 10.43
Silent Partner Gutsy Aramid 17 Kevlar 1.15 623 11.38
Forten Aramid Gear 15 Kevlar 1.45 627 11.84
Golden Set Dura Match (Main) Kevlar 1.14 634 17.33
Alpha Tourna Blend 18 (Main) Kevlar 1.18 634 21.03
Gamma TNT2 Fusion Plus 19 (Main) Kevlar 1.23 640 17.33
Alpha Tourna Blend 17 (Main) Kevlar 1.24 647 20.64
Alpha Tourna Blend 15 (Main) Kevlar 1.39 662 20.37
Ashaway Kevlar 18 Kevlar 1.08 671 27.21
Gamma TNT2 Fusion Plus 16 (Main) Kevlar 1.28 674 16.36
The Exo Tour has a flex rating of 52. It just does not have any pop, so you need the lower tension to compensate for the high flex. KCraig is using gut/poly in the low 50s with the same racket.
Wilson Gut and Mantis Comfort are the two softest strings I've tried. The fact that Pacific Tough Gut has the word "tough" in it would lead me to believe without playtesting that it is more stiff.
Take these numbers with a grain of salt. I've found many cases where my arm disagrees with their limited test data.
Mantis Comfort, Dunlop Hexy and TF multifeel all on its way, thanks a ton mikeler!
I probably should add a note in my playtest of Multi Feel that I think they changed the formula I tested. When I tried it as a cross most recently, it seemed much stiffer.
X3 cheers for mikeler's multis!!!
I tried my first set of gut. Was going to try klip legend for some mid priced gut. The stringer was out of it so they subbed Boris becker hero 60#. It's dyed orange and took a about 30 min to break in or maybe it was me getting use to it.
What I noticed first was that it was powerful fr the get go. First serves where moving. The more aggressive I played, the better the ball quality. It shined for me on the bh slice, direction control, punch volleys and even touch and feel shots. Had a great sounding pop after it settled in. It looks really ratty now but there isn't as much notching...just fraying.
Some days it would drizzle a bit so I took out the racquet with PPA at 60# and put the gut away. I follow this thread and decided to try xcel, PPA, multi feel (got TGV by accident) after reading the reviews here.
PPA was ready fr the get go. No break in period. It was just as comfy as the hero gut but a little less power. It had that nice crisp sound on volleys. A good sounding string makes the soul feel good.
I personally will go back to PPA before I try Hero again.
Thanks for the many reviews.
Gamma pro is on my radar too. I heard it took what was good with Live Wire XP up a notch (which I've hit with happily). Excellent power, bite, feel, and plenty comfy. I had it strung up at 57#.
I would agree that Gamma Pro is similar to Live Wire XP, but is a notch above it. Lwxp is great for the price, but my preference is still GPro. I find it to me most similar to Nat Gut of any string I've tried (though tension maintenance is not as good as NG). But I break multis in 6 to 8 hours (regardless of brand) so I typically break them before tension loss is a major issue for me.
Glad the thread has been useful to you.
So far I'd say X1 Biphase has been the closest playing wise to gut, definitely not as soft. Perhaps the GPro will change my mind there.
According to Gamma their string is superior to NG
Nice. Must be their patented irradiated process.
I know most people think this is garbage/advertising/marketing/whatever.
But I actually DO prefer Gamma Professional to natural gut. And I've used Babolat VS, Pacific, Klip, you name it.
Don't get me wrong, natural gut is wonderful. But for whatever reason, I find that I enjoy playing with Gamma Pro the most.
GPro is sweet, for a week.
Just picked up a pack of X1 Biphase at 30% off. I'm wondering if my lower tension of 50 will allow it to play better for longer. This time I'll track tension loss with RacquetTune.
Mikeler or anyone else, have you guys tried the Donnay X-Micron?
I am demoing a Donnay X-dual gold and it is strung with this stuff - very decent, on the crisp side with good control and still comfort is there. I do not use multis very often, but I am pleasantly surprised with this one.
I will be trying it out in 2 or 3 months in my Prince Exo Tour 16x18.
Hmm, may have to try it in the future.
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