Mikeler's Polys

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  1. jonestim

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    According to a tennis man in germany that sells them, it is available in black 1.30. Salmon 1.35 exists as well.
     
  2. tdhawks

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    Are you going to try the Iontec Hexa? Interested to hear what you have to say when comparing the two.
     
  3. mikeler

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    It's really ugly to me but another guy told me it looks like it compliments my new Plushy Pumpkins of Death.


    We'll see about that! :)


    Yes I know. I'm trying to see if the USA guy can get it. I don't know how all that stuff works.


    I'm considering it (which probably means yes).
     
  4. cartel

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    LOL

    last time i was in Ft Lauderdale i saw a TON of Ontario plates at some mall where we went to eat--
     
  5. mikeler

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    It's crazy crowded down here this time of year. Then when the heat returns, it mysteriously gets less crowded.
     
  6. Ronaldo

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    Tim Hortons?
     
  7. mikeler

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    The Prince Xtra Spin looks good but does not play that great for me. I think it needs a lower tension to truly blossom. Plus I've had elbow pain after my last 2 matches where I've used it in the first set. Scissor time...
     
  8. spinovic

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    I have a set - I kinda like the salmon color. Different, that's for sure.

    Hadn't seen much about it so it is good to hear Mikeler giving it some props. I might try it out when the weather warms up here and I can actually get out and play a little bit.
     
  9. -RF-

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    Are polys only suited to hard hitters?
     
  10. Muppet

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    Polys are only suited to players who break strings frequently -and- want a lot of spin -and- don't mind stringing frequently (i.e. have their own stringer) -and- aren't prone to arm, hand, and shoulder injury -and- don't mind sacrificing comfort for performance -and- have fast racquet head speed -and- don't arm their shots.
     
  11. Ronaldo

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    Never read this warning on the Luxilon package
     
  12. mikeler

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    Dangit, I arm my forehand. Time to go back to multis. :)

    I cut out the Prince XS and installed Weiss Cannon Scorpion 1.33 this afternoon. Seems like a 2nd generation poly, not expecting much from it.
     
  13. mikeler

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    Prince Tour XS 1.35mm

    Tension it is strung: 60# on a lockout
    Your regular string set up: Discho Iontec 1.30mm @ 60# on a lockout machine
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 16 (Prince Tour 100T ESP)
    Power (or lack there of): Low powered
    Feel: Not great but it is full poly
    Tension maintenance: It dropped 17% after 2 sets of singles
    Price: $13/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: While Prince did well with the XC string, this one fell far short of my expectations.

    Serve/Return of Serve: Not very good pop on serve or spin. Returns were so/so.

    Strokes: Less spin than the other polys I've tested to date. A lot of balls were landing short on me.

    Volleys: Not great up at net.

    Touch shots: My drop shots are not very effective with full poly setups and again this string is not an exception to the rule.

    Softness: This string did not seem to agree with my arm.

    Tension: I think it would have been better strung up in the low to mid 50s for better depth and comfort.

    Durability: N/A. I cut it out after 2 sets. Only minor notching was observed when I cut it out.

    Movement: It moves quite a bit.

    Color: I wanted to fall in love with this string because the orange color is perfect in my frame. ssgator80 noticed the bright orange from the other side of the court before we warmed up. It did leave orange marks on the ball.

    Conclusion: I'm not going to let my arm pay the price for string testing. The last 2 times out, my elbow has been a little sore. I was really surprised at the lack of spin from this. Maybe 3 sided strings don't get the same spin as 5 or 7, who knows. Everything was either average or below average. At $13/set I don't think this is a good value. If you want a thick string, stick with the Tour XC.
     
  14. Muppet

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    The Iontec Black is a different string. More crisp. A lot better looking though.
     
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    Which do you think is softer?
     
  16. nickarnold2000

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    What would happen if you used a thick poly as a main(1.35mm+) and a thinner 1.25mm poly as a cross in these extreme open patterns? Wouldn't the mains take most of the force?
     
  17. mikeler

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    Try it and let us know! :)
     
  18. Nostradamus

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    I GOT the Alu power Feel now........Muhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I will string it up and review it again soon. it comes in 18 G and 15 G now
     
  19. nickarnold2000

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    I wish but my Warrior 100 ESPs won't be delivered until after Chinese New Year so it's going to be awhile yet. I hope it works because I can use up some left over poly string that's lying around. :)
     
  20. Muppet

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    In 1.25g, the salmon was softer once strung up. This fooled me as it appears to be a stiff string when it is still in the coil. I would string it another 2 lbs. higher than I did. I used it as a main string with multi crosses. Like with Topspin Cyber Blue mains, I found I was hitting long. I should have listened to PV Audio, who said to use it for a full bed or for crosses.

    The black 1.25g was very nice. It was a little firmer than the salmon and gave a good sized pocket around the ball, but the pocket was a little to wide and did not really control the ball well. It reminded me of Tourna Quasi-gut in poly form.

    My first order from Mamba was Iontec Black 1.20. This stuff was cooked spagghetti. I put it on my new Biomimetic 200 @50 and when I went to hit with it, the strings just went everywhere. But that racquet might be partly to blame. I tried to make string from my Pro's Pro Strategem reel work on it and I only got a lot of trampolining. Strategem is a somewhat similar string except that it's shaped. I'm having more luck with multis so far in the Bio 200.
     
  21. mikeler

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    Thanks for the info Muppet. I started out today using Scorpion. Wow that string is soft but not the greatest for control. I ended up switching to Razor Code at the business end of the set. I also ended up popping a cross string on the Razor Code in the tiebreak. I played two 10 point TBs after that set with Solinco Tour Bite Soft. Something about soft strings don't jive well with this frame.

    I put in Xcode today to verify my soft strings theory. This string is a breeze to string. The clamps caused some scuffing of the black coating.

    I ordered two more sets of Iontec. So far I have not found a worthy challenger to it.

    I'm glad I cut out the XS. No arm pain today.
     
  22. Matchball

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    This seems very reasonable to me. I usually play full poly, but when I was still swinging the Bio 200, I remember it was one of the very few frames I used to hybrid. So low powered.
     
  23. Power Player

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    I have a feeling cyberflash may not be your bag, since you like iontec so much. But its worth a shot. I really like iontec as well, i just remember it being too soft for me and i couldnt feel the ball like i prefer. But the spin and playability was fantastic. The black version could be more what i like. How does it compare to rpm blast? That is basically what i use in the gosen version (polybreak).
     
  24. Muppet

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    Don't mention it Mikeler. :wink:

    My MuscleWeave and Aerogel 200 racquets are pretty straight forward with how they relate to strings. ie: not at all string sensitive.

    Now I've come across this biomimetic technology that is requiring me to give it a lot of thought. When I first got it, I figured I'd just put my signature setup in and go, but the frame somehow makes the Hexy Fiber feel really thick. I tried some different polys in there, but they haven't been working out. Maybe I should try Iontec Salmon 1.25 in it.

    Right now I've strung it with Discho Microfibre 1.25 @58. I don't get much opportunity to play during the off season, but I figured the DM will hold its tension. I've got another pack waiting in case I got the first try wrong.
     
  25. Muppet

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    Mikeler, Are you sure you have this stringer type right? Lately, you've been stringing 16g polys on your ESP racquet @60 on your lockout machine. Constant pull is about 5 lbs. tighter and could account for why you like the Iontec so much. As always, I could be wrong.
     
  26. mikeler

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    Copy/paste error from the Prince Tour XC review. It was on my lockout machine. Fixed now. :oops:
     
  27. Bhairava

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    No love For tour bite 16? It is 1.34mm real, I think it can last long, never reached to break the 16L on 16x18 pattern, so I think 16 would be nice for 16x16 pattern ;)
    I tried it one time on my esp 100t but made the error of 1kg more tension on mains. The snap back was so much that I got some random launch angles. I'm looking to it again,putting 1 kilos more on crosses than to mains.
    moreover, I think 60lbs are too much for 1.35(15L) thickness. Lower tensions on those thick strings would just give an higher launch angle, but preserving more the strings from notching and maybe from death :)
     
  28. mikeler

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    The 16x16 pattern is a whole different animal. You can't think of stringing these like a traditional frame. I'll only use lower tensions on the stiffer poly strings. Tour Bite Soft is not stiff at all. The launch angle on these is already high so they need to be strung tight. I've only hit with it for 15 minutes but I did try it in a hybrid last year. It's not bad but probably not worth the money. Time will tell...
     
  29. mikeler

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    Tecnifibre Razor Code 16

    This one is a smooth poly and is easy to install.

    Tension it is strung: 60# on a lockout
    Your regular string set up: Discho Iontec 16 @ 60#
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 16 (Prince Tour 100T ESP)
    Power (or lack there of): Low/Medium powered
    Feel: Average for a poly
    Tension maintenance: My last measurement was just under 15% tension loss on RacquetTune
    Price: $16/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This is a very good poly but at $16 I would not buy it again.

    Serve/Return of Serve: Pretty good for both shots.

    Strokes: This is a nice control oriented string that fits my game.

    Volleys: Average for a poly.

    Touch shots: My drop shots are not very effective with full poly setups and again this string is not an exception to the rule. I was usually hitting them too deep in the court.

    Softness: No elbow problems here. It is a firm poly but not uncomfortable.

    Tension: 60# worked pretty well for me.

    Durability: I broke a cross after about 6 sets of singles. This is the first full poly job that I've broken the cross before the main.

    Movement: Not a whole lot of string movement at the 60# of tension.

    Color: I'm a fan of the metallic gray color for the string. No bleeding of ink on the balls.

    Conclusion: As stated above, this is a nice string but there are other polys that are just as good and lower priced.
     
  30. TennisCJC

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    I liked razor code too. Yea, it is pricey but I may buy a reel next time I want a good smooth poly. My belief is that the TF polys last a bit longer as far as quality time but I could be fooled by good marketing. This may sound weird but TF razor code has a better feel out of the package than cheaper polys like volkl cyclone. Too bad your broke a cross at 6 hours. I used TF Razor Code 17G as a cross with NRG2 17G mains and the main broke after about 10 hours but it was still playing reasonably well until it broke.
     
  31. mikeler

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    It's a good string, no doubt about it. I was surprised it did not last very long though.
     
  32. mikeler

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    Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17

    Stringing the crosses is a little more challenging with shaped polys but still not too bad.

    Tension it is strung: 65# on a lockout machine
    Your regular string set up: Discho Iontec @ 60# on a lockout machine
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 16 (Prince Tour 100T ESP)
    Power (or lack there of): Low powered
    Feel: Not great but it is full poly
    Tension maintenance: I did not measure this.
    Price: $11.90/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: I decided to try this one out a few weeks ago and played only 4 sets of doubles with it.

    Serve/Return of Serve: Since I had this strung at 65# power was lacking but spin was there.

    Strokes: Good spin off both wings and nice control.

    Volleys: Decent control on volleys but nothing exceptional.

    Touch shots: Bad.

    Softness: The 65# tension was too high for me since my arm was slightly sore afterwards. If I tried this again, I'd lower the tension to 50# or 55#.

    Tension: 65# played OK but the strings were close to breaking. They were about 3/4 notched when I cut them out.

    Durability: I think this string is just too thin for these open patterned rackets.

    Movement: Some string movement and the strings are hard to move back because they are shaped.

    Color: The string leaves no black lines on the balls.

    Conclusion: I'm having to say goodbye to my "goto" poly main for the last few years. It is just too thin and the Iontec seems to be "the one" for this new frame.
     
  33. rodrigoamaral

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    Nice review.. what other poly would you say this string plays most similar to?
     
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    I have not tried that many polys, so that is hard to say. It is really the only firm shaped poly I've tried to date.
     
  35. mikeler

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    So I hit with the Tecnifibre X-Code last night. It is nice and soft (almost multi like) and you can really feel the ball pocketing. I got the first break of serve in the 3rd game and the first point of the next game I broke it on a shank. I'm not going to write a full review based on 3 games but my initial impressions of the string are pretty positive.
     
  36. polytheist

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    As if string pattern mattered much before, the new spin-effect racquets are going to require a whole set of new stringing rules.

    I think the personalities of poly will show even more in the open patterns. B5E sucks as a full job even more :)
     
  37. jrxl

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    I have only tried 7 strings so far in my 100T ESP, but I am observing that the characteristics of each poly string are diminished compared to the same string in a less open pattern. Maybe it is because their lifespan is so short? Maybe it is user bias, as I have been playing a lot (and going through strings) lately.
     
  38. Ronaldo

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    Rules? How bout beaded string? http://www.toolchina.com/uploads/2013/01/291034349670.jpg
     
  39. mikeler

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    There is not a huge difference between most of these polys in the 100T ESP. So far the Iontec has been the only one to stand out from the crowd. I've got 2 more sets coming of Iontec, I'm hoping that it is not prone to shanks.

    I strung up Prince Beast last night. The green looks so ugly in the 100T!
     
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    well...it could be salmon... :twisted:
     
  41. mikeler

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    Believe me, the Salmon looks much better than the Beast. I may have to take a picture later...
     
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    When I played the 1.25 Iontec in an 18x20 frame, I found it to be very soft and muted. In light of what jrxl said, could this mutedness have been diminished by your open pattern racquet, making the string much more pleasant to play with? How muted did the 1.30 Iontec feel to you Mikeler?
     
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    Perhaps because of the double bridge vibration dampener, most strings feel fairly muted in this frame including the Iontec.
     
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    I enjoyed Beast 1.35 before trying XC. I prefer the feel of Prince XC 1.35 over Beast 1.35. I haven't really noticed any difference in spin, tension maintenance or longevity between the two.

    (Edit) Today I hit for about 45 minutes with XC and then switched to Beast. Beast was slightly more powerful, which I preferred, but XC stills feels better.
     
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    I'm curious to see your opinions of the beast. I found it to have very good feel for a poly. Also nice tension maintenance. I have only ever played the 16g but it was a very pleasant string... Unfortunate that it clashes with the orange, as aesthetics matter a lot subconsciously...
     
  46. mikeler

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    My 2 sets of Iontec came in today. I ordered them Saturday and it literally took 6 days to get from about 20 miles away as the crow flies to me. Thank you USPS!

    Anyways, I decided to cut out Solinco Tour Bite Soft so I could put Iontec in one of my sticks. I'm hoping this time I don't get a shear shank. It is going in a different frame, so I can probably rule out any other issues other than I can't the sweetspot if I break it on a shank again.
     
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    Solinco Tour Bite Soft 16

    This one is a profiled poly but is easy to install.

    Tension it is strung: 60# on a lockout
    Your regular string set up: Discho Iontec 16 @ 60#
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 16 (Prince Tour 100T ESP)
    Power (or lack there of): Medium/High powered
    Feel: Average for a poly
    Tension maintenance: My only measurement was 19.4% tension loss on RacquetTune
    Price: $11.50/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: This poly is very comfortable and provides great spin. The problem for me is that it is just a little bit too powerful. Overall though, a very unique string that will appeal to those who want more pop from their strings.

    Serve/Return of Serve: For me, the higher power level resulted in too many unforced errors.

    Strokes: The spin of this in a full bed and in a more extreme string pattern was nice. I only used this on 2 different occasions but I never felt confident going for my shots.

    Volleys: Average for a poly.

    Touch shots: Nothing special here.

    Softness: Terrific. This is a perfect starter poly for those looking to venture away from nylon.

    Tension: 60# worked pretty well for me. I suppose I could try it higher to tame the power but I'd worry about arm health.

    Durability: I cut this out after 3 sets to try another setup. My guess is that it would have lasted another 2 or maybe 3 singles matches.

    Movement: Very little string movement at the 60# of tension.

    Color: I'm a fan of the metallic gray color for the string. No bleeding of ink on the balls.

    Conclusion: I regret this string will be towards the bottom of my reviews list. It is not for me but I can really see how this string would be great for a wide range of players. This is a unique (so far), quality offering. Good job Solinco and keep on innovating.
     
  48. mikeler

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    I hit with the Beast for a few games this morning and was not enjoying it. Then I switched to Iontec, then Scorpion, then back to Iontec and finally to the Exo Tour with Babolat Origin. It turns out then when my movement sucks, whatever I'm holding in my hand during the point does not matter. I'll give Beast another shot tomorrow.
     
  49. spinovic

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    I know this is a poly thread, but how did you like Origin? How does it compare to similar priced multis (Biphase, Xcel, NXT, etc)?

    Never mind. I forgot about the playtest thread.
     
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  50. mikeler

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    Check my multis thread too.
     

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