Discussion in 'Strings' started by mikeler, Mar 26, 2011.
That took me a few minutes, but now I get it! ...i think...? haha
Yes , thats because Mantis is your string now. Gets kind of obssesive, right now Im into Volkl rackets. By the way, this could be a good racket brand to combine with Mantis. Good luck in your search.
Just re-reading this thread, and remembered that you used the same racquet!
I think I may do what you did and use some lead tape on 3/9. On this racquet, what exactly changed (both for the better and the worse) after the lead tape was put on 3/9?
Basically, how did it play differently?
Btw, I'm going to string my racquets up either tonight or tomorrow night:
1st setup: MPP/MCS at 57/60
2nd setup: MCP/MCS at 57/60
Anything anyone thinks I should change?
I sure hope it is! Great price, great quality, (and the yellow and black will look sharp in my racquet!)
Yes, Volkl has very high quality products! I just got a few new racquets though, and they were pretty expensive... I probably won't be switching for awhile.
Thanks, as always!
I will surely keep Volkl in mind for future purchases!
yes, you should change!!!
1. why is it you want to string the crosses higher than the mains? if you like a stiffer stringbed than it is o.k., it's just that you should want it, i.e. you should be aware of it.
2. you should go down at least 2lbs with the comfort poly. it you string a 1.25 and a 1.30 at the same tension, you will automatically percieve the 1.30 as much stiffer when compared to the 1.25. much stiffer and less responsive!
therefore i would suggest you either go down with the tension on the comfort poly hybrid or you go up on the power poly hybrid.
I'll change that! How's this?:
1st setup: MPP/MCS at 59/60
2nd setup: MCP/MCS at 57/59
Should I tweak it any more in one direction or the other? What do you think?
Open to all forms of opinions!
yes, that looks much better.
remember: generally you go down 2lbs with thicker strings.
this is valid when we are talking about strings that are of the same material and have quite similar properties - for instance string x at 1.25mm should be strung 2lbs higher than the same string x but in 1.30mm diameter. this does not apply when comparing poly to multi and you also should look up the tension loss characteristics of the strings themselves. for instance, when you know that y certain string is losing much more than the average loss for it's category, than you go higher no matter what gauge. but if you were to compare two different gauges of this particular string then it applies again. i hope i made myself clear.
what you are basically looking for when stringing a stick is not the individual tension of a string, or mains and crosses, but you are looking for a specific stringbedstiffnes, because the stringbed is what impacts the ball. you will find out that there are more possibilities to obtain the same stringbedstiffnes, therefore by going down on the thicker gauges (which by definition are stiffer) you will look into the same stringbedstiffnes you obtain with the thinner gauge strung higher.
same stringbedstiffness does not mean same dynamic behaviour on impact!!! so, even if they are the same in terms of stringbedstiffnes, they will feel and play differently. but when you compare shoes you take both models in the size that fits you and see which is more comfortable. you wouldn't go for one of a size that will not fit you or make you feel uncomfortable.
Once again, Thanks! I will always keep that in mind!
Btw, do you think that MPP/MCS at 59/60 and MCP/MCS at 57/59 will have a relatively close stringbedstiffness? If they can be closer, how should I adjust the tension accordingly?
If it helps, here are the Total Tension Losses
Comfort Synthetic 16 = 12.6lbs.
Comfort Poly 16 = 23.4 lbs.
Power Poly 17 = 24.0 lbs.
(The Tennis Warehouse String Database doesn't have the Power Synthetic )
Let me know what you think!
At a same tension, 2 strings of different gauge but same type of string which one will have more elasticity or in another word 'flex' more ? My logic will pick the one of thicker diameter to flex more due to it has more material to expand. Please share your thought.
Think of the thicker as a tree trunk and the thinner as a branch. The branch will typically bend (flex) more than the trunk. Think of a thick wooden board vs a thinner one. The thinner one will flex more because it is easier due to the lesser amount of material.
Does that help?
stringbeddeflection will be higher on the thinner one. the example with the tree and the branch is very good.
yes, with those tensions i expect the stringbedstiffnesses to be approx. the same.
Wow, you sure went with the boring colors.
I know, right!? I asked for the Syns in black. They said they only have the power syn in black right now, so I said that's fine... Then they sent me the natural one! What's up with that!? :grin:
If you want a quick high, take a big whiff of the MCS right out of the package.
i think that's part of the addiction with that string. each time you string it you get high and you don't mind if it breaks all that often - so you're high (almost) all the time.
I would drop the tension down--54/56 is what I would start with. That frame is not the softest. Good luck and can't wait for you to finally hit/test something
I think I'm around the 10 hour mark on my 2nd B5E/MCS setup. I'm starting to see the MCS coating coming off in a few places. This time I'll play with it until breakage.
Haha You must feel like the Beatles, when opening the reel!
yes, that must be the "lucy in the sky with diamonds" thing.
personally i'm playing it at around 50lbs in a very stiff frame (the mantis 300), but then i have some more years on the counter. i guess our friend here is a healthy lad of 16 summers with some muscle (otherwise he would not have spoken about playing 12+hrs a day) to his bones, so if he likes firmer set-ups his last proposal would be o.k. i agree that going down a few lbs would be no mistake either, but then it's up to him.
Haha! That gave me few good laughs...
1st setup: MPP/MCS at 57/59
2nd setup: MCP/MCS at 56/59
(Want similar stringbedstiffness between the two setups so I can actually compare the strings themselves)
Let me know what you think!
go with the 57/59 and 56/59 settings.
and now you go and string those darn sticks man! and then you go and hit the ball and come right back and tell us all what your impressions were.
You can do it sberman51! String 'em up!
Alright. I just finished my rough draft of my Paper, performing at a concert tonight, won't get home until maybe 9:30. Then I have to string for a customer, then I'll do my own. It'll be a long day...and a long night...
By the way, I am wondering how stencils are on poly-mains hybrids? Do they stay on? Do they affect the playability?
This new inquiry could postpone your demo of the strings. Is it a strategy for not playing?
Seriusly, in my limited experience using them they dont affect playability but the ink comes off pretty fast when you begin playing.
Sweet. I don't really care if they come off fast, I just don't want it to change the playability Also, I wanted to know just in case customers ever ask! :wink:
no, stencil ink does not affect playability, it just paints the balls.
Lovely Then I'll always know which ones are mine!
*shouts* Hey, on court 3! Do you have any Wilson 4s? How 'bout any multi-colored balls? Can't deny that now, can ya!? Lol
Finally home... Let's string these puppies up!
Unless the other guy on court 3 uses same colored ink in stencil
Strung the bad-boy up! Too tired to post anything decent, so I'll post tomorrow on my first impressions of the setup. Though, I will say, it looks very promising!
Ok, here we go:
Stringing was easy for the MPP, though tying the end knots weren't fun...
On the other hand, stringing the MCS was an absolutely amazing experience! It stretches so much! When I did the first tensioning, I thought something was wrong with the tensioner and the string was going to snap! But, to my surprise (after some reaallly slow tensioning the first time ), it didn't snap, and is just veeerry stretchy! The starting knot I tied using the MCS has got to be one of, if not the best quality and easiest starting knots I have ever tied!
When stringing this hybrid, I had a very good feeling this was going to play well.
I'm off to try it now!
Here are some pics:
Let me know what you think, and if you've had similar experiences stringing either of these two strings!
Now I see why they call MCS the noodle, that is the "get high" noodle"
yes, it is a veeeery stretchy string. nevertheless plays adorable afterwards.
i have the feeling though that you did not listen to my advice and went to play "fresh off the stringer". in this case you will have been hitting through the stabilization period and will experience the initial tension drop. be patient on your next hitting session, dial yourself in to the stabilized tension and then make a true evaluation of let's say your second and third sessions - has the tension dropped more, how is directional control, etc.
MCS is a delight to string up.
Did you pay extra for the overgrip or it was part of the deal?
Every time i ordered string from Mantis i got some free OG's. They gave me 6 twice and 3 once. Nice grips btw
That must be a thing they do for their European customers.
Well, I dont live in Europe but I have a french and italian last names from my fathers side. Do I get free overgrips?
I agree. Gosen Micro is just as easy.
Amen to that!
I strung it the night before. I waited 17 hours before hitting. Strangely enough, I did infact experience the initial tension loss. I LOVED it at first. With this setup, I have now reached the 6.5 hours mark. I can really feel the tension loss. I liked it better at the beginning.
I'm going to string it tighter next time. (is that the right thing to do in this situation? I'm about to string the MCP/MCS setup. I think after this experience with tension loss, (also because I Hate it when the strings are too loose) I will string the mains at 57 aswell even though they are a little bit thicker.
no notching thus far. A few brown marks on the crosses where they meet the mains. I see this as a sign of early breakage, but is this normal?
yes, stringing a little bit higher would be the way to go.
i understand that you liked it better at the beginning as it was playing somewhat crisper than it does now. is it too low now? how is power, directional control and spin right now?
generally speaking, whenever we try something new (i've done it so many times so far and still make the same mistake) we tend to like it as it is different. there are few cases (look through the board), when something new was not good, did not provide that aha-effect. fresh strings are something of this deceptive sort - unless you are nadal/fed/djok, you can't have fresh strings every 30 minutes. so we tend to overreact on the things the "new" one is doing differently from the "old" one and we also use to filter the bad things out (for instance: i get weird kick into my serve - noted as a positive, but when the volley is flying all over the place we don't see it as big as the weird kick on the serve).
see if you can get accustomed to the new and lower tension and try to evaluate what you get in terms of spin, comfort, control, power, durability, touch etc. once the string has stabilized.
Right now, spin is good, directional control is decent, spin is good, power is a little too much, and the tension is now too low.
I am just about to string my other racquet. The origional plan was to string it at 56/59, but the tension is now too low on the other setup. The mains on the MCP are 1.30, vs the 1.25 on the MPP. How should I adjust the tension accordingly? I'm thinking of maybe 57.5/59 for the MCP/MCS setup. And for the future, 58.5/59 for the MPP/MCS setup.
I need to string it in a few minutes, so I need some opinions and fast!
Btw, I'll be hitting at noon tomorrow, which will allow it 16.5 hours to settle. Is that enough?
^^^ An actual sberman51 playtest! The end of the world may come to pass today after all!
the tension drop on the mcp is not that high as with the mpp, so, taking into account that you say that the mpp is already on the soft side, i'd go with 58 on the mcp mains and make it 61 for the mcs in the crosses.
after taking the stick out of the stringer, put the stick on a soft carpet and step onto the stringbed (quickly, not stand on it!!!) for maybe 20 times. this will help with stabilization and don't worry about the stick, it will not suffer unless you are well over 80kg (approx. 175lbs.). i would say that under these circumstances you will experience minimal tension loss after you start hitting with it.
Thanks! That is amazing advice, and I will surely do that!
I'm guessing that your answer, based on the increases with the MCP/MCS, will be 59/61, but what tension should I string the MPP/MCS before I step on it?
UPDATE: I just strung up the MCP/MCS setup at 58/61 and then proceeded to do the string-stepping procedure as previously mentioned by fgs.
An amazing setup to string with. Though it is a poly, the MCP was really easy to tie knots with. I was stringing peacefully, and it only took me 30 minutes, give or take a few.
I am hitting tomorrow at noon and will report back on what I find.
By the way, I was already experiencing friction burn on the crosses by the time I reached around the 4 hour mark. Is this a sign of early breakage? Or is this normal?
Ok. I went out and hit with the MCP/MCS setup for 2 hours. I could feel a noticeable difference between the two. The MCP felt like it was "heavier," if you will, when hitting the ball. My serves were very good with this setup. It may be because of either the gauge, tension, and hitting time, but the MPP felt a little "lighter" to hit with.
Will post back after more hitting.
what you felt is the impact of the ball on the strings - the mcp has less stringbed deflection, so you will have a "heavier" feel of the ball upon impact and you feel you work more. the mpp, besides being strung lower has more stringbed deflection mainly due to the smaller diameter and i suppose also due to the different material, resp. additives.
when you have lesser stringbeddeflection you are "pancaking" tha ball more, meaning that it deforms more upon contact with the stringbed. with thinner strings, more elastic strings or lower tensions, stringbed deflection rises and you have less "pancaking", giving you the sometimes wrong idea that you hit a "lighter" ball, because you don't feel so much effort with each stroke.
i had to put much faster swings on the mcp in order to achieve the same effectiveness of my strokes as compared to the mpp - at least this is what my opponents and practice partners told me. on the other hand i had to sweat more with the mcp, obviously.
Broke my 2nd B5E/MCS setup in the crosses. This time, there was much less warning that the MCS was going to blow out. It did look worn down but I never saw the outer coating come off nor did I see it "hanging on by a thread". Think I got about 12 sets out of it which for me equates to about a 2 week time between restrings which I like.
Just restrung it outside in my driveway. Luckily it is shaded by a big oak tree since it is 95 degrees out right now.
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